Manosphere dudes – MRAs, MGTOWers, PUAs and whatever other acronyms they will eventually invent – love to tell themselves little “just so” stories about women. One of their favorite stories is the story of the Bad Boy Cock Carousel.
The gist of it: Women in their twenties are at the height of their physical beauty. So they act like entitled bitches, sleeping with every Bad Boy and Alpha Asshole there is and ignoring the humble, honest, hardworking “nice guy” betas silently pining for them.
But once these mean girls hit the age of 27 or so, they suddenly become ugly monsters, and the bad boys stop returning their calls. So then the evil ladies try to glom on to the nearest beta male in an attempt to marry him and steal all of his money.
But the beta males don’t want none of that used-up pussy, and so they Go Their Own Way and everyone ends up forever alone. Or the guys learn “game” and start banging the hotties. Or they just go back to posting sammich jokes on Reddit. I think these are all supposed to be happy endings, because at least the evil bitches get their comeuppance.
Recently, someone posted a n especially creepy version of this Manosphere fairy tale in the comments here; it turned out to have been cut and pasted from a comment on Roissy/Heartiste’s “game” blog by a guy who calls himself PhillyBoy81. It’s long; I trimmed it a little for space.
“[A]lpha males” are doing all the rest of us a favor in the long run. They operate very much like short sellers in the dating market, exposing fraud and helping to discover the true prices of commodities (women).
Yep, we’re on the express train to Doucheytown.
Let’s take a 21-year old chick who’s between a 7/8 (cute to pretty. … She can pretty much get sex whenever she wants it and with whomever she wants to have it with. And that is ultimately her downfall.
Young women (and some older ones) have an overinflated sense of the value of their vaginas. I mean, they have Wharton MBAs paying for exotic trips and they’re drinking Cosmos in the VIP with the Wizards.
Apparently this is just how women in their early twenties live. Who knew?
Since they are able to get such easy access to “alpha” dick, it follows logically that they should also have access to “alpha” wealth, marriage, and the lifestyle that accompanies all of that, right?
Wrong. See, when women gain this enormous sense of pussy power, they swing for the fences. … So, the cute guy with a 3.8 GPA, but no car? Nope, not good enough. The nice-looking pre-med student? “Nah, I’ll just get back to him later. I heard Jude Law’s hotter brother is transferring here this semester.”
This had me worried for a second, but I looked it up: Jude Law does not have a “hotter brother,” or indeed a brother at all, which is good news for all straight men of equal or lesser hotness than Jude Law.
Anyway, back to the evil women:
They invariably end up overplaying their hand. They chase these players looking to get a ring, and then that ring never comes. So now they’re 27. It’s a good thing she kept that pre-med Johns Hopkins student in her back pocket just in case things didn’t work out with the player, right?
Wrong again. In a vacuum, women would have their way. Men beg for sex. Women decide whether to give it to them (and for most guys, they will not give it to you). But luckily, we don’t live in a vacuum. We live in the real world with social constraints, and there are two that work distinctly to a man’s advantage: reputation and age. …
Ladies don’t think … we won’t remember your bitchiness. And don’t think we won’t remember those guys who you ran behind like a cum bucket.
Hmm. I’m pretty sure the only place buckets are gifted with mobility is in old Disney cartoons.
We remember. And we punish.
When a man sleeps with 100 chicks, he’s a stud. When a woman sleeps with JUST ONE guy, that eliminates you as wifey material to ALL of his friends. …
Apparently penises have a sort of reverse-Midas Touch thing going on: every woman who touches one turns into a filthy, used-up slut.
The height of a woman’s value, in terms of her value as a long term partner, is around the age of 27. That is the praecipice. The older she gets, the more her singlehood gets scrutinized by men. Why the hell is she still single? Who’s cock has she been sucking all these years?
Clearly that is the first question every straight man should ask himself whenever he sees a single woman older than the age of 27. (Just make sure you don’t actually ask this question out loud; it doesn’t go over well.)
[L]et’s face it, what virile, successful bachelor wants to entertain a 29 or 30 year old as wifey potential. She’s going to want to become a baby factory right away and rip away the last vestiges of your freedom. I don’t think so. It’s now my time to swing for the fences and bang some of these 21 year olds that I couldn’t bang in college.
Hello creepy older dude lurking in the shadows at the frat party!
In conclusion, a woman’s value is really defined by the type of man who puts a ring on her finger, not the type of guy who will fuck her. It takes a lot of women a long time to understand this, and thus, they overplay their hand. If it wasn’t for the players dogging them out, these women would not get a sense of their true value and start to seek out men who fit within their price range.
It’s all about market equilibrium, yo! SCIENCE!
So that’s the story. It’s a stupid story. It’s not a true story. But it’s the story that manosphere dudes, like young children, want to hear over and over and over.
But I haven’t even gotten to the best part. Our pal MarkyMark, an excitable and somewhat addled Man Going His Own Way, reposted PhillyBoy81’s comment on his blog. In the comments there (as Man Boobz commenter Wetherby pointed out) we find this little gem:
A man is not being respected if the woman he is with has spent her youth, beauty and fertility on someone else.
Yep, that’s right. I’m just going to repeat that, because, wow.
A man is not being respected if the woman he is with has spent her youth, beauty and fertility on someone else.
All women older than 27 or so who date or marry men are disrespecting these men because … they are older than 27. Apparently women age out of spite. Maturation is misandry!
Anybody who wants to get a taste for what the MRA world is like, I recommend reading the rest of the comment thread. Especially the one about the father who wants his daughter to grow up and find a nice man to marry, so he’s asking what college he should send her to. The reply? “Women are just gonna ride the alpha cock carousel, if she dates an alpha its her own fault.”
Guh…
@ Kirby – Huh. And I thought Meller was the only MRA devoted to the notion that fathers do not love their daughters.
Seconding the cuddles advice! 🙂
Also, I love how this comment only has to do with 7/8 women. What happens to all of us mediocre-looking (and, God forbid, ugly) women and female-assigned genderqueer people? Are we just alone forever? Would it be excessive to ask the gentlemen who can’t get laid to consider having casual sex with less attractive women to tide them over until all of the women of “their” rank are done drinking with pro athletes?
At first I read it and thought he meant 7/8 as in seven eighths. Took me a second to realize he meant seven or eight out of ten. Not that it really makes very much more sense that way either.
@Ozy:
“Would it be excessive to ask the gentlemen who can’t get laid to consider having casual sex with less attractive women to tide them over until all of the women of “their” rank are done drinking with pro athletes?”
Actually, it would! If wasting your vitality and youthful sexy awesomesauce on someone else is one of the most disrespectful things you can do to a man, what about someone who never had any of that in the first place? It’s practically unthinkable!
You know, I totally see where you’re going with that, Ozy, but at the same time I’m really not comfortable suggesting that anyone should sleep with people they’re not attracted to. It seems to me that that argument is problematic, and could backfire in all kinds of ways.
Cassandra: You’re right, of course. 🙂 It still seems odd to me to complain about inability to get laid if you only want to sleep with women of above-average conventional attractiveness…
It does indeed seem a bit, um, unrealistic? But then again, if I were to say “I can’t get laid!” I would probably mean “with someone I actually want to have sex with”. If you’re not attracated to someone then they don’t even register as a sexual option, for most people.
How can you have “value as a long term partner” that ends when you turn 28? This guy is aware that women keep aging after you marry them, right?
Of course, we only do it to be rude.
This fantasy is particularly amusing when I think about it in light of my own life — at 21 I was an undergraduate engineering student, I was definitely not going on exotic trips of any sort (in fact, if one of these people from Wharton or whatever had offered one, I would have turned it down on the grounds that I could not possibly spare the time), and I was cruelly not dating anyone with a 3.8 GPA because the creature essentially did not exist at my school (except for one person with a 4.0, and she was so far as I know straight, as I thought I was at the time). And my sex life actually hit a major upturn — from virginity — at the supposedly-horrifying age of 27.
Also, er, what is a Cosmo?
@firebee:
I think a Cosmo is a strange magazine that seems to mainly focus on how women can be sexy, alluring, and how to pleasure men. *shrug*
Also, er, what is a Cosmo?
I think this is what they’re referring to:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cosmopolitan_%28cocktail%29
ok that’s it. I hearby declare myself a woman going her own way.
I know the majority of men are not like this…but there’s plenty of them lurking on the internet and that’s enough for me. Just the thought of crossing paths with one of these douchebags in real life makes me want to puke. I don’t know how decent men and women people willingly put themselves in the dating world. You guys have a hell of a lot more faith in the goodness of people than I do that’s for sure.
Also cosmos rock! not the magazine, the drink 😀 fruity girly drinks are where its at. Especially ones with cranberry.
Going back and listening to this, who knew these guys were really MRAs or something.
LOL Xtra. That song pops into my head everytime I hear the word “wifey” too.
I really do hope my girls are gay when they grow up. At least they won’t be trying to date any of these assholes.
(yes, I have said that before, I still mean it)
Maybe these dudes could do it Lolita-style, and by the time their wives are ancient 30-year-old hags they can start raising up their daughters to replace those crumbling bitches. Yaaay.
This is one of those MRA moral theories that only works if the MRA assumes that the entire universe revolves around him. Because it’s not just that any woman who has sex with more than one man is an irreversibly broken slutty slut, but if any woman has sex with any man who is NOT HIM she is somehow mysteriously disrespecting him from afar. Spooky action at a distance? Quantum disrespect????
Also, your scale is really skewed towards ugly if you would call a “7/8” merely cute or pretty. I almost find that more revealing of phillyboy’s attitude towards women than the rest of that nonsense. Because at least for me, I find that most women I meet are at least “not ugly”, and I know a good deal who are cute in some way. I definitely know more men that I’d call flat out ugly than I do women. I wonder whether MRAs somehow live in medieval Europe or something; I have no idea how else they get the idea that so many women are gross and that finding an attractive woman is extremely difficult. (I’m guessing their rating system is probably skewed because they’re interested in proving shit to each other and comparing women like audio systems or gaming rigs or something, where assholes with a grudge come up with all sorts of completely arbitrary shit to discern between set-ups that are indistinguishable for any real purpose you’d use them for only so they can “have the best one”)
They compare women they meet with women on screen. Anything less than a hollywood glamourpuss is ‘ordinary’.
I’ve noticed an interesting thing happening with the way some of these dudes decide at what age a woman is a dried up hag, the numerical value seems to be going not up like one would amuse but bizarrely sliding down.
First it was 40 then 35 now we are hovering round 27 to 30 aria which is odd because if you haven’t noticed there are allot of amazingly cool, interesting and attractive women round about that age.
I honestly don’t know the reason for this phenomenon maybe someone smarter than me can figure it out. For now I’m sticking with my theory a pet theory I’ve been kicking around which is…
These guys are talking out their asses.
I’d say something about unrealistic beauty standards but that probably makes me a horrible misandrist!
I’m curious as to how far down the age at which women become hags is going to creep. Right now it seems to be 25-ish – are we going to end up with it at 21? Maybe 18? Given the crossover between MRAs, PUAs, and creepy weirdos who want to fuck teenagers, it seems entirely possible that we may eventually hit the stage where any woman who’s legal is also too old to have sex with because ew wrinkles.
A nice-looking Johns Hopkins pre-med student? Heh. Dating should be the least of his priorities. The competition to get into med school is insane — and getting there is only the beginning. I’d say, pre-meds should concentrate on their studies, and when it comes to relationships, let the chips fall where they may. Show me a pre-med student who is fuming over the fact that women “owe” him a relationship, and I’ll show you someone who’s well on the way to failing bio, screwing up on the MCATs and becoming a homeopath.
You know, I wonder if the age-slipping thing is because there are more younger MRAs than there used to be. (This would be interesting to test.) Whereas before it was 50-year-old divorcees or whatever complaining about “bitchy American women” and saying they’re gonna go bang some 25-year-old at the bar or go find some 30-year-old from Thailand to marry. And now that MRA stuff is more accessible you have a lot of 22-year-old frustrated college guys generalizing from their early failures at dating and saying that high schoolers are better because those Holy Highness college women think they’re such smart prisses for getting into Yale!!!!! And then they hope really hard that those college women shrivel up like mummies by the time they hit 25.
Or it could be like marc said, they’re totally talking out of their asses, which would not be something novel at all from that crowd.