Consider the plight of the poor, horny Man Going His Own Way. He may have convinced himself that women are icky monsters out to highjack his sperm and steal his money. He may have convinced himself we live in a femi-fascist gynocracy out to destroy men and civilization generally. Yet his disobedient penis can’t stop thinking about sex with these evil, filthy women.
And so he turns to his fellow MGTOWers to ask for help: what can I do, my brethren, to stop popping so many boners? Ed1974, a newbie on MGTOWforums.com, puts it this way in a plaintive recent post:
[M]ore than almost anything I want to be woman-free and contentment to live a woman-free life. For more or less all of my adult life I’ve played in to society’s demands that I have to have a woman, and preferably a pretty woman, in my life. I’ve done a lot of Internet dating and every friggin time I get involved with a woman I regret it. Either I just want to get some ass and the woman wants a lot more than that and makes a mess out of my life when I leave, or I end up spending way more money than I ever wanted to spend just to have her grace my life with her presence, or something else that fucks up my life. The bottom line is I sincerely want to live a life without the desire to have a woman in my life.
So Ed is taking steps to quell his desire:
1. I downloaded a firewall blocking all dating sites.
2. I’m going to read as many books on misandry that I can.
3. I’m going to take myself out of situations where I can get in trouble, such as bars.
4. I’m going to fill free time that I would normally spend out with some woman with something productive.
I also want to remember the bad times where I’ve had women who I’ve tried to get out of my life end up stalking me for months on end. And to be perfectly honest, I want to remember the time I got the clap from some skank. I also want to remember that I should be thankful that I’m not a baby daddy and I’ve never had any false rape charges against me.
Alas, but poor pretty Eddie is afraid that this won’t be enough, and begs the assembled MGTOWers for “other steps I should take.”
Site admin Nacho Vidal suggests he go another way entirely:
My advice would be to scrap the ‘steps’ you’ve taken and take your wanking up a notch! Also, have you looked into hiring a whore or two once a month?
Others jump in to endorse the masturbation-and-prostitute strategy, and encourage him to cultivate his hatred of women by reading from the ample selection of stories on the site about evil, depraved, disgusting women. As fairi5fair puts it:
I go to college and still get the biochemical reactions that play into the mate-spawn-die script when I see a 20 year old with a candy apple ass and perky tits, but my growing understanding of women in general helps to make it less urgent and more negligible everyday.
A few others have more novel advice. Our friend womanhater suggests a trip to the mall:
Sit in the food court, and spend a good three hours there. Leisurely sip on some coffee, and simply watch.
See all the soulless men being dragged around by cupcake holding her bags. You’ll see the total absence of hope in the eyes of men in this trap. You’ll see his brain calculating the immense debt being run up, and yet he knows he’s fucked.
Pay attention to the stupid whores in training aged 15 or so, and simply listen the absolute shit running out of their mouth. Watch their behavior and internalize that every twat you see aged 25 was doing the exact same shit a decade ago.
Every time I start to feel my ghosting resolve start to slip, I go to the mall for a few hours. Clears my fucking head every time.
NewWorldMan suggests a sort of mind-over-boner strategy:
Sounds like BS, I know, but telling myself (actually saying the sentence in my head at the moment of attraction): “I control my dick, my dick doesn’t control me — actually works for me.
Frederick326 suggests an anatomy lesson:
Read up on vaginas. They’re fucking disgusting.
And fairi5fair also links to the (somewhat NSFW) video below. I’m not sure what exactly it’s supposed to accomplish other than to remind us that Japan leads the world in baffling entertainment product:
Ugh.
Why did that work? Oh well.
Sorry, barring a dating site, it’s irrelevant, because in flesh and blood encounters those things will go away.
I’d also add, that in a dating site, the are relevant, because one chooses the image on uses,and one (if one has half a brain) includes textual content, not just a picture.
talacaris: Humans did not evolve around cameras, so our “creepy!” intuitions don’t account for the existence of badly lit photos.
@Jenn93
“NWO, you pick and choose what you want to respond to, when others take the time to explain to you why your reasoning is often wrong.”
Pick and choose? I’ve answered as many as I can. There are at least a half a dozen people here attacking me.
No one here has explained how my reasoning is wrong. If as you say I’m wrong, than a better articulated person is more intelligent than a person who stutters or isn’t as articulate.
A person with superior grammar skills is more intelligent than someone of poor grammar skills.
A person who speaks 2 or more languages is more intelligent than a person who speaks only one.
Is this what you believe?
I’ve been called an asshole, I disgust Pecunium, I’m pitied, I’m obnoxious, I need to get down off that cross; the list is endless. Somehow if I say it’s because of hatred everyone jumps on the, “What? Do you have psycic powers,” bandwagon. Yet everyone here has psycic powers, proudly proclaiming my unhappiness, I’m as asshole, I’m pitiable. No one mocks any of the gang for their psycic powers.
Tell me? What was it I said in my statement at the top of the page that deserved the unified wrath of the feminist manbooz gang?
NWO, you really are dumb if you think the only reason we don’t like you was that one comment.
It’s sort of hard to forget the whole “gay people are pedophile serial killers” thing from 12 whole hours ago, you know? We do factor that sort of thing into how we respond to people.
Also you never did name an example of yourself acquiring knowledge from any outside source, ever. That’s why I think you confuse “smart” with “psychic”–because you think that if someone is smart enough they don’t need knowledge to be right.
NWOslave, someone can be smart but not able to express that intelligence very well. You, however, are not one of those people.
You are, to put it in as nice a term as is warranted by this situation, a “grade-a maroon”.
“No one here has explained how my reasoning is wrong.”
Yes they have. On several occasions, even. This is why I say you pick and choose what you want to respond to.
Oddly enough, I don’t think NWO is stupid, at least not in the sense of having a low IQ. He is many, many other things, but I don’t think stupid is one of those. I think the deficits are primarily in EQ rather than IQ.
NWO: Go and read my response… stop pretending it doesn’t exist.
That, as much as anything else, is why you disgust me. You lie, to the faces of the people about whom you are lying. You do this while whining about how unfair it is that the things which aren’t happening, are happening.
You, right now, are lying about what people are saying. You, not we, said that Grammar = intelligence.
You, not we, introduced the question of intelligence and the speaking of multiple languages.
You, not we, are lying about what other people have, and have not said.
You, by your silence, are tacitly admitting, that you were responded to. Yet you pretend that nothing other than, “you have bad grammar and can’t spell,” has been said.
You are, now, and often, a liar. You lie about what has been said to you, and you lie about what you said. But it’s all there, in print, on the net, for any who have eyes to see.
Nice salad platter, Spearhafoc!
Here. I found a creepy salad to go with it.
Just in case you missed it, the first time around (or in the multiple references to it) I will repeat my previous comment
So there, in black and white, a response to you that actually addressed the mistakes you made. I confess, I didn’t specify the logical errors and conflations, because past experience has taught me (as this exchange reminds me) that being detailed is, with you, a waste of time.
You won’t admit that anyone has ever done anything but say you are a meanie and a poopyhead; even when they run your nose in it like a puppy who has soiled the rug.
This site will let me post irrelevant pictures of salad but it won’t link to pictures of Vincent D’Onofrio.
Hatred!
He was obviously too creepy Spearhafoc.
Why do feminists hate Vincent D’Onofrio so much? He’s really tall! And rich (probably)! The collective energy from so many potential gina tingles must have disrupted the link…
NWO, the idea here is that you insist upon holding to a position even when you’ve been objectively proven wrong. It makes you look like a damn idiot, far moreso than actually just being wrong makes you look. I mean, there’s nothing shameful about making a mistake… everyone does. The shame, and the accusations of stupidity, come when you refuse to admit it.
@Pecunium
“NWO: Go and read my response… stop pretending it doesn’t exist.”
“That, as much as anything else, is why you disgust me. You lie, to the faces of the people about whom you are lying. You do this while whining about how unfair it is that the things which aren’t happening, are happening.”
Here is your response to what I wrote.
“NWO: The statement I’ve made at the top of this page is a fact. Why am I, “a willfully ignorant anti-intellectual cretin?”
“Because when someone (anyone) points out the mistaken facts you believe in, you say, “nunh-unh!”, and repeat it as if that somehow will make reverse the falsity of it.'”
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You claim my facts are mistaken. Are they? If they are than you do support the premise that articulate, multiple language and proper grammar equals a higher degree of intelligence. Your words are above.
You further say
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“As an example I offer the following into evidence:
If that’s the case. Please explain to me why I’m being attacked for the statement at the top of the page. The statement I’ve made is 100% correct. There can only be one reason for such a relentless attack. Hatred.”
Here are the first 5 comments in reference to my comment by different people. Althoug Holly clearly leads the list of hatred remarks.
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Holly Pervocracy
“Stephen Hawking (cripes!) expresses his ideas with great clarity. He doesn’t speak, no, but he communicates excellently.
There’s a difference between not being able to say what you think, and not thinking much in the first place.
Since you seem to type just fine, I’m pretty sure you’re in the second category.”
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Graham
“Do you consider yourself intelligent, NWO?”
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Spearhafoc
“Do you consider yourself intelligent, NWO?
Of course he does. He’s the only one of us who doesn’t get regular “flouride” injections.”
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Pecunium
“NWO: I dunno? What I wrote above seemed quite intelligent. Yet your automatic response was…..
Seemed, perhaps. You made logical errors, conflated several things, and included a number of unfounded (and unsuported assertions), all while missing the point (that claiming one is, “never dumb”, while making simple errors in the chosen medium of communication is, prima facie a counter-example which disproves the initial assertion).
So, it may have seemed intelligent, but it wasn’t.”
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Flib
“NWO: Do you remember when you tried to do math? Remember how you forgot how time scales into all population demographics? Or how about how you have continually failed statistics? Never mind that you fail to source much of your knowledge and it is often just incorrect or horrid misreadings.”
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You’ll forgive me if I find any of your opinions about any subject as less than objective. In every case of every comment, you can read the rest on the previous page, was my point of view ever given anything but derision, hatred and mockery. Is this the finest example of feminists equality I hear is preeched?
Maybe this works:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Vincent_D%27Onofrio_by_David_Shankbone.jpg
@ Spearhafoc
HTML = HyperText Magic Language
Personally, I think everyone here owes me the sincerest of apologies. Starting with the person who vehemently attacked me for simply existing. Whoever could that be, Holly?
NWO, there were parts of those comments other than “NWO is a stinkyhead because he just is.”
Are you too lazy to read them, too stupid to understand them, or too dishonest to acknowledge them?
Your current argument seems to be “I’m smart but I just never act like it,” which while technically possible I guess, isn’t very impressive. Mixed in with a whole lot of “you hate me for no reason,” which is either willfully ignorant or stupid considering all the reasons we have to dislike you, which we have clearly and repeatedly explained.
Also, are you willing to provide evidence of your ever acquiring knowledge from an outside source and accepting it? I’m not talking opinion stuff here. I’m talking like looking up which serial killers killed women.
I didn’t attack you for simply existing. If I did that, I’d attack everyone who simply exists, and I don’t do that.
But, um, I apologize for once again getting drawn into talking to you like you would listen. That was very stupid of me. I should have either ignored you or just mocked you, because attempting to explain things to you shows a clear failure of pattern recognition on my part.
In that case, NWO, you should apologise to the gay community for assuming the majority are criminals =)
Shorter NWO: “You hate me for no reason just because I said gay people are vile murderer pedophiles and 15-year-olds who wear clothing are sluts who are asking for it and all women should be sex slaves!”
But right, it’s the grammar we have a problem with.
NWO: Here is your response to what I wrote.
“NWO: The statement I’ve made at the top of this page is a fact. Why am I, “a willfully ignorant anti-intellectual cretin?”
“Because when someone (anyone) points out the mistaken facts you believe in, you say, “nunh-unh!”, and repeat it as if that somehow will make reverse the falsity of it.’”
No, that isn’t. My response, the one to the thing you wrote was this comment
So you are lying about what my response was.
You claim my facts are mistaken. Are they? If they are than you do support the premise that articulate, multiple language and proper grammar equals a higher degree of intelligence. Your words are above.
And my words have nothing to do with how many languages one speaks.
You make logical errors, conflated facts, and said that things were being said (that grammar = intelligence) which weren’t being said.
1: Did MRAL say he “never did anything dumb,”?
Yes, he did.
2: Did he make a grammatical error?
Yes, he did. He failed to use the vocative comma.
3: Was that a dumb thing to do?
Yes, it was.
4: Therefore is the statement, “I never do anything dumb,” false?
Yes, yes, it is.
That is what was said. You chose to pretend it was something else. That’s the charitable view (for values of charity which accept that you chose to lie).
The unhcaritable view is you are too stupid to see points 1-4.
Moreover, you can’t (really, you can’t) pretend that your previous excursions into “knowledge”, (such as the Cyrillic and Latin alphabets being the same, or your abuse of statistics, and simple arithmetic… see, “more women are raped while attending college than attend college) aren’t a factor in people thinking you to be a bit thick.
That you think women deserve to be raped, and that having a sex life is shameful… well those might have something to do with the sorts of reactions you get.
Your bleating that it’s not fair, well that’s hypocrisy, because you argue that women who “provoke men” by daring to wear clothes that arouse men “deserve” what they get.
But when you spout hatred, and lies, you think people should ignore it, and just look at the most recent thing you post. You refuse to give actual answers to the questions you pretend to respond to, refuse to admit that actual answers (as mine to you above, and this entire comment are) have been given, then go on about how unfair it is that you are asked to back your claims up with facts.
As if we only do that to you.
That, your pathetic dishonesty, in fact, word and deed, is why you disgust me. You don’t have, so far as can be seen, an honest bone in your body. The most grotesque of lies, and the most blatant of reversals of your position (see the flip-flop on the holocaust, when it suits your purpose) are as nothing to you; IF you think it will convince one person of the evils of women who disagree with you, of women who expect to be treated as people.
You are a worm, and no man