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“A man is not being respected if the woman he is with has spent her youth, beauty and fertility on someone else.” Um, what?

Vile strumpet! You'll get your comeuppance!

Manosphere dudes – MRAs, MGTOWers, PUAs and whatever other acronyms they will eventually invent – love to tell themselves little “just so” stories about women. One of their favorite stories is the story of the Bad Boy Cock Carousel.

The gist of it: Women in their twenties are at the height of their physical beauty. So they act like entitled bitches, sleeping with every Bad Boy and Alpha Asshole there is and ignoring the humble, honest, hardworking “nice guy” betas silently pining for them.

But once these mean girls hit the age of 27 or so, they suddenly become ugly monsters, and the bad boys stop returning their calls. So then the evil ladies try to glom on to the nearest beta male in an attempt to marry him and steal all of his money.

But the beta males don’t want none of that used-up pussy, and so they Go Their Own Way and everyone ends up forever alone. Or the guys learn “game” and start banging the hotties. Or they just go back to posting sammich jokes on Reddit. I think these are all supposed to be happy endings, because at least the evil bitches get their comeuppance.

Recently, someone posted a n especially creepy version of this Manosphere fairy tale in the comments here; it turned out to have been cut and pasted from a comment on Roissy/Heartiste’s “game” blog by a guy who calls himself PhillyBoy81. It’s long; I trimmed it a little for space.

“[A]lpha males” are doing all the rest of us a favor in the long run. They operate very much like short sellers in the dating market, exposing fraud and helping to discover the true prices of commodities (women).

Yep, we’re on the express train to Doucheytown.

Let’s take a 21-year old chick who’s between a 7/8 (cute to pretty. …  She can pretty much get sex whenever she wants it and with whomever she wants to have it with. And that is ultimately her downfall.

Young women (and some older ones) have an overinflated sense of the value of their vaginas. I mean, they have Wharton MBAs paying for exotic trips and they’re drinking Cosmos in the VIP with the Wizards.

Apparently this is just how women in their early twenties live. Who knew?

Since they are able to get such easy access to “alpha” dick, it follows logically that they should also have access to “alpha” wealth, marriage, and the lifestyle that accompanies all of that, right?

Wrong. See, when women gain this enormous sense of pussy power, they swing for the fences. …  So, the cute guy with a 3.8 GPA, but no car? Nope, not good enough. The nice-looking pre-med student? “Nah, I’ll just get back to him later. I heard Jude Law’s hotter brother is transferring here this semester.”

This had me worried for a second, but I looked it up: Jude Law does not have a “hotter brother,” or indeed a brother at all, which is good news for all straight men of equal or lesser hotness than Jude Law.

Anyway, back to the evil women:

They invariably end up overplaying their hand. They chase these players looking to get a ring, and then that ring never comes. So now they’re 27. It’s a good thing she kept that pre-med Johns Hopkins student in her back pocket just in case things didn’t work out with the player, right?

Wrong again. In a vacuum, women would have their way. Men beg for sex. Women decide whether to give it to them (and for most guys, they will not give it to you). But luckily, we don’t live in a vacuum. We live in the real world with social constraints, and there are two that work distinctly to a man’s advantage: reputation and age. …

Ladies don’t think … we won’t remember your bitchiness. And don’t think we won’t remember those guys who you ran behind like a cum bucket.

Hmm. I’m pretty sure the only place buckets are gifted with mobility is in old Disney cartoons.

We remember. And we punish.

When a man sleeps with 100 chicks, he’s a stud. When a woman sleeps with JUST ONE guy, that eliminates you as wifey material to ALL of his friends.  …

Apparently penises have a sort of reverse-Midas Touch thing going on: every woman who touches one turns into a filthy, used-up slut.

The height of a woman’s value, in terms of her value as a long term partner, is around the age of 27. That is the praecipice.  The older she gets, the more her singlehood gets scrutinized by men. Why the hell is she still single? Who’s cock has she been sucking all these years?

Clearly that is the first question every straight man should ask himself whenever he sees a single woman older than the age of 27. (Just make sure you don’t actually ask this question out loud; it doesn’t go over well.)

[L]et’s face it, what virile, successful bachelor wants to entertain a 29 or 30 year old as wifey potential. She’s going to want to become a baby factory right away and rip away the last vestiges of your freedom. I don’t think so. It’s now my time to swing for the fences and bang some of these 21 year olds that I couldn’t bang in college.

Hello creepy older dude lurking in the shadows at the frat party!

In conclusion, a woman’s value is really defined by the type of man who puts a ring on her finger, not the type of guy who will fuck her. It takes a lot of women a long time to understand this, and thus, they overplay their hand. If it wasn’t for the players dogging them out, these women would not get a sense of their true value and start to seek out men who fit within their price range.

It’s all about market equilibrium, yo! SCIENCE!

So that’s the story. It’s a stupid story. It’s not a true story. But it’s the story that manosphere dudes, like young children, want to hear over and over and over.

But I haven’t even gotten to the best part. Our pal MarkyMark, an excitable and somewhat addled Man Going His Own Way, reposted PhillyBoy81’s comment on his blog. In the comments there (as Man Boobz commenter Wetherby pointed out) we find this little gem:

A man is not being respected if the woman he is with has spent her youth, beauty and fertility on someone else.

Yep, that’s right. I’m just going to repeat that, because, wow.

A man is not being respected if the woman he is with has spent her youth, beauty and fertility on someone else.

All women older than 27 or so who date or marry men are disrespecting these men because … they are older than 27. Apparently women age out of spite. Maturation is misandry!

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Spearhafoc
13 years ago

fruity girly drinks are where its at.

Careful.

Shora
13 years ago

Something I always wonder when these conversations come up:

Who the fuck is a Beta?

Every time I ask an MRA or some type of idiot who believes in the greek system, they move the goal posts like whoa until “alpha” means “every guy I am attracted to.” And yet in these kinds of comments it’s clear that they mean guys who are way above average in conventional attractiveness.

The whole thing is ridiculous because at the end of the day…. I just have sex with normal people. I don’t really have strong general preferences when it comes to guys, so what I got under my belt (so to speak) is a mix of shot guys, tall guys, nerdy guys, suave guys, rivitheads, effeminate guys, jacked guys….. None of whom really fit into this alpha/beta nonsense.

Of course, they do have one common denominator; They’re not misogynistic douchebags.

Dracula
Dracula
13 years ago

As far as the “maximum fuckable age” level slipping down goes, I wonder if it’s some kind self-fulfilling prophesy/sour grapes thing.

Like if you deliberately remove more and more women from the pool of people you’d fuck, it becomes easier to say that no one you want will fuck you.

At the same time, it becomes easier to say “Well I didn’t want you anyway, you old hag!” when you get rejected.

Dracula
Dracula
13 years ago

Who the fuck is a Beta?

Only people identify as such, in my book. It’s a form of self-deprecation that allows these guys to blame their all problems with women on external forces. Thus sparing themselves all that unpleasant and difficult self-examination. You know, the kind of thing might actually help them.

captainbathrobe
13 years ago

Man, Kirby gets all the virtual babes.

Ullere
Ullere
13 years ago

I’ve seen this sort of analysis so many times on reddit and I’ve always thought it was funny.

Some things first, is sleeping around easier for women? I have no idea having never been a women but if I were to hazard a guess I’d say yes. However since this is on a PUA/game blog I’d assume that the guys who read it surely find sleeping around easier than the average man. This makes me wonder if they themselves ‘gaming’ and sleeping around alot makes them less viable for a long term relationship as they get older… why do they believe they are entitled to a women of a certain morality that they themselves don’t possess?

I should say that the reason women sleeping around is historically frowned upon is due to possible confusion over parental identity, and since somewhere in the region of oen in 5 to one in 3 men have fallen victim to paternity fraud/infidelity and are raising someone elses child I think is is perhaps still a valid concern.

However I’m surprise manboobz featured this, yes it shows some idiocy and uses the term ‘a woman’s value ‘ but this is nothing incredible or suprising, people are free, enjoy your sexuality as much as you can. You get but one life and it’s entirely yours choice.

However if for some reason a man or a woman does not want a long term relationship with someone who has had over x number of partners, that too is their choice, not all opinions are valid but who you choose to form relationships with isn’t really that important as long as your enjoying yourself.

Dracula
Dracula
13 years ago

and since somewhere in the region of oen in 5 to one in 3 men have fallen victim to paternity fraud/infidelity

It’s one in three men who get paternity tests not one in three men.

Viscaria
Viscaria
13 years ago

Hello, PhillyBoy81! Welcome, time traveller, to 2011!!

You are, no doubt, weary from your journey here from 1952, but if you could take a moment I would be glad to teach you about some of our customs.

They chase these players looking to get a ring, and then that ring never comes. So now they’re 27.

I know, to you, that seems shockingly old to be unwed, but in today’s modern world women don’t actually need a man to support them! As a consequence, many women marry later, don’t marry at all, or even pick other women as spouses! This also means many women will marry men without carefully inspecting their bank accounts first. Hold on, the ride gets even wilder:

[L]et’s face it, what virile, successful bachelor wants to entertain a 29 or 30 year old as wifey potential. She’s going to want to become a baby factory right away and rip away the last vestiges of your freedom.

Interestingly, in the modern era, women who want to have children can actually wait well into their 30s and still safely conceive (though pregnancy may be more high-risk). Fascinating advancements in medical science! Of course, if you think of children as life-destroyers now, there’s a good chance you’re not going to change your mind in a couple years, so maybe you should try marrying a woman who isn’t looking to have children?

Also, in 2011, 27 year old women turn into 29 year old women in two years. I had thought this happened in 1952 as well, but sometimes these details escape me, so let’s move on:

In conclusion, a woman’s value is really defined by the type of man who puts a ring on her finger, not the type of guy who will fuck her.

Ah, another example of what I was trying to explain before! You see, PhillyBoy81, women today can earn their own income, making marriage something people do out of affection, rather than financial need. I am assuming that when you say “a woman’s value”, you are of course using it as shorthand for earning potential, right? Because even in 1952, no one thought a woman’s value as a human being had anything to do with her vagina, right? Yes?

Shora
13 years ago

Some things first, is sleeping around easier for women? I have no idea having never been a women but if I were to hazard a guess I’d say yes.

It is easier in that it is easier to get partners to have sex with. It is harder in having to deal with social stigma, having to deal with the fact that because I’m promiscuous many view me as unrapeable, learning to avoid men who think less of me for having sex with them, dealing with judgement of people I like… the list goes on.

What I’m saying here is that it’s difficult for everyone

However if for some reason a man or a woman does not want a long term relationship with someone who has had over x number of partners, that too is their choice

This needs to be addressed, but It;s too late and I have to get up too early to do so in an intelligent manner. So I’ll just say that handwaving sexism because “oh it’s their choice” is weaksauce.

Shora
13 years ago

-shakes fist at the sky-

BLOCKQUOTES!!!!!

Ullere
Ullere
13 years ago

@Dracula
http://www.canadiancrc.com/Newspaper_Articles/Globe_and_Mail_Moms_Little_secret_14DEC02.aspx

puts it at a bare minimum of 10% however thats only when a man is falsely name the father, however every case of unstated paternity also removes a persons right to raise their own children and unstated paternity is at 28% according to canada
http://www.canadiancrc.com/PDFs/Unstated_Paternity_1st_Nations_en.pdf

Not that I’m wanting to argue about %’s. I was merely putting the historical distaste of female promiscuity into perspective.

Ullere
Ullere
13 years ago

@ shora

Sorry for my weaksauce sexism, though technically it was at best moral snobbery. I clearly said ‘a man or a woman ‘ meaning that I believe both men and women have the right to choose who to form long term relationships with, even if they set the bar on something as silly as past sexual activity.

Yeah dealing with social stigma can’t be hysterical, but I wouldn’t call it hard, not more than bullying when you were a child. I think as people become more sure of themselves, less malleable social stigma stops mattering.

Hershele Ostropoler
13 years ago

I assume the Wizards are what used to be the basketball team, back when there was basketball? Or is it a term somewhere in the alpha-beta-shin-yetch paradigm?

Viscaria
Viscaria
13 years ago

I would totally date a wizard. “Hey honey, my feet are kind of cold, could you help out?” BOOM! Warming spell.

Dracula
Dracula
13 years ago

That’s interesting, Ullere, because this study…

http://jech.bmj.com/content/59/9/749.long

…puts the median rate of paternal discrepancy at 3.7%, and the median rate for disputed paternity tests at 26.9%

Also, that PDF you linked talks specifically about unstated paternity among members of the First Nations, who number about 700,000, not Canada in general, the population of which is 31,612,897.

Ullere
Ullere
13 years ago

‘Rates vary between studies from 0.8% to 30%’
I guess it’s a pretty hard to study phenomenon, short of making dna tests compulsory at birth
a range of 29.2% is pretty broad.

‘While this is not a measure of population prevalence it does suggest the widely used (but unsubstantiated) figure of 10% PD21 may be an overestimate for most populations’

It is interesting that the canadiancrc article put the bare minimum at 10%, again with mandatory dna tests the problem woud be solved.
Thanks for the link.

Wetherby
Wetherby
13 years ago

I last had sex with a 21-year-old in 1989, and haven’t slept with anyone under 35 since 1992.

By choice.

The only one who was a virgin was the 21-year-old, with the others all running the gamut from very to extremely experienced.

Believe me, it showed – and explains why I’ve tended to favor women of 35 plus.

Isn’t life grand when you don’t have stupid hangups about “market value” and the notion that women are completely past it at 27?

CassandraSays
CassandraSays
13 years ago

I would not date a wizard because if we had an argument he might turn me into something unpleasant. I quite like frogs, but I really wouldn’t want to be a beetle.

Viscaria
Viscaria
13 years ago

Yeesh, I didn’t at all think about transformations. I might have to reconsider.

By the by, I’m a University student and my boyfriend is 14 years older than me. He’s also much more financially stable than I am, as you might expect. So I guess I’m exactly the kind of cock carousel riding floozy PhillyBoy81 is so disgusted by (and yet, apparently, totally willing to sleep with- -the young ones, anyway). The thing is, we relate to each other as people. I appreciate him for reasons other than his wallet, he appreciates me for reasons other than my young body. We probably won’t get married, not because he’s going to use me up like the sucker I am, leaving me desperate and unmarriagable, but because it’s pretty unlikely that I’ll end up with the person I’m dating in my early 20s. So I’ll either find someone who isn’t horrified that I have a sexual history and enter into an equal partnership with them (which is to say, not use them for money and babiez), or I’ll be single, which is okay because I have the ability to earn a damn income.

Viscaria
Viscaria
13 years ago

Oh, and by the way? My experience of different financial statuses in a relationship is not “Will you send me to Tahiti in exchange for sex?” “Yeah, okay!” It’s “Let’s do things together that we can both afford and enjoy, including sex!” “Yeah, okay!”

Wetherby
Wetherby
13 years ago

I’ve mentioned this on another thread, but I keep getting reminded about the guy who, after his girlfriend of over four years (length of relationship, not age) walked out on him, sued her for every penny he’d ever spent on her.

The really creepy thing about this wasn’t so much the lawsuit itself, as the fact that he’d been maintaining meticulous receipt-backed records of, quite literally, every penny he’d ever spent on her, from the moment they first met.

Fortunately, sanity prevailed, the judge threw the case out, and the guy was mercilessly pilloried across the British media (though sadly not so much that I can remember his name, otherwise I’d link) – though true justice would dictate that he never gets so much as a date again, let alone another girlfriend.

Rutee Katreya
13 years ago

puts it at a bare minimum of 10% however thats only when a man is falsely name the father, however every case of unstated paternity also removes a persons right to raise their own children and unstated paternity is at 28% according to canada

Hey, moron. That’s not fraud. Fraud requires deliberate lies. You don’t prove paternity fraud by proving women were mistaken about parentage. Fucking idiots.

Eneya
13 years ago

To mee it looks like whining that pretty and young women ignore him and sleep with other people and he sees that as unfair because he is entitled to attracive young women because…

I find it laughable actually.
The grapes are sour obviously but his idea for revenge is truly retro, because so many, many women actually don’t want marriage or need a man to support them, that he will be stuck with his finger in his mouth.
The women he wants (but doesn’t likes for their personalities, just for the fact their are young and attractive) will not sleep with him and that will not change, because he will get older and older (men age too!), they will continue not to sleep with him.
I see this as a revenge fantasy and nothing more.

Comet
Comet
13 years ago

Comparing and contrasting that Reddit pic with the previous post on SCUM, and what gets me isn’t just the fact they’re make offensive jokes. It’s that they can dish it out, but they can’t take it. A woman makes an offensively sexist joke a man doesn’t like: she’s a man-hating feminazi. A man makes an offensively sexist joke a woman doesn’t like: she’s a humourless feminazi.

thesecond
thesecond
13 years ago

These men are right, and very wise.

I mean, why would you respect a man if he married someone old, infertile and dull when he had the option of someone soft, funny and not bitter? Dumpster diving isn’t respect worthy.

It’s not about being good, or evil. It’s about making good choices for your future, which women very often fail at. And the world isn’t kind to women who make mistakes. No matter how much you shame men they still won’t find aging women that attractive. Yoing and soft just feels so much better.