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Be thankful you live in a world that also contains things like this.

Though Thanksgiving is over, I’m still thinking about all the things I’m thankful for. I’m thankful that so many fine people have made this blog a kind of online home. I’m thankful for the steady stream of trolls that keep us all so busy.  I’m thankful for friends, and kitties, and Netflix streaming, and the delicious Thanksgiving buffet I gorged on yesterday. I’m thankful I’m nowhere near a mall today. I could go on and on.

But instead I’ll just point out that I’m extra, especially, really really super-duper thankful I’m not this guy, as happily “single [and] free” as he claims to be. Or one of the 42 bitter assholes on The Spearhead who upvoted this comment of his:

I was going to limit my usage of women to that of a nice meat hole, but I concluded even that is too risky. Now I try to avoid western women altogether. Decades of child support can ruin a man’s life. STDs can ruin a man’s life. A False rape claim can ruin a man’s life. Also, women have disproportionate support from the courts and law enforcement thanks to traitorous manginas. Nearly every man I know who is living with a wife or gf is miserable. Nearly every man I know who does not have a wife or gf has a higher quality of life-or at least appears to be happier. From my observations, men’s quality of life usually decreases after long stints in relationships.

I will stay single, stay free, and live alone.

I am pretty sure that the “meat holes” of the world are even more happy about this last bit than you are.

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katz
9 years ago

I would have thought DKM would support lobotomyvision. Lobotomize those girls and they’ll just gaze adoringly, giggle, and never disagree with you!

David K. Meller
David K. Meller
9 years ago

Ithiliana–November26,2011 @8:40am

It is already happening, albeiit at an embryonic level! Do you really think that I am the only man in the entire world who is critical enough of feminists and your deranged “gender equality” to start looking for alternatives like dolls or plush fluffies? Do you think that the many millions, if not billions of $$$ assigned to robotics research, AI, and auto-heuristic and self-correcting software won’t have ENORMOUS commercial possibilities in these areas when it passes a certain point. There are already robotic “pets”, which cuddle, which “sleep”, which “recognise” different people, and “respond” to commands making millions of $$$ per year for their manufacturers and sellers. I don’t know when a “sexbot” will be availble, but given the number of men who are sick and tired of the likes of you feminists, and the shortage of acceptable women available (prostitutes, STDs, police entrapment and blackmail, and so on…) who are NOT the answer, eventually some cybernetic alternative, possibly tied into an already existing video game (“Capture a floozie” version 1.1, Girlcapture v. 2.0, and perhaps for those men who have a high level of frustration and hostility against women, along with poorly developed social skills, I suppose “Slut rape 1.3” or something of that sort, revolting as it is, will make some enterprising gamester, AI entrepreneurs a fortune in the next two or three decades. If enough men want it, believe me, it will be developed! Far larger industries–in terms of the economies of their times– became affordable and profitable when they became necessary! Believe me, if more women continue to be feminists, and continue to reject traditional womanhood, YOU FEMINISTS AND MODERN WOMEN will all be as obsolete as horses and buggies were once the automobile became commercially affordable. You can still keep your beloved memories of “strong women”, maenads, amazons, and other pests, but feminism will have NO future!

pecunium
9 years ago

Let’s see: Live your life as you see fit. Find a partner who values you, for yourself (as you want to be), or you can supress your actual self, repress your self-expression and hope to find a partner who will think that kindness is a better way to gain your submission than beatings.

I can’t imagine why a rational person wouldn’t think that a sacrifice.

You, however, don’t..

pecunium
9 years ago

Damn… the MRA Double Period.

Curses.

Molly Ren
9 years ago

DKM wrote, “…given the number of men who are sick and tired of the likes of you feminists, and the shortage of acceptable women available (prostitutes, STDs, police entrapment and blackmail, and so on…) who are NOT the answer…”

I’m squinting trying to parse this. Like, a woman who is a prostitute or has an STD is not acceptable to Meller, but where do blackmail and entrapment come in? Or is it unacceptable that you can’t have the police help you to entrap women, based on his next paragraph? 😛

zhinxy
9 years ago

s, along with the malignant influence of cinema, books and magazines, and of course, lobotomyvision acting on her 24/7 without respite.

Yes, my little girl watches television constantly.

As for the dangerous books, Should I NOT let her read the Rothbard, or the Friedman, Or the Long (uh-oh, feminist!), or the Tucker (Uh oh, proto feminist AND voluntary socialist!) or is that acceptable? Even in my own libertarian lady house, do I have to be super careful here?

David K. Meller
David K. Meller
9 years ago

Katz–November 26, 2011, @1:26pm–

Not when it is polluted by feminism, for heaven’s sakes! Every program is devoted to women’s empowerment, women’s liberation, women’s issues, women’s future, and so on. It has lobotomized women, but in the wrong damned direction! They stare at Oprah, Jerry Springer, Barbara Walters, Katie Couric, or Maury Povich and drool feminism!

If I determined the programming, it would be VERY different…

zhinxy
9 years ago

So, despite my daughter’s talents in and enthusiasm for math and science (I had how bright she is confirmed to me by many MALE teachers, fear you not!), I should… What?

Molly Ren
9 years ago

DKM, what kind of TV programming do you think would be best for women?

ithiliana
9 years ago

Zhnxy: DKM is wrong about the position of women in physics (like everything else)!

Though, of course as is true with all disciplines, white women have benefitted more, but there has been PROGRESS and probably will be more later on if your daughter still wants to pursue that field!

http://luxsci.net/zhenya/WomenInPhysics/US_2IUPAP_FINAL-NEW.pdf

Looking back over the past half century, women have made extraordinary progress in terms of their participation in
physics in the United States. In the last decade alone, the percentage of women earning a Ph.D. in the United States
has gone from 11.3% in 1994 to 13.0% in 2001 and a record high of 18.0% in 2003.1 In 2003, women also accounted
for fully 21% of the newly enrolling physics graduate students in the U.S., indicating that the numbers receiving
Ph.D.s may continue to increase. However, some interesting trends underlie these data. For example, the percentage
of U.S. women who received Ph.D.s in 2003 still hovered around the 13.0% mark. Yet, what seems to be a recent
dramatic increase of women physicists was driven, in part, by the large participation of foreign women in Ph.D.
programs in the U.S. It is also true that the actual number of Ph.D.s awarded to women between 1994 and 2001
decreased, but this was offset by an even larger decrease in the number of such degrees awarded to men. The numbers
of women receiving Ph.D.s increased in both 2002 and 2003. Finally, while women’s participation in physics has
been steadily increasing, it still lags behind the increases seen in other physical sciences, with the exception of
engineering, which shows a trend similar to physics.

U.S. women of non-European descent are particularly underrepresented in physics. These women of color (WOC)
face particular challenges of invisibility and alienation in U.S. physics. For example, between 1995 and 2001, of
approximately 3800 physics bachelor degrees awarded annually, African-American and Hispanic women were granted
an average of only 1.5% and 0.6% each year, respectively. At the Ph.D. level, between 1997 and 2003, of
approximately 1100 degrees awarded each year, African-American and Hispanic women received an average of 0.5%
degrees annually. In 2001, no Ph.D.s in physics were granted to Native Americans or Native Alaskans.1 Not
surprisingly, representation of WOC also suffers in academia. This fact also applies to Asian-American women, who
are generally better represented at the bachelor’s and Ph.D. levels in physics. According to a 2002 survey conducted
by Donna J. Nelson, in the “top 50” U.S. physics departments, only 23 Asian, 8 Hispanic/Latina or Chicana, and no
African-American, Native-American, or Native-Alaskan women were reported as faculty members.3 Clearly, in the
specific context of physics, there is an interaction between race/ethnicity and gender that works to exclude WOC.
Further interesting trends for U.S. women physicists in academia emerge in the AIP study.1 In an examination of
the “pipeline” in physics, the report notes that women disproportionately leave physics between completion of high
school and receiving an undergraduate degree. Less than one-fourth of physics bachelor’s degrees are awarded to
women while they make up nearly half of high school physics students. Despite their high participation in high school
physics they are a smaller percentage of the group of students that takes the Advanced Placement (AP) physics exam.1
Clearly, university and college physics departments need to pay closer attention to fostering a welcoming environment
and to improving undergraduate curricula and instruction in order to retain more young women at this critical point in
students’ education. Fortunately, the gender gap is diminished once the students move on to graduate level, where
retention rates for men and women are similar. Some of the most encouraging news in the study is the percentage of
women pursuing academic careers in 2002, where their representation at various stages of the academic ladder—5% of
Full Professors, 11% of Associate Professors, and 16% of Assistant Professors—is commensurate with past degree
production. However, among the top 50 NSF-ranked science and engineering departments, physics had one of the
three lowest percentages of female assistant professors in elite departments: 11.2%, compared with the national
average of 16%.3 For women in astronomy the situation is better with 26% of Ph.D.s awarded to women and nearly
double the percentage of women faculty in astronomy at each academic level, as compared with Ph.D. recipients in
prior years (10%, 23% and 23% respectively, 2003). 1 In 2001, women comprised 13% of the physical and related
sciences Ph.D.s working in business or industry and approximately 11% of the physical and related sciences Ph.D.s
working in the federal government. 2

Given the undeniable progress that women in physics have made in the U.S., there are still challenges that remain
to be addressed. Among the group of employed science and engineering doctorate holders in 2001 women are less
likely to be married (67.2% of women vs. 83.2% of men), although they are also twice as likely to be divorced (11.8%
vs. 5.8%). Women are approximately twice as likely to have a spouse who is employed full time (84.4% vs. 45.9%)
and the majority of these spouses have technical careers requiring at least a bachelor’s degree (50.2% vs. 31.1%).1
This means that the dual technical career or “two-body problem” has a disproportionate effect on women pursuing
careers in physics. Even though the statistics presented discuss marriage in particular it is reasonable to generalize
this issue to women physicists trying to balance a personal relationship with the desire to have a successful career. A
number of strategies have been proposed to address this issue including split positions, spousal hiring programs,
alternative academic positions, and long-distance commuting.4 Although many societal pressures may underlie these
issues, including the still-prevalent view of women as the primary caregivers in a family (caring for children, aging
parents, a spouse or partner) and the unfortunately persistent myth that women have less intrinsic aptitude for science
and math (“hard” sciences), the fact is that technical careers have a different impact on the lives of women who pursue
them relative to their male colleagues.

Women of color in the U.S. face additional challenges in studying and working in the predominantly white male
environment of physics. As undergraduates, they often lack opportunities to do research and are unlikely to encounter
WOC role models. Further, they frequently sense that they are not considered competent or intelligent because their
physical appearance does not comply with prevalent images of the “standard” physicist. 5 At the graduate level,
African-American, Hispanic, and Native-American women (among others) often do not persist in science because they
receive no encouragement, which can effectively “produce the same result as active discouragement.” 3 Among those
who do receive Ph.D.s, their alienating graduate school experiences often lead them to seek employment outside of
academia. 7 The AIP study states, “Minority women especially represent a great, untapped resource.” 1 To draw on
this resource, much greater attention and effort are needed to recruit, retain, and serve minority women in physics.
It is now generally recognizedthat the future health of physics in the U.S. depends on ensuring that all capable and
interested students are invited, encouraged, and helped to see the broad range of careers they can pursue with a physics
degree. It is especially urgent to cultivate the talent and ideas of women, minorities, and others who are traditionally
underrepresented and underserved in physics.

ozymandias42
9 years ago

I found a copy of Fascinating Womanhood in a thrift store once. The first chapter suggested that if your husband beats you it’s because you aren’t sweet and spunky enough. Why am I not surprised that DKM likes it?

ithiliana
9 years ago

DKM: CItation needed.

I gave a link to a pdf for my claim that you are wrong wrong fucking wrong in your claims about women and physics.

Names, pictures, links, or it’s just a product of your deranged imagination and wish fulfillment.

zhinxy
9 years ago

Can she read Rose Wilder Lane? Voltarine DeCleyre?

(She’s not getting any Rand. I’m not even gonna tell her she exists until she’s not a teenager anymore. No teenagers gettin’ their hands on Rand in MY house.)

pecunium
9 years ago

Meller: If I determined the programming, it would be VERY different…

No doubt, but the Gor novels don’t have that much difference between them, it would get a bit repetitive.

pecunium
9 years ago

Ozy: Yeah… he says love and kindness are the way to program one’s woman to be pleasantly submissive, but he likes Gor, and Fascinating Womanhood, and says that women who get beaten are very careful in making sure it happens by “pushing buttons” until the man, understandably snaps and lets her have what she wants (A good thrashing).

So I think, in his heart of hearts, he isn’t all that convinced that love and kindness will make women want to be slaves, and they will need to be kept in line with a touch of the lash.

Molly Ren
9 years ago

What is “Fascinating Womanhood”? Do I wanna know?

David K. Meller
David K. Meller
9 years ago

Molly Ren-November 26, 2011 @ 1:29pm–

Prostitution is still against the law in many, if not most localities around the USA and Canada, to say nothing of many other locations around the world, and its illegality allows–and encoursages–unscrupulous policemen, Private detectives. photographers, etc.– to blackmail
customes, often with the law’s connivance. If it was legal, and even acceptable in certain quarters, this could be done safely and discreetly, as I make clear in other posts.

Nevertheless, the dubious legal status of prostitutes (and sometimes even strippers or party girls) in many areas make this a high risk activity for many men!

No need to get abusive! “Unisex” is a word most applicable to feminists who wish to diminish gender-specific behavior and mentality differences. There is no such word, however, as “unigender”–thank heavens–so that unisex will have to do for the time being!

It could be worse, however, I could start accusing feminists like you of “unisexism”, i.e. an ideology based upon the alleged superiority of gender uniformity rather than separate sex roles. Would you, and your sisterhood from hell, prefer that?

KathleenB
KathleenB
9 years ago

Meller: You are, once again, missing the fundamental point here – Not everyone likes or wants the same things you like or want!! You like traditionally feminine, submissive women. There are tons of such women out there – admittedly, mostly in religious groups like Mormon fundamentalists and Quiverfull communities, but such women do exist. Won’t you please devote your time to finding you perfect furry sub and quit whingeing on about how horrible modern women are on a feminist blog?

And hey, this avowed feminist just put a homemade pizza in the oven. Has you head exploded yet?

Lauralot
Lauralot
9 years ago

They sure give DKM a lot of access to the Internet at whatever hospital he’s locked up in.

Seriously, there’s no possible way anyone this deluded and bigoted can possibly function in actual society, is there? Why, there are women out there! Wearing pants, no less.

ithiliana
9 years ago

DKM: Silly boy, you practice unisexism and a unigender model, wanting all women to conform to a very narrow fluffy standard of behavior and sexual attraction.

We’re all about expanding the rainbow so that there can be women expressing gender hundreds of ways, including masculine women, and ditto sexualities — HUNDREDS.

Not one boring on “leave it to beaver”model you want.

SO you could accuse us, but it would be as laughable as all your other accusations and claims (and also wrong wrong fucking wrong).

ithiliana
9 years ago

@Lauralot: I’m wearing denim shorts, a PIRATES t-shirt, and am about to put on my denim duster with roses painted on the front placket to walk the TWO GOLDEN DOGGIES I brought to work with me (am grading in between walkies and poking trolls). Good times, good times.

pecunium
9 years ago

KathleenB: No, we, it seems, are missing the point, REAL Women and REAL Men (which we aren’t, no matter what it might appear to look at our bodies) all want to live in the Mellerian Gender Utopia.

Intelligent people also all agree with him on Politics.

Since we are at variance, Q.E.D. we are not REAL People, ant lack intelligence. If we were either of those things, we’d agree with him.

Question Begging, anyone can do it, and everything is easier when a Scotsman does it.

Pyena
Pyena
9 years ago

Pants?! Oh, say it isn’t so! Next think you know they’ll be cutting their hair short and voting!

David K. Meller
David K. Meller
9 years ago

Their website is fascinatingwomanhood.net

You probably don’t WANT to know, Molly Ren, but you may well NEED to know what they are saying. Look at feminism as the disease, and fascinating womanhood, along with the Surrendered wife; (website being http://www.Surrenderedwife.com) as the cure.

And sister, are you badly infected!!

KathleenB
KathleenB
9 years ago

pecunium: Then I guess that almost every single person I know, male or female, is not an actual person. How sad that one discontented man has the right to determine if I and my friends are real people…

Molly Ren
9 years ago

*looks*

The thing is, though, both those resources are about being married, and being a better wife. What if I already *have* partners I’m happy with? >.>

KathleenB
KathleenB
9 years ago

Meller: Oh, right. You and every single man who agrees with you on everything ever (all four of them) are gonna rise up and put us ladies in our place! And then we’ll have to be all sweet and submissive, or else we’re gonna get lovingly beaten and tossed into brothels, yes? See me tremble.

Molly Ren
9 years ago

Also, once again, how old IS Meller? “‘Fascinating Womanhood’ is a book by Helen Andelin written in 1963.”

hellkell
hellkell
9 years ago

Keep railing against feminism and every woman who doesn’t do exactly what you want Meller, it really doesn’t matter. How does it feel to be obsolete?

zhinxy
9 years ago

So, the fact that you aren’t responding means that my little one CAN read libertarian books? Or can’t? And my daughter’s talents should be… suppressed? I should be arranging a marriage for her? What to do, DKM, what to do?

ithiliana: Zhnxy: DKM is wrong about the position of women in physics (like everything else)!

Though, of course as is true with all disciplines, white women have benefitted more, but there has been PROGRESS and probably will be more later on if your daughter still wants to pursue that field!

Ah huzzah! (She’s been switching which science she REALLY, truly wants the MOST roughly yearly since she was about five or so and realized she couldn’t just be A SCIENTIST and had to specialize at least a little, (NO, NO, CHEMISTRY! WAIT, MAYBE ASTRONOMY! OOOH, BOTANY!) so I’m not sure it’ll end up physics, but will be surprised if she ends up an art major. 😉 )

So all the books on science she reads, she doesn’t understand, or really like, or shouldn’t have read in the first place? Help me out, Meller, I’m about to buy her Lessons For The Young Economist and Time Will Run Back, for heaven’s sakes! How much instruction can her young mind bear?

katz
9 years ago

Sooo…lobotomizing women would be fine if it made them act the way you want?

firebee
9 years ago

“And hey, this avowed feminist just put a homemade pizza in the oven. Has you head exploded yet?”

I’m an avowed feminist sometimes to the degree of being an asshole about it, gender-variant, and queer. I am more or less visibly this, what with the short haircut and the men’s jeans and the Hawaiian shirt and the Birkenstocks.

I am presently watching football and knitting socks.

David K. Meller
David K. Meller
9 years ago

Thank you for your citations and notes, Ithiliana–

You have helped show why the sciences, especially physics (and perhaps, chemistry–both organic and inorganic, and pure mathematics) has been slowly but steadily deteriorating since the last third of the XX Century, and is continuing apace today, with ever larger proportion of resources, both commercial and academic, being devoted to women infesting the physical sciences!

Just compare Physics, to say nothing of related fields in the USA between 1910-1960 with American contributions–even men’s–between 1961 and 2010!

To have a ever-larger portion of an ever-shrinking pie is a sure symptom of impending disaster.

A word to the wise…

katz
9 years ago

Hey Meller, what do you think of Christian Domestic Discipline?

zhinxy
9 years ago

Also, once again, how old IS Meller? “‘Fascinating Womanhood’ is a book by Helen Andelin written in 1963.”

He has to be at least an older Boomer. He’s obsessed with the culture wars of the sixties and seventies, and his libertarianism, while it’s still “mainstreamish,” is very nineteen eighties. And his fringe libertarianism is that of the conspiracist and white pride set, who are also often obsessed with those same culture wars. I think Meller left for the fringes at about the late eighties or early nineties.

Molly Ren
9 years ago

Fascinating Woman is… fascinating… but probably not in the way that Meller intended:

“Women of all races, religions and cultures came into my classes, all with the same desperate need for instruction on how to understand their husband’s nature, needs and feelings, how to be the Ideal Woman From a Man’s Point of View and in so doing win their husband’s heart felt love and devotion.”

I do actually feel bad for these women if they’re having these kinds of problems with their partners, and I remember struggling to understand what other people wanted too. But I don’t feel like I need to shell out $35.00 for an online class because I’ve learned how to communicate honestly with my partners through free, godless, poly-friendly online resources. 😛

zhinxy
9 years ago

Just compare Physics, to say nothing of related fields in the USA between 1910-1960 with American contributions–even men’s–between 1961 and 2010!

You’re championing big government new left military industrial OUR FRIEND THE ATOM science? You sure you wanna do that?

…you sure?

David K. Meller
David K. Meller
9 years ago

how old IS Molly Ren? After all, the signature books of feminuttery, the Second Sex by Simone de Bouvoir (I think that is how you spell it) and Feminine Mystique by Betty Friedan were written in 1959 and 1963 respectively. I suppose I could go back to “Vindication of the Rights of Women, written by Mary Wollstonecraft in, I believe, 1790, but that would be going to far, wouldn’t it?

zhinxy
9 years ago

So, what am I supposed to do, wise and great fellow libertarian meller, about the education of my female youngling? You’re really dodging here! I was deep into Mainspring of Human Progress and Anthem and Economics in One Lesson at her age… (And the communist manifesto, I was shopping around, okay!)

KathleenB
KathleenB
9 years ago

Aaaand Meller has once again been reduced to schoolyard retorts.

captainbathrobe
9 years ago

Yeah, DKM, with his dolls and fluffies, has surpassed NWO as the most entertainingly out of touch and all-around weird troll on Manboobz. Kudos, Mr. Mellar, kudos!

zhinxy
9 years ago

So, you can’t even answer whether girls should get to read the important works of a political philosophy that you claim you and I share? Really?

firebee
9 years ago

Hmm. This sock knitting has caused me to wonder:

We’ve already established that the ideal woman does not have a vagina, because the presence of same suggests “something sick”. Does the ideal woman have feet?

Molly Ren
9 years ago

Meller, I actually haven’t read any of those books. I got all of my gender instruction from the Internet over the last four years.

This is also interesting, from the “Fascinating Womanhood” website:

“Let me tell you about this Masterpiece Mom, my daughter, Ginny. She has 15 children. She teaches them home school each weekday morning. They all attend church weekly, She reads them stories and books. The family keeps the house clean and helps with the shopping. The mother is an excellent cook. Every Monday evening the family meets together for a “Family Home Evening.” Here the father teaches them spiritual values and the mother and children participate. She helps the poor and the needy and blesses people with her presence. When Ginny comes into a room people feel spiritually fed, nourished. All of the older children have attended college. In addition, she keeps her weight trim and dresses with taste and propriety.”

Like, some of this stuff is SO BASIC. Even atheists try to keep their houses clean and do homeschooling. The poly family I am currently a part of loves children and wants to adopt, and we all try to make time to spend with each other.

Also, what’s wrong with doing ANY of this stuff while fat? Or wearing jeans and a t-shirt?

katz
9 years ago

Just say no to homeschooling while fat.

Molly Ren
9 years ago

I guess the point I’m trying to make is that Meller’s like “YOU HATE KIDS AND CLEANING AND HOMESCHOOLING AND FAMILY, DON’T YOU?” and I’m like, “No, really, we want a lot of the same things, I just want to do it while fat and working outside the home.”

zhinxy
9 years ago

in the old days of fluffyness, no woman ever had children and raised them while plump, katz. We can do it today!

Holly Pervocracy
9 years ago

I dunno, Molly. Ever since I started questioning the omnipotence and omnibenevolence of God, I’ve had this strange compulsion to throw my dirty underwear right on the floor and just leave it there for weeks. Darndest thing.

And when my boyfriend and I make decisions cooperatively, I completely forget how to shop or cook. Due to my insolence I have been cursed to order take-out Chinese every meal.

zhinxy
9 years ago

I guess the point I’m trying to make is that Meller’s like “YOU HATE KIDS AND CLEANING AND HOMESCHOOLING AND FAMILY, DON’T YOU?” and I’m like, “No, really, we want a lot of the same things, I just want to do it while fat and working outside the home.”

But that would make you HUMAN!

(And seriously, the number of cranks who act like there are NO non-right-wing or non-christian or non-not-them homeschoolers! Everybody else just must LOVE the evil non-right-wing non-christian or non-not-them schools! )

ithiliana
9 years ago

More proof of WOMANPOWER: Only a little over 10% in a field, and we RUIN it.

For proof: look at English which has been giving 60% of its Ph.D.s to women for some decades now.

DKM’s theory: the roon of the culture!

My theory: nobody gives a flying fuck about cultural power of the text any more!

Which planet are YOU on?