Manosphere dudes – MRAs, MGTOWers, PUAs and whatever other acronyms they will eventually invent – love to tell themselves little “just so” stories about women. One of their favorite stories is the story of the Bad Boy Cock Carousel.
The gist of it: Women in their twenties are at the height of their physical beauty. So they act like entitled bitches, sleeping with every Bad Boy and Alpha Asshole there is and ignoring the humble, honest, hardworking “nice guy” betas silently pining for them.
But once these mean girls hit the age of 27 or so, they suddenly become ugly monsters, and the bad boys stop returning their calls. So then the evil ladies try to glom on to the nearest beta male in an attempt to marry him and steal all of his money.
But the beta males don’t want none of that used-up pussy, and so they Go Their Own Way and everyone ends up forever alone. Or the guys learn “game” and start banging the hotties. Or they just go back to posting sammich jokes on Reddit. I think these are all supposed to be happy endings, because at least the evil bitches get their comeuppance.
Recently, someone posted a n especially creepy version of this Manosphere fairy tale in the comments here; it turned out to have been cut and pasted from a comment on Roissy/Heartiste’s “game” blog by a guy who calls himself PhillyBoy81. It’s long; I trimmed it a little for space.
“[A]lpha males” are doing all the rest of us a favor in the long run. They operate very much like short sellers in the dating market, exposing fraud and helping to discover the true prices of commodities (women).
Yep, we’re on the express train to Doucheytown.
Let’s take a 21-year old chick who’s between a 7/8 (cute to pretty. … She can pretty much get sex whenever she wants it and with whomever she wants to have it with. And that is ultimately her downfall.
Young women (and some older ones) have an overinflated sense of the value of their vaginas. I mean, they have Wharton MBAs paying for exotic trips and they’re drinking Cosmos in the VIP with the Wizards.
Apparently this is just how women in their early twenties live. Who knew?
Since they are able to get such easy access to “alpha” dick, it follows logically that they should also have access to “alpha” wealth, marriage, and the lifestyle that accompanies all of that, right?
Wrong. See, when women gain this enormous sense of pussy power, they swing for the fences. … So, the cute guy with a 3.8 GPA, but no car? Nope, not good enough. The nice-looking pre-med student? “Nah, I’ll just get back to him later. I heard Jude Law’s hotter brother is transferring here this semester.”
This had me worried for a second, but I looked it up: Jude Law does not have a “hotter brother,” or indeed a brother at all, which is good news for all straight men of equal or lesser hotness than Jude Law.
Anyway, back to the evil women:
They invariably end up overplaying their hand. They chase these players looking to get a ring, and then that ring never comes. So now they’re 27. It’s a good thing she kept that pre-med Johns Hopkins student in her back pocket just in case things didn’t work out with the player, right?
Wrong again. In a vacuum, women would have their way. Men beg for sex. Women decide whether to give it to them (and for most guys, they will not give it to you). But luckily, we don’t live in a vacuum. We live in the real world with social constraints, and there are two that work distinctly to a man’s advantage: reputation and age. …
Ladies don’t think … we won’t remember your bitchiness. And don’t think we won’t remember those guys who you ran behind like a cum bucket.
Hmm. I’m pretty sure the only place buckets are gifted with mobility is in old Disney cartoons.
We remember. And we punish.
When a man sleeps with 100 chicks, he’s a stud. When a woman sleeps with JUST ONE guy, that eliminates you as wifey material to ALL of his friends. …
Apparently penises have a sort of reverse-Midas Touch thing going on: every woman who touches one turns into a filthy, used-up slut.
The height of a woman’s value, in terms of her value as a long term partner, is around the age of 27. That is the praecipice. The older she gets, the more her singlehood gets scrutinized by men. Why the hell is she still single? Who’s cock has she been sucking all these years?
Clearly that is the first question every straight man should ask himself whenever he sees a single woman older than the age of 27. (Just make sure you don’t actually ask this question out loud; it doesn’t go over well.)
[L]et’s face it, what virile, successful bachelor wants to entertain a 29 or 30 year old as wifey potential. She’s going to want to become a baby factory right away and rip away the last vestiges of your freedom. I don’t think so. It’s now my time to swing for the fences and bang some of these 21 year olds that I couldn’t bang in college.
Hello creepy older dude lurking in the shadows at the frat party!
In conclusion, a woman’s value is really defined by the type of man who puts a ring on her finger, not the type of guy who will fuck her. It takes a lot of women a long time to understand this, and thus, they overplay their hand. If it wasn’t for the players dogging them out, these women would not get a sense of their true value and start to seek out men who fit within their price range.
It’s all about market equilibrium, yo! SCIENCE!
So that’s the story. It’s a stupid story. It’s not a true story. But it’s the story that manosphere dudes, like young children, want to hear over and over and over.
But I haven’t even gotten to the best part. Our pal MarkyMark, an excitable and somewhat addled Man Going His Own Way, reposted PhillyBoy81’s comment on his blog. In the comments there (as Man Boobz commenter Wetherby pointed out) we find this little gem:
A man is not being respected if the woman he is with has spent her youth, beauty and fertility on someone else.
Yep, that’s right. I’m just going to repeat that, because, wow.
A man is not being respected if the woman he is with has spent her youth, beauty and fertility on someone else.
All women older than 27 or so who date or marry men are disrespecting these men because … they are older than 27. Apparently women age out of spite. Maturation is misandry!
*hugs zhinxy tight*
I know this is not news to me, but I still want to say you are v brave and awesome for being able to share this..
It’ll be interesting to see what the local MRAs say.. xD My exp here is a lot of them can rant and talk big about their ideology but when they have to apply it to a real person, they back off and run… like Ion when I asked him to tell me what “benefits” and privileges I got as a survivor, or how NWO completely went into defense and flee mode when Sarah shared her story… : or how MRAL had to admit that he can’t describe my life and how it’s different than his at all because I’m a real person, and not some “ALPHA FUCK BITCH” of his imagination… when applied to a real person he realized he couldn’t know what my life is like, despite that he’s always acting as an expert on women’s wonderful Snooki-ish lives xD
We’ll prolly see some concern trolling too e_e
Short story. If a man said he was so afraid of his enviroment that he felt uncomfortable leaving his home without carrying a fully loaded assault rifle he would be labeled as a paranoid psychotic.
Food for thought.
What specifically are you referring to? o_O Who wants to go out with a fully loaded assault rifle? o_O
You’re free to label women as paranoid psychotics too if you want xD There’s no law that says “YOU MAY ONLY THINK OF MEN AS PARANOID” >_>
What’s with this “if it’s a man!” stuff? xD
Well… well… TWO can play that game!
If it was a woman who talked like NWO she’d be… ….. …. praised and given millions of dollars…
damn… backfired
anon – We don’t want to carry fully loaded assault rifles (Though as a libertarian, zhinxy recommends this, especially for the kids!), we just want the right not to automatically trust strangers.
If a man wants to go through life cautious about strange women approaching him, for whatever reason, he has my blessing. There’s no right to be automatically trusted or thought well of by a stranger.
BUT IF HE LOOKED LIKE JUSTIN PITT OR BRAD BIEBER WOMEN WOULD AUTOMATICALLY TRUST HIM!!! THEY HAVE THE RIGHT TO BE TRUSTED WHY NOT US LOWLY BETAS!?
And what food are we supposed to be thinking about? xD
I love when trolls just say “food for thought” or “something to think about” and of course never articulate what THEY believe in detail xD
At night, it gets dark. During the day, when there are lots of men outside, the sun is out.
Food for thought.
@Amy
“What specifically are you referring to? o_O Who wants to go out with a fully loaded assault rifle? o_O”
Actual quote from Schroedinger’s Rapist.
“My activities after dark are curtailed. Unless I am in a densely-occupied, well-lit space, I won’t go out alone. Even then, I prefer to have a friend or two, or my dogs, with me. Do you follow rules like these?”
This is an almost exact analogy to a man telling us he is uncomfortable leaving his home without a fully loaded assault rifle. Yet somehow the woman gets respect and support in her demand that the environment should change. The man is labelled as a paranoid psychotic.
“You’re free to label women as paranoid psychotics too if you want xD There’s no law that says “YOU MAY ONLY THINK OF MEN AS PARANOID” >_>”
See last sentence in above comment.
“What’s with this “if it’s a man!” stuff? xD”
It illustrates the very different standards when the same statement springs from a man and when it springs from a woman.
@zhinxy
“If a man wants to go through life cautious about strange women approaching him, for whatever reason, he has my blessing. There’s no right to be automatically trusted or thought well of by a stranger.”
Great, so the next time me and my buddies decide we are going to hold a lan party for men only because we don’t know if the women that will attend are going to be like the last assholes that made our lives living hells, we can just refer to you when we are called out on being sexist assholes.
That is good to know.
“This is an almost exact analogy to a man telling us he is uncomfortable leaving his home without a fully loaded assault rifle.”
– No, it is an exact analogy to a man saying that unless he is in a densely-occupied, well-lit space, he won’t go out alone. Even then, he prefers to have a friend or two, or his dogs, with him.
It’s not even almost. You’ve got like, pepper spray and even a handgun to go through before you get to assault rifle.
@Amy
“What specifically are you referring to? o_O Who wants to go out with a fully loaded assault rifle? o_O”
Actual quote from Schroedinger’s Rapist.
“My activities after dark are curtailed. Unless I am in a densely-occupied, well-lit space, I won’t go out alone. Even then, I prefer to have a friend or two, or my dogs, with me. Do you follow rules like these?”
This is an almost exact analogy to a man telling us he is uncomfortable leaving his home without a fully loaded assault rifle. Yet somehow the woman gets respect and support in her demand that the environment should change. The man is labelled as a paranoid psychotic.
Why can’t any troll spell my 3 letter name? XD
Um… you notice that it didn’t say what you said it did xD You’re just claiming that it’s analogaous xD
So basically the answer to my question of “What specifically are you referring to” is… yourself XD
It illustrates the very different standards when the same statement springs from a man and when it springs from a woman.
No it doesn’t xD
What’s the different standards? Who is setting them? xD So far it appears YOU would consider a man who goes out with a loaded assault rifle (are we doing that now? o_O), paranoid… and YOU think that women want to go out with loaded assault rifles XD
But you haven’t shown how there’s a “different standard” except apparently in your own opinion xD
And uh… you can have all the LAN parties you want xD You must have missed WHAT ppl were upset about that case XD
It was cuz they claimed that they were doing it because they didn’t think their male players could stop themselves from sexually harassing female gamers… which is a) pretty insulting to the male players and b) condescending to the female players >_>
THAT’S why ppl were upset xD
Nobody is stopping you from having your all male LAN parties ffs xD Me and Zhinxy hang out together all the time without *GASP* MEN!
Oh wait… nobody gets angry at us…
SEE SEE DOUBLE STANDARD!! IF ME AND ZHINXY WERE MEN THE FEMINIST BLACK HELICOPTERS WOULD BE LANDING XD
“Great, so the next time me and my buddies decide we are going to hold a lan party for men only because we don’t know if the women that will attend are going to be like the last assholes that made our lives living hells, we can just refer to you when we are called out on being sexist assholes.
That is good to know.”
. Are you holding a private LAN party? Then yeah, invite only men to the party, if that’s what you want. If you guys have reasons for feeling uncomfortable around PEOPLE YOU DO NOT KNOW, then go ahead, I guess. You’re under no obligation to invite people to your party. If you are in fact, a sexist asshole, and people call you that, you can still invite anybody you want to your private party.
Are you, like a game publisher or store and you’re holding a PUBLIC MEN ONLY LAN party CAUSE WOMEN SUCK? Well, that’s pretty stupid and shitty, but okay. And feminists can complain about that and boycott you and get you negative publicity. Most people care more about that than some dudes private lan party.
Also, you can refer to me if you want, but I don’t speak WITH THE VOICE OF FEMINISM.
Just fyi.
LIES
IF FEMINISTS WERE DOING IT WE’D GET GRANTS FROM THE GOVERNMENT
AND MEN WHO GOT ANGRY AT US WOULD BE SHOT BY LOADED ASSAULT RIFLES
THAT SHOOT DOGS
DOGS WITH BEES IN THEIR MOUTHS!
HEY Y’ALL I AM HOSTING A PARTY AT MY HOUSE TONIGHT!!! ONLY WOMEN AND MANGINAS ARE INVITED! MEN ARE BANNED. COMPLETELY AND UTTERLY BANNED!
Anon WOULD protest but he can’t… cuz of the double standard… xD
It’s like a magical gag order… even NWO can’t protest… the double standard prevents him from doing so xD
AND THE BEES SHOOT DECEPTICONS
AND THE DECEPTICONS ARE CRAPPY REPAINTS!
THEY’RE GREY TRIANGLES
NOOOOOOOOO!
Is that really a pic of you ami? eww… creepy.
An exact parallel to a woman not wanting to leave the house after dark without friends or a dog is a man not wanting to leave his house after dark unaccompanied by friends or a dog. Where did the gun come in? Is this like one of those SAT questions? Woman : friends :: man : gun?
Also, you may have read Schroedinger’s Rapist, but the comprehension level appears to be not so great. The idea doesn’t have anything to do with the woman in question demanding that the environment should change. The woman is merely stating that under certain circumstances, she will act certain ways. Further, she says that if men want to not creep her out immediately, they should be aware that certain behaviors creep her out.
I guess you can do that. I don’t know much about LAN parties, but if the only women you might invite to something are complete strangers and you don’t trust them — well, I guess I’m not sure who’s going to call you a sexist asshole anyway. These stranger-women you’ve never talked to? Hey, maybe you’re a sexist asshole because your buddies and women are exclusive groups. You don’t know even one woman well enough to trust her not to make your lives “living hells”?
I mean, if you want to only invite men to a thing, knock yourself out. If you distrust women until you get to know them, by all means take things at your own pace. Please, let everyone know that some random people on the internet have approved this behavior for you.
Yay!
Double yay!
Oh no … Ami’s been negged! Watch out, Ami! Next up is kino escalation… *shudder*
I think that “ewww, you’re ugly” is what they say when they’re losing the argument… xD
Anon: Short story. If a man said he was so afraid of his enviroment that he felt uncomfortable leaving his home without carrying a fully loaded assault rifle he would be labeled as a paranoid psychotic.
Which isn’t what Shr&oml;dinger’s Rapist says. I (a male) have lived in a lot of less than savory neighborhoods. I look at people as, “Schrödinger’s Attacker. Anyone on the street (man/woman/child/cop) might choose to attack me in somewise.
Based on the apparent ability (distance, equippage) I categorise them, and prepare to deal with what might happen. Circumstance will dictate just how much I worry (9 a.m. on Bleeker Street in NYC is very different from 1 a.m. on Reseda in Chatsworth).
That is what “any man might be a rapist” is about. Since, all things considered, the evidence show rapists to be quieter, and more calculating, than the iconic, “stranger in the shadows”, it’s a lot harder on women (because of the consistent narrative that the stranger in the shadows is the thing to fear; and the idea that anything less than beig beaten to compliance isn’t really rape) I don’t blame women a bit if they think all men might be rapists.
I watched someone a couple of weeks ago, at a conference, who was engaging in creepy (if not rapey) behavior. Invasions of personal space, unwilling to break off physical contact, insistence on private time to talk, moving to take an arm; in an apparent attempt to create some of the aforementioned more private conversation.
All while being told his advances were unwelcome.
Ah… you elaborate: “My activities after dark are curtailed. Unless I am in a densely-occupied, well-lit space, I won’t go out alone. Even then, I prefer to have a friend or two, or my dogs, with me. Do you follow rules like these?”
This is an almost exact analogy to a man telling us he is uncomfortable leaving his home without a fully loaded assault rifle.
No, it’s not. There is no analogy to draw. She said what she thinks makes her feel safer. You compared it to something quite different and said they were the same.
What is amusing (for values of amusing which border on the pathetic) is what you are mocking, is precisely what a lot of men tell women they need to do to prevent rape.
Never go out alone, buy a dog, don’t put yourself in any place/situation where yo are vulnerable.
When an actual woman says doing such things are the only way she can feel safe, men like you clutch their pearls and say, “Oh My God”, she thinks she might get raped if she doesn’t do that.
Great, so the next time me and my buddies decide we are going to hold a lan party for men only because we don’t know if the women that will attend are going to be like the last assholes that made our lives living hells, we can just refer to you when we are called out on being sexist assholes.
Nice piece of lying about what happened.
They admitted that male members of the group were being assholes to the females who wanted to play. So, to avoid trouble they kicked out the women.
That, my boy, is being a sexist asshole, and if you do that, you deserve to called on it.
What they could have done was instituted a non-harrassment policy, and kicked out (no refund) anyone who was abusive to other people at the event.
They didn’t. The chose to reward the assholes (by keeping the women out) and then got all butthurt when they were, properly, mocked.
Is that really her? are you serious? oh my… no wonder you seem angry. Beauty isn’t the only thing that is important, a good heart goes a long way.
I, personally, get angry about any private party run by strangers to which I’m not invited. I’m pretty sure there was a kid’s birthday party down the street, and I didn’t get an invite. What jerks. There was probably cake!
Seriously Anonymous, nobody cares who you bring to your private party with friends. Pecunium has already explained how that is very different from the Battlefield 3 launch party that sparked so much discussion back in July.
@Ami: Welp, it looks like you’re going to have to retire your feminist chaps and spurs. Doyourownresearch doesn’t find you attractive, so you’ve lost the right to have opinions. No doubt you’re crushed not to have received the coveted “a stranger on the Internet considers me screw-worthy” button, but it can’t be helped.