Consider the plight of the poor, horny Man Going His Own Way. He may have convinced himself that women are icky monsters out to highjack his sperm and steal his money. He may have convinced himself we live in a femi-fascist gynocracy out to destroy men and civilization generally. Yet his disobedient penis can’t stop thinking about sex with these evil, filthy women.
And so he turns to his fellow MGTOWers to ask for help: what can I do, my brethren, to stop popping so many boners? Ed1974, a newbie on MGTOWforums.com, puts it this way in a plaintive recent post:
[M]ore than almost anything I want to be woman-free and contentment to live a woman-free life. For more or less all of my adult life I’ve played in to society’s demands that I have to have a woman, and preferably a pretty woman, in my life. I’ve done a lot of Internet dating and every friggin time I get involved with a woman I regret it. Either I just want to get some ass and the woman wants a lot more than that and makes a mess out of my life when I leave, or I end up spending way more money than I ever wanted to spend just to have her grace my life with her presence, or something else that fucks up my life. The bottom line is I sincerely want to live a life without the desire to have a woman in my life.
So Ed is taking steps to quell his desire:
1. I downloaded a firewall blocking all dating sites.
2. I’m going to read as many books on misandry that I can.
3. I’m going to take myself out of situations where I can get in trouble, such as bars.
4. I’m going to fill free time that I would normally spend out with some woman with something productive.
I also want to remember the bad times where I’ve had women who I’ve tried to get out of my life end up stalking me for months on end. And to be perfectly honest, I want to remember the time I got the clap from some skank. I also want to remember that I should be thankful that I’m not a baby daddy and I’ve never had any false rape charges against me.
Alas, but poor pretty Eddie is afraid that this won’t be enough, and begs the assembled MGTOWers for “other steps I should take.”
Site admin Nacho Vidal suggests he go another way entirely:
My advice would be to scrap the ‘steps’ you’ve taken and take your wanking up a notch! Also, have you looked into hiring a whore or two once a month?
Others jump in to endorse the masturbation-and-prostitute strategy, and encourage him to cultivate his hatred of women by reading from the ample selection of stories on the site about evil, depraved, disgusting women. As fairi5fair puts it:
I go to college and still get the biochemical reactions that play into the mate-spawn-die script when I see a 20 year old with a candy apple ass and perky tits, but my growing understanding of women in general helps to make it less urgent and more negligible everyday.
A few others have more novel advice. Our friend womanhater suggests a trip to the mall:
Sit in the food court, and spend a good three hours there. Leisurely sip on some coffee, and simply watch.
See all the soulless men being dragged around by cupcake holding her bags. You’ll see the total absence of hope in the eyes of men in this trap. You’ll see his brain calculating the immense debt being run up, and yet he knows he’s fucked.
Pay attention to the stupid whores in training aged 15 or so, and simply listen the absolute shit running out of their mouth. Watch their behavior and internalize that every twat you see aged 25 was doing the exact same shit a decade ago.
Every time I start to feel my ghosting resolve start to slip, I go to the mall for a few hours. Clears my fucking head every time.
NewWorldMan suggests a sort of mind-over-boner strategy:
Sounds like BS, I know, but telling myself (actually saying the sentence in my head at the moment of attraction): “I control my dick, my dick doesn’t control me — actually works for me.
Frederick326 suggests an anatomy lesson:
Read up on vaginas. They’re fucking disgusting.
And fairi5fair also links to the (somewhat NSFW) video below. I’m not sure what exactly it’s supposed to accomplish other than to remind us that Japan leads the world in baffling entertainment product:
The disdain for “gina tingles” always makes me sad though, because isn’t that what you want? At least 45% of the manosphere is there because they aren’t getting all the gina tingles they deserve!
(35% = bad divorce. 20% = belief in feminist oppression as part of a conspiracy-theory package deal with the fake moon landing and the Illuminati and the water fluoridation.)
I’m never sure how much of the disgust with female sexuality and sexual anatomy is sour grapes, and how much is just ordinary women-hatred. But either way, it goes hilariously badly with claiming chicks’ only problem with you is your height.
Holly, you don’t get it. There’s a disdain for “‘gina tingles” because it rightly implies a sort of ultra exclusive elitist club, and one that actively puts down those who aren’t in it. Only maybe 10-20% of men cause ‘gina tingles in 85% of women, and those that don’t are treated like second-class citizens by these entitled princesses, and remember, this isn’t just alpha women, but betas who are spitting on their relative equals. It’s indicative of arrogance and they can go fuck themselves.
Our Internet provider failed to provide internet last night, darn it, and so I could not keep posting, woes! OTOH, had a great time watching The Closer and Psych reruns.
One comment I must note: about the “u r indocrinating all the youf” bullshit that NWO spews.
Ever since the 1980s, there’s been public rhetoric in the US about the evil commiefailedhippiequeeratheistpaganliberals taking over the universities and corrupting the youf. If George Will could make us swallow hemlock, he so woulda!
A lot of this discourse comes from people who have never taught–as I explain to those well meaning hemock adherents, it takes me so long in a 15 week term to get students to hand in their papers the way I want them (in a f2f class, in manilla folders, not plastic; typed, DS, stapled, not paperclipped, paginated) that I never have time to move on to the turning them gayatheistcommieevil. Just. no. time.
But if I ever get that folder thing solved, by golly, I’ll be taking over the world that semester!
“Arks, have you considered the possibility thaat both men and women occasionally suffer from the halo effect? See “why men love bitches,” et cetera.”
This is a topic I’ve addressed already on the forums. The halo effect is different for women than it is for men because women have a kind of Cartesian “ugly mind ugly body” dynamic that does not exist to the same extent in males. Do you think it’s a coincidence that feminists are almost always ugly harpies?
http://manboobz.forummotion.com/t84-mra-statistics-are-from-uranus
I don’t get the phrase at all though. Doesn’t everybody want to date/fuck people they’re actually attracted to? Don’t you? Why’s it so wrong for women to want the same things you do?
That’s a rhetorical question, of course. I realise these people are fucked in the head when it comes to thinking women deserve to have any agency of their own.
SPEAR, THE PROBLEM IS THAT WOMEN ARE ENTITLED AND ARROGANT ABOUT THEIR CHOICES AND HAVE A HUGE OVERINFLATED EGO AND ARE MEAN TO MEN WHO THEY DEEM AS UNWORTHY TO BE IN THEIR PRESENCE.
Is that clear enough for you?
Arks, the only stats you have in that thread suggest that women who think they’re ugly have more sex partners (presumably out of a need for validation). I, on the other hand, have read studies of the halo effect that suggest there are no statistically significant gender differences. Do you have a peer-reviewed study that suggests otherwise?
@Spearhafoc
“Protip: When talking about how smart you are in every situation, avoid making grammatical errors in the exact same sentence. The vocative comma is your friend, MRAL.”
There is no correlation between proper grammar and intelligence, nor is there any correlation between knowlege and intelligence. Due to easy access of knowlege in the computer age many people consider themselves intelligent.
Newton, Bell, Franklin, Edison; The inventers, philosophers of old were far more intelligent than anyone here. They did everything with intelligence, imagination and no wiki-knowlege. Yet by feminist standards, if they’d misspelled one word or misplaced one coma they’d be unintelligent fools.
Linguistic skill is another false indicator of intelligence. Being able to speak fluently, or even express ones idea with clarity also has no correlation with raw intelligence. Steve Hawkings comes to mind. Many people with speech impediments easily dwarf the intelligence of the well spoken.
Another serious error for evaluating intelligence is languages spoken. Beaing able to fluently speak two or more languages has no bearing on intelligence. A person who can barely speak one language correctly can quite easily by far more intelligent than a person who is stupid in two or three languages.
Perhaps you should re-evaluate what constitutes intelligence.
Arks, this is the Internet, we have no idea what you look like but we think you are creepy from reading your post/your opinion. Eager meat jar?
Isn’t it funny how that works?
Stephen Hawking (cripes!) expresses his ideas with great clarity. He doesn’t speak, no, but he communicates excellently.
There’s a difference between not being able to say what you think, and not thinking much in the first place.
Since you seem to type just fine, I’m pretty sure you’re in the second category.
I had several guys speak to me last night that i wasn’t particularly interested in, i just really didn’t feel like talking to people, it’s possible if someone i found particularly attractive talked to me I may have made exceptions. However these guys were nice and not creepy at all and I had short pleasant conversation with them regardless, I have no problem with them what so ever i just wasn’t feeling super social. So in MRA world am I a huge bitch for this? for not feeling like exchanging numbers or engaging in long conversations with these men even though I possibly would have made exceptions if I found something super attractive about them? I don’t get it. Where is the line?
Do you consider yourself intelligent, NWO?
It’s so… so NWO-like, the assertion that Internet misogynists are really just secret Stephen Hawkings unable to communicate their true brilliance.
It’s also an interesting reversal of the “if you make a grammar error, your argument is invalid” fallacy–“if you point out a grammar error, all other objections you have are invalid.”
Of course he does. He’s the only one of us who doesn’t get regular “flouride” injections.
No, this is NWO in a nutshell.
I mean, there’s sort of a point here, that knowledge isn’t the same thing as ability. But refusing to acquire and use knowledge when it’s available… really doesn’t speak well of your ability.
@Holly Pervocracy
I dunno? What I wrote above seemed quite intelligent. Yet your automatic response was…..
“There’s a difference between not being able to say what you think, and not thinking much in the first place.”
“Since you seem to type just fine, I’m pretty sure you’re in the second category.”
I’m stupid by default because of feminist hatred. Do tell! How is what I’ve written above deserving of your scorn?
Um, no.
ozymandias commented to me:
Heroicman: It’s kind of amazing how… benign you make MGTOW seem. Almost like allies!.Too bad it’s not actualy the case.
Actually, Ozy I just meant that the MGTOW movement is not monolithic. Some MGTOW include women. Some are more separatist. That is not a good thing. However some MGTOW includes women. Can MGTOW and Feminists and women be allies as you mentioned Ozy? Depends on the individual situation.
On its own, it would only be a little silly, what with your getting Stephen Hawking’s name wrong and claiming that because we criticize MRAs’ grammar we must have no real arguments against them.
But coming from a person who believes (in this thread alone) that same-sex sex is the only thing that makes a person gay and that you can’t be gay without it, that gayness can be taught, and that gay people are 15 times more likely to be serial killers or pedophiles… well, you see why I’m scornful.
(Hey… since gayness is taught, do they also teach serial-killing at the same time? It must be subtle. I don’t remember that class.)
You’re free to provide data for any of those claims, but “I’m smart so I don’t need data” is… well, it’s like claiming you’re so smart you know what’s inside a sealed box. You’re not psychic, therefore you need data.
Arks: Do you think it’s a coincidence that feminists are almost always ugly harpies
Objection: Assumes facts not in evidence.
The almost is clever, it does let you admit to indivual feminists being attractive, but still aver that all the rest (countless hordes) are all ugly, and ill-tempered.
The lurkers also, I am sure, support you in e-mail.
Heroicman, are you Samuel?
Whether you’re Samuel or not, have you read the OP?
@Holly Pervocracy
If we both acquire the same knowlege yet reach different conclusions, why am I stupid while you retain the default position of intelligence?
That’s the thing though, NWOslave. You haven’t acquired any knowledge. You’re a willfully ignorant anti-intellectual cretin.
NWO: I dunno? What I wrote above seemed quite intelligent. Yet your automatic response was…..
Seemed, perhaps. You made logical errors, conflated several things, and included a number of unfounded (and unsuported assertions), all while missing the point (that claiming one is, “never dumb”, while making simple errors in the chosen medium of communication is, prima facie a counter-example which disproves the initial assertion).
So, it may have seemed intelligent, but it wasn’t.
Because you don’t acquire knowledge. Mostly you ignore it, and when you deign to respond you say you don’t accept it.
I can’t get you to name the last time you read an article or book or watched a documentary or heard a fact and believed it. Therefore I can’t get you to name an instance of yourself acquiring knowledge.