Manosphere dudes – MRAs, MGTOWers, PUAs and whatever other acronyms they will eventually invent – love to tell themselves little “just so” stories about women. One of their favorite stories is the story of the Bad Boy Cock Carousel.
The gist of it: Women in their twenties are at the height of their physical beauty. So they act like entitled bitches, sleeping with every Bad Boy and Alpha Asshole there is and ignoring the humble, honest, hardworking “nice guy” betas silently pining for them.
But once these mean girls hit the age of 27 or so, they suddenly become ugly monsters, and the bad boys stop returning their calls. So then the evil ladies try to glom on to the nearest beta male in an attempt to marry him and steal all of his money.
But the beta males don’t want none of that used-up pussy, and so they Go Their Own Way and everyone ends up forever alone. Or the guys learn “game” and start banging the hotties. Or they just go back to posting sammich jokes on Reddit. I think these are all supposed to be happy endings, because at least the evil bitches get their comeuppance.
Recently, someone posted a n especially creepy version of this Manosphere fairy tale in the comments here; it turned out to have been cut and pasted from a comment on Roissy/Heartiste’s “game” blog by a guy who calls himself PhillyBoy81. It’s long; I trimmed it a little for space.
“[A]lpha males” are doing all the rest of us a favor in the long run. They operate very much like short sellers in the dating market, exposing fraud and helping to discover the true prices of commodities (women).
Yep, we’re on the express train to Doucheytown.
Let’s take a 21-year old chick who’s between a 7/8 (cute to pretty. … She can pretty much get sex whenever she wants it and with whomever she wants to have it with. And that is ultimately her downfall.
Young women (and some older ones) have an overinflated sense of the value of their vaginas. I mean, they have Wharton MBAs paying for exotic trips and they’re drinking Cosmos in the VIP with the Wizards.
Apparently this is just how women in their early twenties live. Who knew?
Since they are able to get such easy access to “alpha” dick, it follows logically that they should also have access to “alpha” wealth, marriage, and the lifestyle that accompanies all of that, right?
Wrong. See, when women gain this enormous sense of pussy power, they swing for the fences. … So, the cute guy with a 3.8 GPA, but no car? Nope, not good enough. The nice-looking pre-med student? “Nah, I’ll just get back to him later. I heard Jude Law’s hotter brother is transferring here this semester.”
This had me worried for a second, but I looked it up: Jude Law does not have a “hotter brother,” or indeed a brother at all, which is good news for all straight men of equal or lesser hotness than Jude Law.
Anyway, back to the evil women:
They invariably end up overplaying their hand. They chase these players looking to get a ring, and then that ring never comes. So now they’re 27. It’s a good thing she kept that pre-med Johns Hopkins student in her back pocket just in case things didn’t work out with the player, right?
Wrong again. In a vacuum, women would have their way. Men beg for sex. Women decide whether to give it to them (and for most guys, they will not give it to you). But luckily, we don’t live in a vacuum. We live in the real world with social constraints, and there are two that work distinctly to a man’s advantage: reputation and age. …
Ladies don’t think … we won’t remember your bitchiness. And don’t think we won’t remember those guys who you ran behind like a cum bucket.
Hmm. I’m pretty sure the only place buckets are gifted with mobility is in old Disney cartoons.
We remember. And we punish.
When a man sleeps with 100 chicks, he’s a stud. When a woman sleeps with JUST ONE guy, that eliminates you as wifey material to ALL of his friends. …
Apparently penises have a sort of reverse-Midas Touch thing going on: every woman who touches one turns into a filthy, used-up slut.
The height of a woman’s value, in terms of her value as a long term partner, is around the age of 27. That is the praecipice. The older she gets, the more her singlehood gets scrutinized by men. Why the hell is she still single? Who’s cock has she been sucking all these years?
Clearly that is the first question every straight man should ask himself whenever he sees a single woman older than the age of 27. (Just make sure you don’t actually ask this question out loud; it doesn’t go over well.)
[L]et’s face it, what virile, successful bachelor wants to entertain a 29 or 30 year old as wifey potential. She’s going to want to become a baby factory right away and rip away the last vestiges of your freedom. I don’t think so. It’s now my time to swing for the fences and bang some of these 21 year olds that I couldn’t bang in college.
Hello creepy older dude lurking in the shadows at the frat party!
In conclusion, a woman’s value is really defined by the type of man who puts a ring on her finger, not the type of guy who will fuck her. It takes a lot of women a long time to understand this, and thus, they overplay their hand. If it wasn’t for the players dogging them out, these women would not get a sense of their true value and start to seek out men who fit within their price range.
It’s all about market equilibrium, yo! SCIENCE!
So that’s the story. It’s a stupid story. It’s not a true story. But it’s the story that manosphere dudes, like young children, want to hear over and over and over.
But I haven’t even gotten to the best part. Our pal MarkyMark, an excitable and somewhat addled Man Going His Own Way, reposted PhillyBoy81’s comment on his blog. In the comments there (as Man Boobz commenter Wetherby pointed out) we find this little gem:
A man is not being respected if the woman he is with has spent her youth, beauty and fertility on someone else.
Yep, that’s right. I’m just going to repeat that, because, wow.
A man is not being respected if the woman he is with has spent her youth, beauty and fertility on someone else.
All women older than 27 or so who date or marry men are disrespecting these men because … they are older than 27. Apparently women age out of spite. Maturation is misandry!
I don’t think you can take one quote, the one about disrespect at the end, and say it applies to all men in the man-o-sphere. That’s silly logic. As for this “silly” story:
“Women in their twenties are at the height of their physical beauty. So they act like entitled bitches, sleeping with every Bad Boy and Alpha Asshole there is and ignoring the humble, honest, hardworking “nice guy” betas silently pining for them.
“But once these mean girls hit the age of 27 or so, they suddenly become ugly monsters, and the bad boys stop returning their calls. So then the evil ladies try to glom on to the nearest beta male in an attempt to marry him and steal all of his money.”
There is no truth to it? All you can do is try and call it “silly” and a “fantasy” but that doesn’t prove that it is. It’s rather simplified, but there’s a truth to that. It wasn’t beyond me the over estimated sense of importance many of the young women I knew in middle school had. You certainly have no problem with pointing out the flaws in men. But what? We can’t have any criticism of the nature of women in society? Aww, now that’s not fair! What happened to equality?
“The thing about women and fear in public spaces, esp. after dark is that you can’t win. If they respond with caution, as they have been told to do, then they are “paranoid” and “man-hating”. If they respond with boldness and doing what the fuck they want, they are “emasculating”, “man hating”, and “not taking proper precautions” (women who are raped by strangers, a slim minority of rapes, are often blamed as not being cautious enough). If a woman doesn’t drink because she fears a man might rape her when she is drunk is a paranoid bitch. If a woman does drink, she is seen as “asking for it” when someone assaults or rapes her. There is a social double bind here for women that there isn’t for men.”
Since when? Oh, because you say it is. The “poor women can never win” card is an instant shamer – it doesn’t matter how true or false it is. It requires no justification: It Just Is.
“Young women”? Middle school? Maybe they were a little ignorant of their real place in the world on account of how they were twelve years old.
We’re pointing out the flaws in MRAs. Men, as a gender, do not have any flaws women don’t. (We also don’t think that “aging beyond 27” is a terrible flaw in either gender.)
And calling something “shaming” seems to be MRA-speak for “I don’t have to respond to that argument because it made me feel bad.“
Maybe Eimos is a high schooler?
We already had an MRA figure out that teenagers are kind of stupid today; thank goodness we’ve had another one show up to enlighten us with the revelation that 12-year-olds are ALSO kind of stupid.
(I’m much more amazed/disturbed by the idea that 12-year-olds are “women.” Yeesh.)
Eimos: Can you read for content? The “can’t win” was played out in this very thread. Women were told that having the fear they are told they need to have (only go out with some form of protection, don’t drink in public places, etc.) was unreasonable.
That it was akin to the paranoid delusions of someone who thinks having an assault weapon is needful, 24/7.
Tellig women that being careful is paranoia, that’s not shaming. Taking middle schoolers and using them to model all women, that’s not overgeneralising.
Saying women are just bitter because when they hit 27 they will be old and ugly, so they need to hook up with a guy now, when they are still young; and might be worth fucking, that’s not shaming.
Telling them that having opinions is being abusive to men, that’s not shaming.
Right. It’s not that you are opposed to shaming language, it’s that you don’t like people pointing out that you have behaved shamefully.
quick note, since I’m only at the computer for five minutes (everybody around me is getting sick! I blame the FDA!) it’s important to remember that between SNAKE OIL and FDA (and yes, including the pure food and drug act) we had the AMA acting as a watchdog group, and things were not “so bad.”
http://radgeek.com/gt/2006/04/13/how_physicians/
Regardless, Meller didn’t go to sane libertarian school for very long, if ever, because the answer is not BUSINESSMEN WILL BE HONEST! CAUSE PROFIT! The answer is we will form independent, interlocking regulatory bodies, local watchdog groups, consumer rights protection agencies, and in other words, REGULATE THE EVER LIVING FUCK OUT OF SHIT. Just not with ebil govmint. 😉 Note, I may still be “wrong” here, and I fully expect you all to think I am, which is beans; cool – but I’m not claiming PROFIT MAKES PEOPLE HONEST, and if Meller wants out of libertarian kindergarten, neither should he.
AAAGH, WRONG COMENT THREAD! STUPID FDA APPROVED DRUGS!
ignore that comment, it wasn’t supposed to be a comment here, it was a chatlog draft comment only partially reworked into the masterpiece comment that is now in hole lotta hate. Zhinxy disclaims this comment. If you mention this comment to zhinxy, she will cut you. 😉
(I’m much more amazed/disturbed by the idea that 12-year-olds are “women.” Yeesh.)
I read that as “When I was around 12-13 and hitting puberty and figuring out that girls were kinda interesting, those girls weren’t following all over me. I have nursed this adolescent grievance into my adult years and projected it onto all women, because it’s more comforting to believe all women are evil than to consider whether I, myself, am a douchecanoe.”
Cassandra: I was a steampunk dandy, but a lot of people thought I was either the Phantom or some Sebastian person.
Eimos: Troll harder, dearie.
You got mistaken for Sebastian? Lucky!
I wrote this in the comments section over at the article mentioned in this post:
Monsieur Futrelle,
Is it fair to say that you’re a laissez-faire sexual capitalist? 😛
LOLz
By that I mean that you essentially favor free markets in mating just like many third wave feminists do(think ‘sex in the city’). What the bloggers whom you quoted in red italics are saying, is a begrudgingly excoriation of the free market being unleashed into sexual politics so-to-speak. Perhaps they’d like to think of themselves as the “99%” of menz out there who are butthurt that it is the 1% whom these attractive young women in their early 20s just can’t get enough of…..
Mens’ Rights Activists are hysterical, childish, dishonest, irrational, unable to think objectively and critically, and have a huge sense of entitlement. In short, they are everything they claim women to be.
That’s when we say in my country: “then let them marry a hymen.”