Consider the plight of the poor, horny Man Going His Own Way. He may have convinced himself that women are icky monsters out to highjack his sperm and steal his money. He may have convinced himself we live in a femi-fascist gynocracy out to destroy men and civilization generally. Yet his disobedient penis can’t stop thinking about sex with these evil, filthy women.
And so he turns to his fellow MGTOWers to ask for help: what can I do, my brethren, to stop popping so many boners? Ed1974, a newbie on MGTOWforums.com, puts it this way in a plaintive recent post:
[M]ore than almost anything I want to be woman-free and contentment to live a woman-free life. For more or less all of my adult life I’ve played in to society’s demands that I have to have a woman, and preferably a pretty woman, in my life. I’ve done a lot of Internet dating and every friggin time I get involved with a woman I regret it. Either I just want to get some ass and the woman wants a lot more than that and makes a mess out of my life when I leave, or I end up spending way more money than I ever wanted to spend just to have her grace my life with her presence, or something else that fucks up my life. The bottom line is I sincerely want to live a life without the desire to have a woman in my life.
So Ed is taking steps to quell his desire:
1. I downloaded a firewall blocking all dating sites.
2. I’m going to read as many books on misandry that I can.
3. I’m going to take myself out of situations where I can get in trouble, such as bars.
4. I’m going to fill free time that I would normally spend out with some woman with something productive.
I also want to remember the bad times where I’ve had women who I’ve tried to get out of my life end up stalking me for months on end. And to be perfectly honest, I want to remember the time I got the clap from some skank. I also want to remember that I should be thankful that I’m not a baby daddy and I’ve never had any false rape charges against me.
Alas, but poor pretty Eddie is afraid that this won’t be enough, and begs the assembled MGTOWers for “other steps I should take.”
Site admin Nacho Vidal suggests he go another way entirely:
My advice would be to scrap the ‘steps’ you’ve taken and take your wanking up a notch! Also, have you looked into hiring a whore or two once a month?
Others jump in to endorse the masturbation-and-prostitute strategy, and encourage him to cultivate his hatred of women by reading from the ample selection of stories on the site about evil, depraved, disgusting women. As fairi5fair puts it:
I go to college and still get the biochemical reactions that play into the mate-spawn-die script when I see a 20 year old with a candy apple ass and perky tits, but my growing understanding of women in general helps to make it less urgent and more negligible everyday.
A few others have more novel advice. Our friend womanhater suggests a trip to the mall:
Sit in the food court, and spend a good three hours there. Leisurely sip on some coffee, and simply watch.
See all the soulless men being dragged around by cupcake holding her bags. You’ll see the total absence of hope in the eyes of men in this trap. You’ll see his brain calculating the immense debt being run up, and yet he knows he’s fucked.
Pay attention to the stupid whores in training aged 15 or so, and simply listen the absolute shit running out of their mouth. Watch their behavior and internalize that every twat you see aged 25 was doing the exact same shit a decade ago.
Every time I start to feel my ghosting resolve start to slip, I go to the mall for a few hours. Clears my fucking head every time.
NewWorldMan suggests a sort of mind-over-boner strategy:
Sounds like BS, I know, but telling myself (actually saying the sentence in my head at the moment of attraction): “I control my dick, my dick doesn’t control me — actually works for me.
Frederick326 suggests an anatomy lesson:
Read up on vaginas. They’re fucking disgusting.
And fairi5fair also links to the (somewhat NSFW) video below. I’m not sure what exactly it’s supposed to accomplish other than to remind us that Japan leads the world in baffling entertainment product:
Crap… HTML tag fail. I’ll repost.
NWO: Here is your response to what I wrote.
“NWO: The statement I’ve made at the top of this page is a fact. Why am I, “a willfully ignorant anti-intellectual cretin?”
“Because when someone (anyone) points out the mistaken facts you believe in, you say, “nunh-unh!”, and repeat it as if that somehow will make reverse the falsity of it.’”
No, that isn’t. My response, the one to the thing you wrote was this comment
So you are lying about what my response was.
You claim my facts are mistaken. Are they? If they are than you do support the premise that articulate, multiple language and proper grammar equals a higher degree of intelligence. Your words are above.
And my words have nothing to do with how many languages one speaks.
You make logical errors, conflated facts, and said that things were being said (that grammar = intelligence) which weren’t being said.
1: Did MRAL say he “never did anything dumb,”?
Yes, he did.
2: Did he make a grammatical error?
Yes, he did. He failed to use the vocative comma.
3: Was that a dumb thing to do?
Yes, it was.
4: Therefore is the statement, “I never do anything dumb,” false?
Yes, yes, it is.
That is what was said. You chose to pretend it was something else. That’s the charitable view (for values of charity which accept that you chose to lie).
The uncaritable view is you are too stupid to see points 1-4.
Moreover, you can’t (really, you can’t) pretend that your previous excursions into “knowledge”, (such as the Cyrillic and Latin alphabets being the same, or your abuse of statistics, and simple arithmetic… see, “more women are raped while attending college than attend college) aren’t a factor in people thinking you to be a bit thick.
That you think women deserve to be raped, and that having a sex life is shameful… well those might have something to do with the sorts of reactions you get.
Your bleating that it’s not fair, well that’s hypocrisy, because you argue that women who “provoke men” by daring to wear clothes that arouse men “deserve” what they get.
But when you spout hatred, and lies, you think people should ignore it, and just look at the most recent thing you post. You refuse to give actual answers to the questions you pretend to respond to, refuse to admit that actual answers (as mine to you above, and this entire comment are) have been given, then go on about how unfair it is that you are asked to back your claims up with facts.
As if we only do that to you.
That, your pathetic dishonesty, in fact, word and deed, is why you disgust me. You don’t have, so far as can be seen, an honest bone in your body. The most grotesque of lies, and the most blatant of reversals of your position (see the flip-flop on the holocaust, when it suits your purpose) are as nothing to you; IF you think it will convince one person of the evils of women who disagree with you, of women who expect to be treated as people.
You are a worm, and no man
I don’t owe you an apology at all. Quite the reverse: when I wrote a polite, reasoned response to a comment that you made yesterday, your response was to ignore it completely*.
So what exactly do I have to apologize for?
(*I wasn’t the least bit offended by this, by the way: I didn’t think you’d be able to answer it adequately, so not answering it at all speaks volumes in itself)
@Holly Pervocracy
Tsk, tsk, Holly. Your’s was the first comment. Here it is.
“Stephen Hawking (cripes!) expresses his ideas with great clarity. He doesn’t speak, no, but he communicates excellently.
There’s a difference between not being able to say what you think, and not thinking much in the first place.
Since you seem to type just fine, I’m pretty sure you’re in the second category.”
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What would you call this fine piece if literature? An objective opinion? What is this but an attack? Is this worthy of someone claiming a far greater intelligence than I possess?
How deeply I’m wounded by your needless, vicious attack!
Holy shit, NWO, you could give my dead grandmother a run for her martydom money.
You really think you warrant an apology, and that it’s just the one comment here that earns you the scorn and derision of pretty much everyone here?
Think again.
NWO, that was not the first time I’d met you. That’s why I came off a tad attack-y.
I didn’t impugn your intelligence because of anything in that specific comment, but because you think gay people are vile murderer pedophiles and women should be sex slaves etcetera.
NWO: Personally, I think everyone here owes me the sincerest of apologies
I can’t give you one. I sincerely believe everything I said, and therefore any pretense of apology would be a lie.
I meant every word I said (and if you think my responding to the actual content of your post was “automatic” you have a strange view of both me, and logic, since it’s plain I read it, and dealt with the content.
Automatic would have been, “Oh, is NWO being clueless again?”, but I gave up on that sort of thing some time ago. These days it’s pretty much only when you pretend you are being abused for no reason that I bother to respond to your blather.
Which is why I have no patience with idiots like Broseidon. It’s like trying to discuss astrophysics with someone who failed high school algebra
HAHAHA that’s rich. In Cassandra’s world, building obvious straw men, spouting nonsense and retreating into third-grader insults when pressed equals “discussing astrophysics”? Lawlz. Go on, tell me more about how you’re right and I’m wrong because you say so.
Anyways, I see there have been about ten thousand new comments since I was last here (coughnolifecough) so I will just say, calm your eager meat jars everyone!
“How deeply I’m wounded by your needless, vicious attack!”
I commend your commitment on this trolling thing. Most people would have gotten bored by now.
NWO, you didn’t address my comment, which holds true whether you’ve ever posted here or not. Although I am mightily amused that you think you deserve some sort of apology for people treating you… frankly, much better than you’ve treated any of us.
Also to NWO: Why do you come here? Seriously. It’s like going to the Stormfront forum talking about how much you enjoy hip-hop and 50 Cent and complaining that you’re being attacked.
“Anyways, I see there have been about ten thousand new comments since I was last here (coughnolifecough) so I will just say, calm your eager meat jars everyone!”
C’mon, dude, you took the time to read ’em. 😛 It’s 4:00pm on a Sunday, what else are you gonna do? *folds laundry*
Broseidon: multi-task much? It’s not hard to do other things while mocking stupidity.
NWO! You haven’t apologised to the gays yet!
@Pecunium
“2: Did he make a grammatical error?
Yes, he did. He failed to use the vocative comma.
3: Was that a dumb thing to do?
Yes, it was.”
An error is dumb? A mistyped word or forgotten comma is dumb?
A missed comma is dumb, is it? I’ll reserve the right to excuse error’s and missed comma’s as dumb. Of course that’s just my dumb opinion.
Your seething, irrational anger and hatred comes thru quite clearly in the rest of your comment. All your false interpretations of anything I’ve said is proof positive of an adherance to an ideology above all else. Are you psycic as well? According to Holly I am.
@NWO: Slavey, slavey, slavey. You are forgetting that you can’t do math (like all the previous times you have tried). You are forgetting your attempt to claim all women are raped by purposeful misunderstanding of statistics. You specifically leave out time scales when attempting to discuss demographics. When discussing serial murderers, you forgot some of the biggest ones, and make no rhyme or reason as to why you have forgotten them. You pick and choose to respond only to things that in your convoluted logic you think you have something there while ignoring everything else that disagrees with your statements. This thread alone is full of such examples, be it Pecunium, Holly, myself, and many others.
These are not simply “vile attacks”. These are matters of fact of things you have done. You want objective, there it is right there. The fact that you purposely ignore them doesn’t lend you any credibility or validity in what you say. You want objectivity? Then follow actual tenants of objectivity:
1. A belief in facts (You have demonstrated many times non-belief in facts that do not support your faulty positions)
2. a distrust in values (You can’t hold a claim to objectivity when you hold only trust in your own values)
3. Committed to segregating values from facts. (You certainly do not do this. Values are the basis of your statements. See: Anything you’ve said about Jews, religion, murderers, statistics, and others. Some of these examples are but 14 hours ago)
You whine but fail to source anything that you say. Don’t get me wrong, there are problems with the ideal of objectivism (especially behind the idea of neutral information), but you do not demonstrate the basic values of it as such. You do not even hold the rhetorical skill to evoke such concerns. It seems your concept of objectivity only applies to yourself, and no one else.
But at the same time, you do not exist in a vacuum. You do not hold validity due to your previous actions. You can’t even admit that you were ever wrong. I have never seen you do as such, and though I am just one of the smaller voices here on Manboobz, you have been an existence here for quite some time. You do not hold rational discourse in your interests. You’ve never engaged in such to begin with.
You can be A or B. You don’t seem to be A, so I’m pretty sure you’re B.
Sounds logical to me! And the more inanity you fluently write, the more strongly the evidence supports the idea that you are B; you don’t struggle to write, you babble and it’s harder getting you to shut up long enough to read our responses than it is to coax a comment out of you.
@Joanna
“NWO! You haven’t apologised to the gays yet!”
For what? I proved quite clearly that gays are 15x as likely, percentage-wise of the population to be mass murderers. Also 15x as likely to be pedophiles. Why should I apoligise for their behavior. You should apologise for promoting such behavior.
Do have fun with your movement, I’m outta here.
Well, he proved it folks. The world is upside down, dogs and cats are living together in peace and harmony and apparently all of us are wrong.
NWO, you’ve proven jack shit, because you just claimed that without backing it up.
NWOslave, I’ll apologise to you when you apologise to all the women here for saying they should be slaves to men.
*sniff* Completely ignored….
Also, interesting definition of “proved”.
Having just been through that part of the thread, I can’t help but notice that Broseidon has not in any way responded to the content of the replies made to him, and instead pretends that “third grade insults” were the sole recourse to his arguments.
And I love Owly so much. When his arguments are replied to with facts, reasoning and demands for actual evidence, he ignores what is said and casts the replies as mere insults: when he is actually insulted, it’s all about exactly what people said and how they owe him an apology. My money is still on him being some kind of genius performance artist. Ten years from now there’s going to be a small exhibit called “logical fallacy” in a small gallery in St. Paul, Minnesota, consisting entirely of painted canvas depicting his comments.
I love you, trolls. Never stop what you do. I mean, stop, but you know.
The thing I did find interesting about Broseidon’s argument was his assertion that any male-on-female harassment would automatically be shut down by other men. The times when I’ve been verbally catcalled (and once, threatened) have been times when I’ve been walking to and from work or waiting at a bus stop–I don’t have male friends escort me (they have their own jobs to go to!) and I don’t have a live-in boyfriend. I’m hardly ever surrounded by the men that are, supposedly, supposed to protect me.
You also need to look up the definition of “proof”. Silly NWO.