Though Thanksgiving is over, I’m still thinking about all the things I’m thankful for. I’m thankful that so many fine people have made this blog a kind of online home. I’m thankful for the steady stream of trolls that keep us all so busy. I’m thankful for friends, and kitties, and Netflix streaming, and the delicious Thanksgiving buffet I gorged on yesterday. I’m thankful I’m nowhere near a mall today. I could go on and on.
But instead I’ll just point out that I’m extra, especially, really really super-duper thankful I’m not this guy, as happily “single [and] free” as he claims to be. Or one of the 42 bitter assholes on The Spearhead who upvoted this comment of his:
I was going to limit my usage of women to that of a nice meat hole, but I concluded even that is too risky. Now I try to avoid western women altogether. Decades of child support can ruin a man’s life. STDs can ruin a man’s life. A False rape claim can ruin a man’s life. Also, women have disproportionate support from the courts and law enforcement thanks to traitorous manginas. Nearly every man I know who is living with a wife or gf is miserable. Nearly every man I know who does not have a wife or gf has a higher quality of life-or at least appears to be happier. From my observations, men’s quality of life usually decreases after long stints in relationships.
I will stay single, stay free, and live alone.
I am pretty sure that the “meat holes” of the world are even more happy about this last bit than you are.
Meller: Just compare Physics, to say nothing of related fields in the USA between 1910-1960 with American contributions–even men’s–between 1961 and 2010.
Right… Quantum Mechanics… nothing since 1990. Same for Astronomy. Solar Power…. completely stalled.
Human Genome, completely unmapped.
Computers… shit man, it’s gonna be decades before we have any that are smaller than a house.
But I think I know why women are doing all that sabotage: it’s delaying the sexbots.
Human Genome, completely unmapped.
-New world order plot, pecunium. That one doesn’t count. Or it does, but it’s totally nefarious.
“To have a ever-larger portion of an ever-shrinking pie is a sure symptom of impending disaster.
A word to the wise…”
There’s really not much practical limit on “Science that can be done” that we’re about to run out of, is there? How is the pie shrinking?
@ Zhinxy – One of my dearest friends from high school initially wanted to pursue physics, but ended up switching to chemistry for a while due to the unwelcoming atmosphere for women in the physics field.
And then a few years later she switched again and ended up back in a physics-based PhD program, because physics is what she loves, and she’s good at it. She never regretted making the switch back.
If that’s what your daughter wants, she won’t be happy doing anything else. Plus as a bonus her very existance will end up making men like Meller unhappy.
Seriously though, Meller, I’m interested: Why all this grumbling at the managerialist left (And new establishment cold war right) and the military-industrial complex of the fifties and sixties, and then you suddenly start humming and singing the praises of its beat the russians, tame the atom, reach the MOOOOON, build the cars, super-state-funded science?
Is it because Rothbard didn’t really deal with that part? He can’t have handled everything.
If that’s what your daughter wants, she won’t be happy doing anything else.
Knowing her, doubly so. And making those sorts unhappy always a bonus! 🙂
Zhinxy: THe bonus is real. One way I measure success is by the disgruntled men who hate what I do–the only way I’d worry is if they approved of me! And I’m not even in a STEM field (though I write grants with them, ahahahahah) INTERDISCIPLINARY ALL THE WAY!
MWAHAHAHHAHA!
*Note to self, you will get that PHD and you too will be interdisciplinary.*
*But remember, zhinxy, you must beware the shrinking History Pie*
Anyone here watch Hoarders, by any chance? Meller reminds me of one of the more epic episodes of that show, the name of which I unfortunately forget — the one about the guy who was claiming he was a colonel, a preacher, a priest, and was knighted after saving a member of the royal family in Vietnam or something.
The dude has kind of an effete manner about him, is pretty much completely divorced from reality, and his house is stuffed with dolls. Also mice.
Zhinxi–
What does the child’s father say?
I suppose that reading about libertarian and anarchist ideas and writers is better than the collectivist slop that she would get in ‘publik skoolz”, but beyond that, I have no idea how well she will respond. As even your friend, Joan Kennedy Taylor observed, there does seem to be a sort of inherent bias against liberty and private property (libertarianism) in women! Your daughter may be different, but it is far too early to say. Men seem to prefer liberty, women seem to prefer security. Compare the size and scope of government in the USA, or any other country today, with the way it was when women first got the vote.
As far as “championing big government, and the military-industrial complex discussing achievement in physics, and in the physical sciences between 1910 and 1960, as opposed to 1960-today, I dare say that on average, the Military Industrial complex spent as much in any single decade on its boondoggles in the decades you cited approvingly hiring and promoting women as opposed to 1910-1960. The NON military applications of physics (and chemistry, metallurgy, and biochemistry) when science was overwhelmingly a MALE (Okay, with the exception of Japan, a White male endeavor) which had nothing to do with the Federal government was remarkable indeed.
Cinema, especially a way to reliably add sound to movies, the emergence of ‘technicolor”, the commercialization of–and universalization–of radio, by 1940, radio was commonplace in many households, even those of modest means, refrigeration, enabling long distance transportation of perishable medicines and foodstuffs, advances in telephony, where by 1940, a telephone was, at least in large cities, no longer a curiosity but quite common in commercial establishments, and even middle class households were starting to enjoy at least one ‘phone! No Military-Industrial complex here, although advances in long distance communication did play an important part in WWII–which would have contributed to advances in telecommunication whether that war was fought or not.Improved understanding of heat management, especially in improvements in production and quality of rubber, steel, and plastics also took place in those decades, in ways that have no real counterpart today, the “increased opportunities of women, and “women of color” notwithstanding.
I haven’t forgotten the ladies, however. Nylon, Rayon, and Dacron, and eventually polyester made inexpensive but rather fancy clothing readily and profitably available to the shopping set! Improved management of methane gas storage and distribution technology made installation of home ovens safe, practical and very common long before 1960! Once again, maybe support of big-government boondoggles played an indirect effect, but most of the science was commercial and privately funded and developed! Household cooking became safer and cleaner! I don’t expect you manboobzettes to know this, bu t a thank you to the men involved, even posthumously, would be nice!
As far as educating your daughter, I suppose that ideally, she should be prepared primarilyfor womanhood and marriage, but IF she is to be prepared for work outside the home, probably you could do worse than give her libertarian books to read. Science (if there is any left by the time she is adult, don’t forget that the notes cited by Ithiliana emphasised that academic “science” is now little more than an affirmative action boondoggle to “enhance the participation of women, and especially women of color” to the sciences, NOT the development of science or industry as a whole!
Shorter Meller: tl;dr
Meller reminds me of an elderly version of this.
Except all the toys are wearing frilly dresses, and at the end he wanks while staring at them.
Aha, found it — the above referenced hoarder is “Sir Patrick”.
And, y’know, not to prove Meller right or anything, but I personally don’t want kids (although I generally like other people’s kids), and I think I’d go crazy if I had to be responsible for someone else’s homeschooling or keep the house spotless all the time (I do 90 percent of the cleaning in our house; I just don’t have the time to do it every day). But … that’s okay. It’s not just that “You hate kids and cleaning and homeschooling and family” isn’t true for all feminists; it’s also that it’s not an insult.
Joan was never my friend, and she never said the bias was inherent. There was and is a lot more going on with the spread of government than women’s suffrage can account for.
The child’s father was horribly abusive (I didn’t do my wifely duties well, I suppose?, and anyway, he’s a Democrat.) He provides no support for her, but I try to keep their relationship going as best as I can. I dont’ think he really cares what she reads.
Why should her “womanhood and marriage” be at odds with her being a scientist?
I’ll respond to a lot of the rest later, but really, Meller? Do you not notice that the computers we’re having this conversation on are really pretty spiffy? Just for a quick example of science still happening?
Also, you really, REALLY should read one of the greatest libertarian works so far this century, Kevin Carson’s http://homebrewindustrialrevolution.wordpress.com/
The Homebrew Industrial Revolution. It should help get you out of the Sloanist mass-production, Big Industry Atomic Age model of science and technology and wage labor, and help you see how a libertarian future can look.
Right now you sound kind of charmingly like a disneyland WORLD OF TOMORROW exibition circa when my mom was a kid… extolling the wonders of technology and all the weight off the housewives shoulders… only when you get to the part where the housewife is replaced by a robot, and this isn’t a dystopia, I realize it’s not so charming.
Sleep. Then I talk to you about Science. And History. And Ron Paul.
And, y’know, not to prove Meller right or anything, but I personally don’t want kids (although I generally like other people’s kids), and I think I’d go crazy if I had to be responsible for someone else’s homeschooling or keep the house spotless all the time (I do 90 percent of the cleaning in our house; I just don’t have the time to do it every day). But … that’s okay. It’s not just that “You hate kids and cleaning and homeschooling and family” isn’t true for all feminists; it’s also that it’s not an insult.
Amen!
(Also I love all of those thigns but the cleaning…)
Also, I dont entirely agree with kinsella here, but you can’t say there’s no libertarian case to be made for affirmative action:
http://www.lewrockwell.com/kinsella/kinsella11.html
I said that both fascinating womanhood and the surrendered wife were geared more to traditional Christian women (and their families) than others. I said that a more secular reader had to pick and choose ideas and advice that would be valid for HER. I didn’t say focus on the first somewhat goofy thing that you saw and then babble on to each other as if they (Andelin or Doyle) said nothing better!
There is no reason for example, why atheistic women, or plump women, for that matter, could not benefit from their wise counsel Who knows, you may even find a man who fancies Rubenesque ladies, and who is not all that fussy when it comes to impeccable neatness! There is NO reason at all why a pair of atheists can not love one anther and see their union as blessed, that is, as the most important thing in their lives, even if they don’t believe in G-d!
The matter of anxiety, bad temper, and perfectionism in the character of women who try to hard to assume the masculine role in the home and in life is common enough, with enough people, to damage a large number of relationships, married or not. If the price of “equality” is the loss of femininity and its allure and charm, then many men consider the price too high! You don’t have to be fundamentalist Christian (or Muslim, Jewish, or anything else) to understand this. TSW and/or FW can help you relax and enjoy life (and your womanhood) whether you are Christian or not, and for that matter, whether you are “pleasingly plump” or not!
@Pecunium “Human Genome, completely unmapped.”
The idea that women can’t advance science because ladybrains is so ridiculous. Molecular biology and biochemsitry are both fields that are advancing rapidly (to the point where introductory texts become obsolete within a couple of years), and biology is a famously lady-heavy field.
Don’t tell these guys that biology research often requires upper-level math. The poor dears might not be able to handle it.
I am watching something on the mythology of the Lord of the Rings and I am trying to see where it is promoting women’s empowerment, liberation, issues, future or anything about women. But there is nothing-right now they are discussing Beowulf which does have a woman in it but it is not about women.
Maybe because they occasionally have a woman talking on the show?
Lobotomizing women is good, but only if it makes them into fluffy housepets. If women become too educated, that counts as lobotomizing them. Thus says the man who thinks that women are innately bad at science.
KathleenB: No, we, it seems, are missing the point, REAL Women and REAL Men (which we aren’t, no matter what it might appear to look at our bodies) all want to live in the Mellerian Gender Utopia.
Intelligent people also all agree with him on Politics.
Since we are at variance, Q.E.D. we are not REAL People, ant lack intelligence. If we were either of those things, we’d agree with him.
Question Begging, anyone can do it, and everything is easier when a Scotsman does it.
But aren’t 90% of the regulars on this blog either queer, transgendered, or living kinky alternative lifestyles, or several of the above? There’s also a pretty uniform far-left vibe all around. I don’t know about intelligence, but I think it’s fair to say the views and opinions of the regulars here don’t necessarily reflect those of the population at large…
Well, perhaps, but we’re talking about MELLER’S views. I think the population at large or small is not going to dovetail with those.
Meller: Please face the fact that what you want is NOT what everyone else wants! And if it’s not totally obvious by now, what you want is REALLY not what people in this particular community want. So why don’t you fuck off and find a site full of quiverfull singles, all willing to rush joyfully to your side and tend to your every need (assuming their fathers approve, of course)?
And there’s something wrong with any or all of those things?