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Hole lotta hate

Be thankful you live in a world that also contains things like this.

Though Thanksgiving is over, I’m still thinking about all the things I’m thankful for. I’m thankful that so many fine people have made this blog a kind of online home. I’m thankful for the steady stream of trolls that keep us all so busy.  I’m thankful for friends, and kitties, and Netflix streaming, and the delicious Thanksgiving buffet I gorged on yesterday. I’m thankful I’m nowhere near a mall today. I could go on and on.

But instead I’ll just point out that I’m extra, especially, really really super-duper thankful I’m not this guy, as happily “single [and] free” as he claims to be. Or one of the 42 bitter assholes on The Spearhead who upvoted this comment of his:

I was going to limit my usage of women to that of a nice meat hole, but I concluded even that is too risky. Now I try to avoid western women altogether. Decades of child support can ruin a man’s life. STDs can ruin a man’s life. A False rape claim can ruin a man’s life. Also, women have disproportionate support from the courts and law enforcement thanks to traitorous manginas. Nearly every man I know who is living with a wife or gf is miserable. Nearly every man I know who does not have a wife or gf has a higher quality of life-or at least appears to be happier. From my observations, men’s quality of life usually decreases after long stints in relationships.

I will stay single, stay free, and live alone.

I am pretty sure that the “meat holes” of the world are even more happy about this last bit than you are.

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Lauralot
Lauralot
9 years ago

Check it out, everyone! I just discovered anti-feminist Bingo:

http://hoydenabouttown.com/20080218.1460/antifeminist-bingo-2/

zhinxy
9 years ago

Cassandrasays – Awwwww. I’ve taken in and handraised two abandoned kittens, and one of them especially is starting to look very much like daddy was a Maine Coon.

I was planning to adopt them out, but I guess I should get to being a feminist cat lady, shouldn’t I?

(p.s. I don’t know if you saw in the other thread, but I’ve been writing up a response to some objections you raised to my posts here, and if you like I can email it to you, put it on the forums, or post it in the appropriate thread?)

CassandraSays
CassandraSays
9 years ago

Aw Maine Coon kittens. They’re like the cat equivalent of Fizgig from The Dark Crystal, so fluffy.

About the libertarian issue, no offence meant, but I’m just not all that interested in talking about libertarianism at any length. Unrepentant socialist over here – I’m both too raised in the Third World and too British to have any interest in liberarianism.

zhinxy
9 years ago

Oh, that’s fine then, I just wanted you to know I wasn’t ignoring you and I respect the issues you raised. 🙂 No offense taken. I return to being a loon and you can ignore me in peace, eh? Though I note that I actually do consider myself a socialist 😉

CassandraSays
CassandraSays
9 years ago

I think we can just agree to disagree at this point.

See, trolls, it can be done if you aren’t determined to be a complete asshole! Brandon in particular, please take note.

CassandraSays
CassandraSays
9 years ago

Um, anyone in NYC want a cat? Because look!

http://www.petfinder.com/petdetail/21110344

zhinxy
9 years ago

Oh those EYES!

We can indeed! Sadly I think Brandon only saw the word Brandon and the rest was gibberish!

http://www.petfinder.com/petdetail/20160143

This fellow isn’t as super-cute, but he just looks so mopey! That’s worth a lot!

CassandraSays
CassandraSays
9 years ago

Aw.

It’s amusing to speculate how Brandon’s mind works. Is he like Bloody Mary, and calling his name summons him? What’s it like to be that selfish? Is it kind of like being a toddler?

hellkell
hellkell
9 years ago

The maine coon kitties are so cute!

Lauralot, I think everyone of our trolls has had bingo. The only square missing is “have fun with your 50 cats!” But I guess that could be the free space.

zhinxy
9 years ago

What’s it like to be that selfish? Is it kind of like being a toddler?

It MUST be, but without all the sense of wonder and discovery that accompanies it, I imagine.

http://i222.photobucket.com/albums/dd151/zhinxy/th_ben.jpg?t=1319181450

little shot of my fuzzy boy. He’s increasing in his fluffyness.

I DON’T HAVE FIFTY OF THEM! I’m not the only one in this house! They’re family pets!

Moewicus
Moewicus
9 years ago

I like how David K. Meller was able to get a bunch of people to a) ask people if they are cute and fluffy and b) talk about their animal rescue activities. I repeat, David K. Meller did this. Concerns about this place ever being a feminist echo chamber are in my mind conclusively put to rest.

@Moewicus: You’re in Dallas?

Depending on traffic and Metroplex location, I’m only about 1.5-2 hours away.

Hey, any other Manboobzers in the DFW area?????

I live in the vicinity of UT Dallas.

I think I’ve seen another manboobzer mention living in Texas, but at the other end of the state!

CassandraSays
CassandraSays
9 years ago
CassandraSays
CassandraSays
9 years ago

DAY, not say. WTF, self?

katz
9 years ago

Jordan says “You’re very cute and fluffy.”

Motley says nothing, she just lies on the couch and purrs.

CassandraSays
CassandraSays
9 years ago

I was picturing something more like Metropolis myself.

Aloren
9 years ago

Mo that might be me, I live in the Houston area.

SaruGoku that was am excellent post.

Aloren
9 years ago

Also in context Meller’s posts make me want to change my current picture… O_O

CassandraSays
CassandraSays
9 years ago

If he starts trying to pet you, run.

SaruGoku
SaruGoku
9 years ago

Aloren@2.18:

Why, thank you! I really did feel the need to draw attention to the kind of arrogance that demands that an independent human being should be prepared to change her whole personality and jettison important bits of it just to please Mr Meller. It’s just too idiotic to be taken seriously!

Wetherby
Wetherby
9 years ago

NWOSlave:

No civilisation survives by hatred of half the population. This why a patriarchal household is the only successful model for the advancement of a happy, thriving society. The patriarchal household consists of a husband, wife and children. The man is the head of the household, he ensures the safety and welfare of his wife and children. The wife knows this and supports him for a healthier, better life for all of them. The clear facts of history show this time and time again.

Personally, I think that the running of individual households is a matter for the individuals concerned, and that a genuinely egalitarian model is far more likely to lead to consistent harmony and therefore less likely to lead to divorce and similar family rupture. Neither my wife nor I are the “head” of our household – our kids look up to both of us as equal authority figures.

Decisions are generally taken by the most competent person (which in many cases is obvious: I tend to handle all TV/video/electrical matters, while she’s the queen of the soft furnishings – through choice rather than stereotype), and if we have equal competence in a particular area, then we discuss it like the adults we are and reach a decision based on whoever has constructed the most logical argument.

Clearly, we’re doing it wrong, but I’m baffled as to where our mistakes might be, as it seems to be working pretty well. But we’re obviously just deluded.

The matriarchal ghetto promoted by feminism which we now live in and is becoming the dominant culture is the opposite. Man is seperate from the family, although he pays both directly thru State enforced violence and indirectly, thru State imposed taxation.

Yes, but I’m not separate from the family. In fact, since I became the primary childcarer, I see more of it than I ever have done before. But it seems to me that my actual real-life model has no place in your absolutist world where households are either rigidly patriarchal or the man is absent altogether.

kladle
kladle
9 years ago

I am actually quite soft and fluffy… but not in any way DKM would like me to be. It’s because I don’t shave! Have your dolls ponder that one, Meller!

Steph
9 years ago

“There is another thing, which may be of interest to you modern women–it is mostly little girls today, who are the main audience for such little lady lovelies! These little girls are growing up with different notions of femininity than feminist old bitches had for the past four or five decades or so!”

Yeah, this new trend of little girls playing with dolls totally threw us feminists for a loop. Nothing like that happened in the good old days! If only we could travel back in time to 2007 and prevent the invention of Barbie!

blitzgal
9 years ago

Um, anyone in NYC want a cat? Because look!

That makes me miss Maxwell Smart, my Maine Coon. He was killed by the tainted pet food a few years back.

zhinxy
9 years ago

My daughter has a lot of my dolls, which can’t possibly be lady like enough…

I have my grandmother’s dolls… My moms…

Wait, I have some victorian bookends that have been passed down, but they aren’t technically dolls, but it’s ladies in frilly….

It didn’t work! All the dollies didn’t WOORRRK!

zhinxy
9 years ago

Also, that commercial was for Lady Lovelylocks, which are 80’s toys I did indeed have as a child.

THEY REALLY DIDN’T WORK!

Ami Angelwings
9 years ago

Meller can you tell us what time period is the ideal one for you and when you think the world ended? o_O

Ami Angelwings
9 years ago

Also Meller, are you a vampire?

It would explain a lot…

zhinxy
9 years ago

And why DOES my little girl love pink, dolls, and dresses and want to be a physicist?

Summer
Summer
9 years ago

Girls, guys, I have a question for you: why are you still bothering with DKM?

Come on, the other trolls show at least some variation in their behaviour. Slave, for example, shows in his comments some emotional involvement with the issue being discussed. He also sets counterexamples to manboobz examples. They may be hateful, and biased, but at least he gives some ground to start debating.

DKM, in the other hand, just offers the premise that half of the human population should behave like lobotomized kitten. He does not give a single argument for it, beyond “I like my women like that”, and he never changes his mind, no matter how many times his idea of a perfect world is proven wrong.

The issue that he wants to raise, the idea that women are something lesser than “regular people” (males) has been superseded for a long time. However, he just keeps repeating his tedious mantra. He just wants to belittle women and to derail the debate.

He is stupid. He is a bore. He is a waste of time. Let’s find other trolls, please.

ithiliana
9 years ago

@hellkell: We have “Lake” Earl Ray Hubbard about 45 minutes away, though I admit Austin and a lake named after a woman would be better. But, alas, a river challenge is a river challenge.

Anyone for a river dance?

DKM: You do realize that all those cute’n’fluffy moves that kittens do are practice for hunting and fighting when they grow up, right? Right?

Again, re the good old days: Given that the cultural trope of women running mad and ripping men to bits (MAENEAD!) has been around a while, given that the complaints about women acting all unladylike and NOTfluffy have been explored in classical, European, and English (language) works of art for millennia (during which time the system was controlled mostly by mmen, right? Most MRA’s only think the Feminasty control came about in 20th century)m it seems to me that this tradition is proof NOT of women being terrible (which you all keep using it for, when you’re not waxing nostalgic about the wonderous past), but of MEN complaining about WOMEN refusing to easily/’naturally’/universally follow the Man Rulez.

So there was never a good old days; and you all (trollz) are just gong to have to suck on that. There’s not any past Golden Age, and odds are, looking at historical patterns, there ain’t gonna be any Golden Age of Fembots in the future either. For one thing, what country has economic and other resources to put behind even if most men wanted it (which, clearly, they don’t.)

hellkell
hellkell
9 years ago

Ithilliana: Lake Earl Ray Hubbard? Only in TX, I swear. Some of the names here slay me.

Naira
Naira
9 years ago

@blitzgal:

That makes me miss Maxwell Smart, my Maine Coon. He was killed by the tainted pet food a few years back.

HUGS! I remember that issue making the news and just crying a little. Losing pets to a natural death is hard enough (my family’s Lab passed at the age of 16), but from someone else’s mistake? Bleh.

Seraph
Seraph
9 years ago

My maine coon mix is living with his grandma these days (my ex and had very busy schedules and he was lonely for much of the day – now that he has other cats around and a human to pay attention to him all the time he’s much happier), but Maine coons are my favorite. So loving and friendly – they’re like a lab with retractable claws (the size isn’t even all that different). I understand they’re supposed to be really smart, too, but the one I know doesn’t show any signs of it.

Seraph
Seraph
9 years ago

my ex and *I* had very busy schedules.

fatcat
fatcat
9 years ago

I had a cat until recently (points to name).I do sometimes wish I could spend my life like hers- spend most of my time sleeping in a box and beating up other cats who encroached on my territory.

firebee
9 years ago

“I am actually quite soft and fluffy… but not in any way DKM would like me to be. It’s because I don’t shave! Have your dolls ponder that one, Meller!”

Ha, I’m soft and fluffy because I have fine hair (of the sort that volumizing shampoo, established earlier as the sign of the femipocalypse, is used for) and I wear it short (#5 guard, with the top slightly longer). There’s a certain vague resemblance to a dandelion.

Herp Derp
Herp Derp
9 years ago

David K. Meller:

I’d like your opinion on a situation. You claim that with the nuclear family comes happiness and harmony and all that fun stuff. So let’s take a look at how my family has turned out, and I want to know where you think things went wrong.

We start a little ways back. My grandfather was in the air force in WWII. He brought in the money, and so my grandmother spent all her time looking after the kids and doing all the household chores, and feeding my grandfather when he got home from his hard day’s work. The weekend was my grandfather’s time off; on saturdays he would read the newspaper and go and play cricket. On sundays he would have lunch with his friends and play golf. Maybe once in a blue moon he would play with his kids. My grandmother didn’t complain. She was “submissive”, she never said “fuck you, do some goddamn housework” or threw in the towel. She never considered divorce because she didn’t want to screw up her kids’ lives. And as their lives together wore on, she became incredibly unhappy.

They raised two children together; a son and a daughter. The perfect nuclear family. The daughter became a teen mother and (she may have married the father, I’m not sure, but if she did it was for a short amount of time because she became…) a Single Mother (*cue gasps of horror*). She has remained a single mother to this day. Her children are all very academically successful with good degrees and jobs, and the two eldest are now happily married with children of their own.

The son (if you weren’t able to follow, this is my dad we’re talking about) grew up to be a feminist, and is in a happy egalitarian marriage with another feminist, and they have raised three children successfully, two of whom have turned out to be even more feminist (my eldest brother and I).

So the only place unhappiness and fucking-up (I personally don’t consider single motherhood to be a “fuck-up”, but I know you do [though I do consider the accidental teen pregnancy a fuck-up on my grandparents’ parts because I know they didn’t tell my aunt anything about sex and contraception and all that]) happened was within the “perfect” nuclear family. So what went wrong?

Crumbelievable
Crumbelievable
9 years ago

So in NWO’s future utopia, the patriarchy will continue to reign supreme and women will be outright enslaved, but this will not count as oppression.

Something tells me his favorite movie is Birth of a Nation.

ithiliana
9 years ago

@hellkell: I know! It’s a hoot. And most people use the WHOLE name….

KathleenB
KathleenB
9 years ago

Howdy, Mags. Did you have a good holiday?

KathleenB
KathleenB
9 years ago

Lauralot: Kami very quickly figured out how to pry those damn things off. Effing brat.

KathleenB
KathleenB
9 years ago

Our Stranger (who is, we think, a very dilute Mau mix) was tossed out onto the streets declawed. If we hadn’t found him and taken him in, he would probably have starved – you could count his ribs. And I’m pretty sure he was abandoned because he has a nasty reaction to de-worming medication: seizures. Easily fixed with wet food and fossil shell flour mixed in.

captainbathrobe
9 years ago

Herp Derp,

Your grandmother was obviously some genetic anomaly; either that, or she was exposed to feminist propaganda, and that
ate away at her naturally submissive nature. Or, most likely, she was seriously depressed and required heavy medication, or possibly electro-convulsive therapy, in order to be completely “normal.”

Also, fluffy kitties and dolls.

Lauralot
Lauralot
9 years ago

“Lauralot: Kami very quickly figured out how to pry those damn things off. Effing brat.”

One of my cats has been biting at hers and trying her best to pry it off on different household objects. So far she has been unsuccessful, and seems to have given up. That, or she’s just trying when we’re not looking.

David K. Meller
David K. Meller
9 years ago

Zhinxi–November26, 2011 @7:52am

“Why does my little girl, who loves pink, dolls, and dresses, want to be a physicist?

I have no idea, but it may have something to do with the fact that the older women in her family, including her mother, are practicing feminists, along with the malignant influence of cinema, books and magazines, and of course, lobotomyvision acting on her 24/7 without respite. She also probably sees no coutervailing influences suggesting more seemly and tradionally feminine adult roles for her and her friends.

Of course, once she becomes a physicist, and then finds that 90% plus are still men, and that she will probably be as welcome as a skunk in a perfumer’s convention, expect a considerable amount of feelings of persecution, alleged “discrimination” lawsuits, and related feelings of disillusionment!

SaruGoku–November 25,2011 @ 11:00 pm

I am trying to encourage modern women to get in touch with their more traditional selves. The surface patina of a tough, arch-competitive, unisex, bitter,over-educated, and just plain disagreeable (just look at the posts here) feminist may well be covering a much more lovable, softer, and very pleasing personality and temperment. If it is difficult, as women like you have admitted in many fora, not only manboobz, for some men to be conventionally masculine 24/7, how much more difficult must it be for women, whose gender associated personality templates are very different–and indeed at least somewhat similar to my characterisation of them, although I confess to a bit of exaggeration. This is not, and ought not be, a “sacrifice”, SaruGoku, this is a recovery of something that will enable you to be loved and cherished, a recovery of a source of great joy if you do it correctly. There are other places which can answer questions that you may have better than I can, such as fasinating womanhood and the surrendered wife. While they tend to address fundamentalist Christian women, their advice can be followed by any reasonably intelligent woman of any faith. Live and learn! the most that these modern women can offer you is basically to be an ersatz male, a kind of substitute man where there is no shortage of the real thing. A formula for more rapid and complete obsolescence can scarely be imagined, even if my ideas of cyberwives and obocuties are quite a way from realization at present. Don’t think of it as a “sacrifice” SaruGoku, think of it as an opportunity for great reward! the bitter, pseudomasculine she-harpies here (and other such websites and blogs you participate in) will spit sparks, but you have your own life to save here, and they couldn’t care less about you, as long as their feminist recruitment is on schedule…

pecunium
9 years ago

KathleenB: Which dewormers? The one’s for horses are pretty benign, as a rule (you can’t overdose a mammal on praziquantal. The pill dewormers are usually pretty drastic,

KathleenB
KathleenB
9 years ago

pecunium: Pretty much everything we tried, even in small doses. Maus tend to have odd reactions to chemicals, though. And the diatomaceous earth works like a charm.

Pyena
Pyena
9 years ago

@ Meller

Wow. You really are a selfish nitwit.

And this bit: “If it is difficult, as women like you have admitted in many fora, not only manboobz, for some men to be conventionally masculine 24/7, how much more difficult must it be for women, whose gender associated personality templates are very different–and indeed at least somewhat similar to my characterisation of them, although I confess to a bit of exaggeration.”

Are you saying that it’s difficult for women to be traditionally masculine, or for them to be traditionally feminine? Because I believe that it’s difficult for most people to conform to traditional gender roles. (And that traditional gender roles are just so much bullshit.)

Molly Ren
9 years ago

Oddly, the thing that always gets my goat the most about DKM’s rants is that he just throws the blanket word “unisex” over all the awesome queer people here.

I’m agender, you moron–if you’re gonna tell me how horrible I am, at least use the right word!

zhinxy
9 years ago

Of course, once she becomes a physicist, and then finds that 90% plus are still men, and that she will probably be as welcome as a skunk in a perfumer’s convention –

Why should she be so very unwelcome? She may face some discrimination, but not all the men will necessarily be unwelcoming or sexist to her. Why should they be? Men tend to be decent individuals, even in male dominated fields. When I was a military electrician, the overwhelming majority of the guys I worked with were wonderful people. I don’t think physics is some special hotbed of sexism as compared to the trades, especially the trades in a military context?

Also, my mother isn’t a feminist. Though, I suppose she’s not made of porcelain, either.