Manosphere dudes – MRAs, MGTOWers, PUAs and whatever other acronyms they will eventually invent – love to tell themselves little “just so” stories about women. One of their favorite stories is the story of the Bad Boy Cock Carousel.
The gist of it: Women in their twenties are at the height of their physical beauty. So they act like entitled bitches, sleeping with every Bad Boy and Alpha Asshole there is and ignoring the humble, honest, hardworking “nice guy” betas silently pining for them.
But once these mean girls hit the age of 27 or so, they suddenly become ugly monsters, and the bad boys stop returning their calls. So then the evil ladies try to glom on to the nearest beta male in an attempt to marry him and steal all of his money.
But the beta males don’t want none of that used-up pussy, and so they Go Their Own Way and everyone ends up forever alone. Or the guys learn “game” and start banging the hotties. Or they just go back to posting sammich jokes on Reddit. I think these are all supposed to be happy endings, because at least the evil bitches get their comeuppance.
Recently, someone posted a n especially creepy version of this Manosphere fairy tale in the comments here; it turned out to have been cut and pasted from a comment on Roissy/Heartiste’s “game” blog by a guy who calls himself PhillyBoy81. It’s long; I trimmed it a little for space.
“[A]lpha males” are doing all the rest of us a favor in the long run. They operate very much like short sellers in the dating market, exposing fraud and helping to discover the true prices of commodities (women).
Yep, we’re on the express train to Doucheytown.
Let’s take a 21-year old chick who’s between a 7/8 (cute to pretty. … She can pretty much get sex whenever she wants it and with whomever she wants to have it with. And that is ultimately her downfall.
Young women (and some older ones) have an overinflated sense of the value of their vaginas. I mean, they have Wharton MBAs paying for exotic trips and they’re drinking Cosmos in the VIP with the Wizards.
Apparently this is just how women in their early twenties live. Who knew?
Since they are able to get such easy access to “alpha” dick, it follows logically that they should also have access to “alpha” wealth, marriage, and the lifestyle that accompanies all of that, right?
Wrong. See, when women gain this enormous sense of pussy power, they swing for the fences. … So, the cute guy with a 3.8 GPA, but no car? Nope, not good enough. The nice-looking pre-med student? “Nah, I’ll just get back to him later. I heard Jude Law’s hotter brother is transferring here this semester.”
This had me worried for a second, but I looked it up: Jude Law does not have a “hotter brother,” or indeed a brother at all, which is good news for all straight men of equal or lesser hotness than Jude Law.
Anyway, back to the evil women:
They invariably end up overplaying their hand. They chase these players looking to get a ring, and then that ring never comes. So now they’re 27. It’s a good thing she kept that pre-med Johns Hopkins student in her back pocket just in case things didn’t work out with the player, right?
Wrong again. In a vacuum, women would have their way. Men beg for sex. Women decide whether to give it to them (and for most guys, they will not give it to you). But luckily, we don’t live in a vacuum. We live in the real world with social constraints, and there are two that work distinctly to a man’s advantage: reputation and age. …
Ladies don’t think … we won’t remember your bitchiness. And don’t think we won’t remember those guys who you ran behind like a cum bucket.
Hmm. I’m pretty sure the only place buckets are gifted with mobility is in old Disney cartoons.
We remember. And we punish.
When a man sleeps with 100 chicks, he’s a stud. When a woman sleeps with JUST ONE guy, that eliminates you as wifey material to ALL of his friends. …
Apparently penises have a sort of reverse-Midas Touch thing going on: every woman who touches one turns into a filthy, used-up slut.
The height of a woman’s value, in terms of her value as a long term partner, is around the age of 27. That is the praecipice. The older she gets, the more her singlehood gets scrutinized by men. Why the hell is she still single? Who’s cock has she been sucking all these years?
Clearly that is the first question every straight man should ask himself whenever he sees a single woman older than the age of 27. (Just make sure you don’t actually ask this question out loud; it doesn’t go over well.)
[L]et’s face it, what virile, successful bachelor wants to entertain a 29 or 30 year old as wifey potential. She’s going to want to become a baby factory right away and rip away the last vestiges of your freedom. I don’t think so. It’s now my time to swing for the fences and bang some of these 21 year olds that I couldn’t bang in college.
Hello creepy older dude lurking in the shadows at the frat party!
In conclusion, a woman’s value is really defined by the type of man who puts a ring on her finger, not the type of guy who will fuck her. It takes a lot of women a long time to understand this, and thus, they overplay their hand. If it wasn’t for the players dogging them out, these women would not get a sense of their true value and start to seek out men who fit within their price range.
It’s all about market equilibrium, yo! SCIENCE!
So that’s the story. It’s a stupid story. It’s not a true story. But it’s the story that manosphere dudes, like young children, want to hear over and over and over.
But I haven’t even gotten to the best part. Our pal MarkyMark, an excitable and somewhat addled Man Going His Own Way, reposted PhillyBoy81’s comment on his blog. In the comments there (as Man Boobz commenter Wetherby pointed out) we find this little gem:
A man is not being respected if the woman he is with has spent her youth, beauty and fertility on someone else.
Yep, that’s right. I’m just going to repeat that, because, wow.
A man is not being respected if the woman he is with has spent her youth, beauty and fertility on someone else.
All women older than 27 or so who date or marry men are disrespecting these men because … they are older than 27. Apparently women age out of spite. Maturation is misandry!
I thought you were going thorough razorblades and bandages…
You take that back of I’m telling my mom not to let you into my basem… of operations anymore!
Maybe if a MAN finds an indentured sex worker that he really like he can buy her from the Klava house, or whatever the Gorian coffee shops are called….
I agree with Holly. 😉
Once again, a woman’s value or worthiness is not based on her vagina.
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Damn you, fingers! I’ve probably broken the italics now, too. The rest of that comment was that, yet again, a woman’s “prime” is not related to her vagina (and how much any specific individual wants to bang it).
Excuse plot games like Azure Dreams? Absolutely. Take, say, Disgaea? Well, unless I’ve underestimated porn… XD
(This is better than a troll derail seriously)
@ darksidecat I cited a study, talking about parental fraud and no stated parentage. Calling me racist for using sources and evidence is just stupid.
No, Ullere. you cited a study about parental discrepancy. That’s not the same as fraud, because fraud requires a deliberate mistruth, and not simply being mistaken.
I said perfect world; in it, all rapists (and only rapists) would get their dicks bit off and would know how to apply tourniquets as needed. Also flying ponies and infinite chocolate. Better? 😀
Much better. 🙂
Bagelsan, that’s really, really not funny.
Okay, so if women aging is misandric, I need to apologize. Time keeps passing, and I age as time passes. I promise this is not intentional on my part. When I get to age 35, I can wear a scarlet O for old on my clothes as penance for my aging.
Rutee: Maybe Disgaea is, like, the Lost Girls or Xxxenophile of console RPGs?
Doyourownresearch: I’ve had people want to have sex with me, and I’ve had people write me fan mail, and let me tell you– one of these makes me feel far more powerful than the other. I know this is weird for someone who got zir start as a sexblogger and who still talks about sex a lot, but there are more important things in life than sex. My worth is not based on who finds me attractive.
You know, this thread has got me thinking, and I wanted to share, in the hopes that a little of what I’m about to say might penetrate some of the troll’s heads:
There is absolutely zero chance I would have gone out with my boyfriend if I’d met him sooner. And I love him more than anyone else I’ve ever known, more than everyone else I’ve dated or crushed on combined.
If we’d met before I hit puberty and started being interested in boys at all, I wouldn’t have been interested because I didn’t want to date any boys.
If we’d met after I started being interested in boys – say, when I was 13 – I wouldn’t have been interested because our age and experience difference at that point in life would have been so great as to make his interest seriously creepy.
If we’d met when I was in high school and he was in college, I wouldn’t have been interested, because at the time he was really into drugs and the party scene, and I simply wasn’t.
If we’d met when I started college and he was in law school, I wouldn’t have been interested, because he had figured out that he was really into pretty hardcore BDSM, and I still thought “oral sex” was something only the most utterly wild and outrageous couples did. (I laugh at my younger self a lot. I was so darn cute and naive.)
If we’d met when I was in college, I wouldn’t have been interested, because I was deeply submerged in classical music performance and really wanted to date guys who could share that aspect of my life.
And if we’d met during the several years after college, I wouldn’t have been interested because I had gone through some pretty major trauma and wasn’t interested in dating anyone.
What’s extra fun about this list is that every item on it works backwards. He wouldn’t have wanted to date me when he was 13 or 18 or 25 either. He had no more interest in picking up barely-pubescent girls when he was starting college than I did in being picked up by college guys. He wanted to date women who shared interests with him, too. He didn’t want to date someone who was so traumatized that she had a panic attack if someone so much as casually touched her. He wouldn’t have “given me the time of day” in the past, either. (Well, actually, he would have, because he’s a good guy who’s decent to people even when he doesn’t want to fuck them. He would have been unfailingly friendly and courteous to me. He just wouldn’t have gone out with me.) I am truly, utterly baffled by the notion that this somehow means we don’t adore each other NOW, or that he must be some sort of consolation prize because I dated other guys before him, back when he and I were different people and wanted different things than we do today.
What, some rare gem? It’s unusually hilarious, but the only ‘rare’ thing about it is that it is a comedy while being a strategy RPG.
@thebionicmommy: I’m 56 and loving the hell out of being a CRONE (not quite post menopausal, but soon I hope).
ithiliana, I’m 31, and I think life is better now that it ever was in my teens or twenties. I’ve noticed I’ve mellowed as time goes on, and I’m better able to handle stress with the experiences of my life. If being past 30 repels misogynists, then that’s a added bonus.
ithiliana:
A 53-year-old friend designed a T-shirt for herself with a bat on it and the slogan ‘Menopausal Old Bat’. She wears it proudly in public, and has had quite a few people ask her where she bought it.
Which bit? The initial hypothetical rape?
Nothing racist at all about linking to a study by confused and arrogant white people about native americans refusing to go along with white people’s kinship customs and registration rules and referring to it as “fraud”, nothing at all…(rolls eyes)
Now we’re going to get another
six weeks of winterin a series of unending posts on how Sharron Osborn is a leading FYMYNYST figure head who is calling for LITERALLY all men to be castrated in public while EBIL WYMYNZ laugh.…sigh. 🙁
No pumpking pie for you!
None of it. I just found the whole scenario horrible and unamusing.
In all fairness my contribution to the scenario only began after the hypothetical rape had started, so I hardly think the dick-biting was the worst thing going on in hypothetical Dickbitetopia. But I solemnly swear I will not bite anything off of anyone who does not try to stick it in me non-consensually. *crosses heart*
And yup, cynickal, inb4 some MRA flips his shit that women are allowed to hypothetically engage in self-defense (even the mean kind!) But I’d probably cry harder on their behalf if they weren’t literally trying to get female college students murdered as we speak. :p
Ullere: ‘Rates vary between studies from 0.8% to 30%’
I guess it’s a pretty hard to study phenomenon, short of making dna tests compulsory at birth
a range of 29.2% is pretty broad.
It’s so broad that one of two conclusions must be reached. The subject being studied isn’t anywhere near confirmed, or that more than one subject is actually being tested, and none of the results can be co-related.
In any case what it tells me is the data, don’t have enough evidence to support your assertions.
I consider myself to be fairly well-traveled for a USian, but I don’t think I’ll be visiting Dickbiteopia any time soon.
Whatever: If you study straight porn, you’ll see the physical difference between female newcomers with not much sexual experience and female old-timers who’re very much experienced. The newcomer’s bodies are firm, smooth, and clear; as time passes, and they become oldtimers, their bodies become sagging, wrinkled, and blemished. This is especially true with their genitalia: the appearance of a NC as compared to the appearance of a OT is like that of a grape as compared to that of a a raisin. And of course, there’s the feel: unless the old-timers do kegel exercises, they feel looser and coarser, as compared to newcomers who feel tighter and smoother.
ROFL.
If you look at real women’s vulvae*, you will discover something…each one is unique. Some are dark, and some are pale, and some have visible labia minora, and some don’t. This is irrespective of age, number of partners, fondness for toys, having had children, etc. (this is based on study of photos, and real women).
From a personal perspective, “tight” is not related to experience, or things like giving birth, being fisted, etc.
To sum up, you are obviously not speaking from experience; clueless, sexist, and stupid.
*one wonders how whatever is able to say what the “feel” of a woman’s vagina is, based on watching porn.