Consider the plight of the poor, horny Man Going His Own Way. He may have convinced himself that women are icky monsters out to highjack his sperm and steal his money. He may have convinced himself we live in a femi-fascist gynocracy out to destroy men and civilization generally. Yet his disobedient penis can’t stop thinking about sex with these evil, filthy women.
And so he turns to his fellow MGTOWers to ask for help: what can I do, my brethren, to stop popping so many boners? Ed1974, a newbie on MGTOWforums.com, puts it this way in a plaintive recent post:
[M]ore than almost anything I want to be woman-free and contentment to live a woman-free life. For more or less all of my adult life I’ve played in to society’s demands that I have to have a woman, and preferably a pretty woman, in my life. I’ve done a lot of Internet dating and every friggin time I get involved with a woman I regret it. Either I just want to get some ass and the woman wants a lot more than that and makes a mess out of my life when I leave, or I end up spending way more money than I ever wanted to spend just to have her grace my life with her presence, or something else that fucks up my life. The bottom line is I sincerely want to live a life without the desire to have a woman in my life.
So Ed is taking steps to quell his desire:
1. I downloaded a firewall blocking all dating sites.
2. I’m going to read as many books on misandry that I can.
3. I’m going to take myself out of situations where I can get in trouble, such as bars.
4. I’m going to fill free time that I would normally spend out with some woman with something productive.
I also want to remember the bad times where I’ve had women who I’ve tried to get out of my life end up stalking me for months on end. And to be perfectly honest, I want to remember the time I got the clap from some skank. I also want to remember that I should be thankful that I’m not a baby daddy and I’ve never had any false rape charges against me.
Alas, but poor pretty Eddie is afraid that this won’t be enough, and begs the assembled MGTOWers for “other steps I should take.”
Site admin Nacho Vidal suggests he go another way entirely:
My advice would be to scrap the ‘steps’ you’ve taken and take your wanking up a notch! Also, have you looked into hiring a whore or two once a month?
Others jump in to endorse the masturbation-and-prostitute strategy, and encourage him to cultivate his hatred of women by reading from the ample selection of stories on the site about evil, depraved, disgusting women. As fairi5fair puts it:
I go to college and still get the biochemical reactions that play into the mate-spawn-die script when I see a 20 year old with a candy apple ass and perky tits, but my growing understanding of women in general helps to make it less urgent and more negligible everyday.
A few others have more novel advice. Our friend womanhater suggests a trip to the mall:
Sit in the food court, and spend a good three hours there. Leisurely sip on some coffee, and simply watch.
See all the soulless men being dragged around by cupcake holding her bags. You’ll see the total absence of hope in the eyes of men in this trap. You’ll see his brain calculating the immense debt being run up, and yet he knows he’s fucked.
Pay attention to the stupid whores in training aged 15 or so, and simply listen the absolute shit running out of their mouth. Watch their behavior and internalize that every twat you see aged 25 was doing the exact same shit a decade ago.
Every time I start to feel my ghosting resolve start to slip, I go to the mall for a few hours. Clears my fucking head every time.
NewWorldMan suggests a sort of mind-over-boner strategy:
Sounds like BS, I know, but telling myself (actually saying the sentence in my head at the moment of attraction): “I control my dick, my dick doesn’t control me — actually works for me.
Frederick326 suggests an anatomy lesson:
Read up on vaginas. They’re fucking disgusting.
And fairi5fair also links to the (somewhat NSFW) video below. I’m not sure what exactly it’s supposed to accomplish other than to remind us that Japan leads the world in baffling entertainment product:
“The only possible excuse for the relentless attack upon me is indoctrinated hatred.”
And when you say everyone but straight, white males are evil, that is hatred. You really need to look up the definition of hatred.
Sure it would. Take this, for example, when someone was shown how their position on a subject was incorrect:
“Well I see the discussion, or lack there of, has turned into the standard feminist response. Insults, denial of facts, idiocy and mockery. Which means it’s time to say, das vi danya.”
So complicated… Different meanings of the same word… Doubleplusungood!
So you don’t actually have anything against small insects, larvae &c
NWO, you pick and choose what you want to respond to, when others take the time to explain to you why your reasoning is often wrong.
I don’t personally get why so many people are afraid of being wrong. There’s nothing horrible about saying “I didn’t know that” or “I never thought of that.” The worst that can come of being wrong is learning, and then being right the next time.
talacaris: If creepiness is all about behaviour, why do people talk about creepy looks on a photo (eg. due to bad light conditions…)? Then people have also talked about creepy music…
Creepiness isn’t all about behavior. It’s about how one feels. It’s subjective. One person’s creep is another persons swell friend.
Take a look at two pictures of the same guy.
First, look at this. Creepy, no?
And now this. Not so creepy.
So, while creepiness can be conveyed through looks, it’s not about someone’s facial features or anything else inborn, it’s how they carry themselves.
NWO: You can pity me, you can hate me, you can call me an asshole. The simple fact remains, everyone of you is attacking me for stating a position that anyone with even the slightest intelligence would agree with.
No, and you insulting everyone by saying they have no intelligence if they disagree with isn’t going to change the facts of your errors, as elucidated above.
@Pecunium
“That, my dear, is textbook stupidity: repeating the same course of action with the expectation of different results.”
And you have joined in on the attack as well.
Do you believe proper grammar = intelligence?
Do you believe superior speech ability = intelligence?
Do you believe speaking multiple languages = intelligence?
Many here have already answered that question, NWO.
*those questions. ‘Scuse me.
And, for what it’s worth, I don’t hate you, nor pity you. You are an asshole. Anyone who doubts the last has only to look at the ways in which your hatred of women (or at least those women who dare to disagree with the way you think the world ought to work) are manifest in your words.
There is a level at which you disgust me, but that has more to do with your persistent willfulness in refusing to admit to any other reason for people to treat you like the asshat you continually strive to be.
If creepiness is all about behaviour, why do people talk about creepy looks on a photo (eg. due to bad light conditions…)? Then people have also talked about creepy music…
If ugliness is all about looks, why do people talk about being in an ugly mood, or describe fingernails on a chalkboard as an ugly sound?
Oh, right. It’s because words are sometimes used in multiple contexts to describe related but distinct concepts. Duh.
Ugh. Second one didn’t link.
Here’s another one.
I love how Arks comes in here and claims women are actually the ones that are judgmental about men based on looks on an article about men convincing themselves women are terrible based on their “gross” looks . Then he merrily goes on to judge women’s personalities based on their appearance but it’s apparently ok for him to do so because… Descartes??? And because of a statistic that basically proves that women’s social status is dependent on… their looks???
ARKS, CAN YOU READ???
Damn it!
Just…Google Vincent D’Onofrio, I guess.
NWO: And you have joined in on the attack as well.
Do you believe proper grammar = intelligence?
Do you believe superior speech ability = intelligence?
Do you believe speaking multiple languages = intelligence?
No.
No.
Not necessarily. As a marker it tends to track to age. The later one tries to gain a second language seems to map to aptitude, diligence, and some native intelligence. If one is exposed to multiple languages when one is 1-3 years old, it doesn’t seem to (though there seem to be secondary benefits to reasoning/problem solving which come from having more sets of rules/ways of seeing the world).
There you go. The straight answers you always say you want.
Now it’s your turn.
1: Where did I say grammar was a measure of intelligence?
2: Where did I say anything about your grammar?
3: Are you willing to admit people have offered actual critiques of your ideas and logic, not your spelling and grammar?
kladle, didn’t you hear? Men can get away with anything! It’s ok to treat a woman like a sex toy, but when a woman treats a man like a cash machine it’s wrong. It’s ok for men to kill women (cos she deserved it or sumten) but when women kill men it’s all about the man hate and feminist government conspiracies. Men are immune to everything! They’re even allowed to be racist and homophobic!
1. Not exactly, but if you have no reading or writing impediments and someone has explained grammar to you, failure to use that explanation is not intelligent.
2. Physical speech impediments have no bearing on intelligence. Being able to speak correctly but just deciding not to bother means you’re probably not so smart.
3. No, but no one’s claimed that.
There’s one missing, though:
4. Do you believe that espousing ridiculous, unsubstantiated conspiracy theories and demanding sex slaves = intelligence?
Right, Arks, the only reason I found the “I find you extremely desirable” guy creepy was because he was short.*
It had nothing to do with my own desire to be left the fuck alone, or the fact that I was not looking to hook up with anyone (being in a relationship and all), or, you know, the fact that his cold open to the conversation was “I find you extremely desirable”, which is not where you’d start if you were *actually* interested in having sex with someone, or the fact that he made the rounds of the the cafe and pulled the same line on every other woman there. No, clearly I was just oppressing him because if he’d looked like Michael Fassbender I would have swooned all over him instead of yelling at him and calling him a creep.
[Insert blinking Sarcasm thingy here]
*I can’t really remember what the guy looked like or how tall he was. Being short myself any guy taller than Hercule Poirot looks at least average to me.
NWO, you happen to be unintelligent AND have poor grammar, speech ability and linguistic skill. Both. Simultaneously.
Pecunium: that link doesn’t seem to work either.
What I mean is that a creepy look can come from film quality, shadows, or just a bad reaction to the flash of the camera, and many other things.
“I find you extremely desirable”
That’s what I say to delicious food =D
I think I figured out NWO’s gig.
Step 1. Post things that will make people hate you. (i.e., gay people are serial killer pedophiles, women should all be slaves.)
Step 2. Develop martyr complex due to being so hated for daring to speak truth to power. (Willfully ignore all reactions other than “we hate you,” and when people call you “willfully ignorant” on account of all that willful ignoring, take it as more evidence of hatred.)
Step 3. Profit!!!
Pecunium: that link doesn’t seem to work either.
You mean me?
I can’t seem to get anything to link properly.
I’m going to try again here, but if it doesn’t work, just Google “Vincent D’Onofrio”.
talacaris: Pecunium: that link doesn’t seem to work either.
What I mean is that a creepy look can come from film quality, shadows, or just a bad reaction to the flash of the camera, and many other things.
What link?
And yes, those things, in a still image (save the “film quality”, which is a nebulous thing, and means, in context, nothing), but the flip side of that is, barring a dating site, those things will not exist in a flesh and blood encounter.