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Men’s Rights site A Voice for Men offers $1000 “bounty” for personal information on Swedish feminists

A Voice for Men, one of the most influential and popular Men’s Rights websites, is now offering a $1000 “bounty” for anyone able to track down the personal information of several Swedish women involved in a tasteless video advertising a theater production based on Valarie Solanas’ SCUM manifesto. As the anonymous poster calling himself John the Other – the second-in-command at AVfM – put it in a posting yesterday (emphasis in original):

We are asking for the full legal names, home addresses, places of employment, email addresses and contact phone numbers of the women and man who produced and starred in the video described above. We will pay 1000 dollars to any individual who provides and confirms this information, to be paid either directly to themselves or to a charity of their choice.

John explains that this information will be posted on the AVfM-affiliated site Register-Her.com, an “offenders database” that is being used to vilify individual feminists and “Fuck Their Shit Up,” as AVfM head honcho Paul Elam likes to put it. John notes that Regsiter-Her.com also intends to post the “government identification numbers [and] drivers licences” of the women they are able to identify.

John admits plainly that posting such information may put the physical safety of these women at risk from vigilante violence. As he puts it (emphasis mine):

Some individuals may criticize the intent to publish not only names, but also addresses, phone numbers, employers and other personal information – on the grounds that such exposure create a risk of retributive violence against individuals who openly advocate murder based on sex. It is the considered position of the editorial board of AVfM that any such risks are out-weighed by the ongoing hazard to the public of these individuals continuing to operate in anonymity.

The comments posted on the article at AVfM suggest that such “retributive” violence is a real possibility. Indeed, here’s the very first comment (which currently has 17 upvotes from readers of the site):

A commenter called  Xnomolos, in another upvoted comment, adds:

i would love to hunt down these women myself.

JinnBottle responds to this comment by advising “all men to start carrying guns.”

The commenters on AVfM have already uncovered the identities of all of the women involved in the video. The blogger Fidelbogen has been the most active internet detective so far.

There is no question that the video itself is offensive, and designed to provoke. You can see it here; I’m not going to embed it on this site. If you don’t want to watch it: it depicts a young woman shooting a man in the head for no reason. Afterwards the woman and her gleeful, giggling accomplices do a victory dance, then lick the blood from the dead man’s head. A message at the end urges viewers to “Do Your Part.”

Every feminist I know who has seen the video has been appalled by it. I’m appalled by it. It’s hateful, and it’s wrong.

But John the Other, and the other commenters on AVfM, claim that it is more than this: that that the video of the staged murder, intended to provide publicity for a theater production based on Solanas’ notorious SCUM manifesto, is quite literally an open call for the murder of men. As John the Other puts it:

Open advocation of murder cannot be allowed in a civil society, without that society devolving into a culture of brutal violence.

Evidently he has no problem with, or has somehow not noticed, the comments on AVfM fantasizing about shooting and killing the women involved in the video.

Is the video a literal call to murder? Is it, as one AVfM commenter puts it, evidence of a “conspiracy to commit mass murder?” No. Violence and murder have been dramatized in the theater since its beginnings. No one accuses Sophocles of advocating fratricide and incest, though both are dealt with in his play Oedipus Rex. No one accuses Shakespeare of advocating mass murder, though many of his most famous plays have body counts that put many horror films to shame.

Does the tag line at the end of the video – “do your part” – transform the video from a depiction of murder  into an open call for it? No. The “threat,” such as it is, is vague; it’s not aimed at any specific individuals. It might be seen as akin to someone wearing a t-shirt that says “kill ‘em all, let God sort them out” – tasteless and offensive, but not a literal threat.  “Kill ‘Em All” is actually the name of Metallica’s first album. While a lot of people see James Hetfield,  Lars Ulrich et al as pompous idiots, they have not been jailed for conspiracy to commit mass murder. That would be ridiculous.

Someone claiming to have been involved in the SCUM-inspired theatrical production in question has posted several detailed comments on AVfM, explaining that those involved in the production are “not out to get you” and that the video itself was “meant as a viral “wtf?!” to give attention to both the questions that it raises and the play itself.”

By contrast, AVfM is targeting specific individuals, and intends to offer information that would allow anyone intent on doing them harm to quite literally track them to their homes and workplaces. Those fantasizing about killing these woman are not simply making a joke along the lines of “women, can’t live with ‘em; can’t kill ‘em.” They are fantasizing about killing real people, and providing would-be evil-doers maps to their doors.

AVfM is an American site, in English; these specific women live in Sweden. While it is a real possibility, it seems unlikely that anyone reading the site will literally find and murder any of those involved in the SCUM production. At least I hope that this does not come to pass.

I don’t believe that either Paul Elam or John the Other literally wants any feminist to be killed. The real intent behind AVfM’s publishing people’s personal information, it seems clear, is to intimidate feminist writers and activists into shutting up, to make clear that if they post something that offends the internet vigilantes at AVfM they will face the possibility of some deranged individual quite literally showing up at their door intent on doing them harm.

Paul Elam and John the Other claim that they’re not advocating violence. But they are playing a dangerous game here. If some deranged individual, inspired by the hyperbolic anti-feminist rhetoric on AVfM, and armed with information provided by “Register-Her.com,” murders or otherwise harms a feminist blogger or activist or video maker, Elam and his enablers will have blood on their hands. As will those MRAs who continue to publicly support and/or link to AVfM and/or Register-Her.com.

This is not the way a legitimate rights group deals with those who disagree with them. This is what hate groups do.

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Brandon
Brandon
13 years ago

@Laura: Asexual huh? Sucks to be you I guess.

Amused
13 years ago

@Amused: Actually I am pretty normal at a little over 6 inches.

I should have known Brandon was just waiting for an opportunity to talk about his penis.

Lauralot
Lauralot
13 years ago

“I love how he thinks he can spot a feminist on sight.”

Have you forgotten his special super secret screening process?!

He asks women if they’re feminists. It’s foolproof!

Brandon
Brandon
13 years ago

@Amused: Not really. But you made the claim that I think (like you actually know what I am thinking) I had a 20 inch dick.

I am proving you wrong.

Lauralot
Lauralot
13 years ago

I suppose Brandon would think a life without sex would be the worst thing in the world.

Sucks to be him, I guess.

hellkell
hellkell
13 years ago

Did not need to know your dick size or your vanilla sex life with Ashley, assuming she exists. You think you’re such hot shit.

I see you’ve done a lot with your day off.

Caraz
Caraz
13 years ago

If you listen carefully, you can hear the scratching sound of Brandon reaching the bottom of the barrel…

‘You are a Nazi’ and You are ugly’ is pretty much as low as one can get.

Amused
13 years ago

@Amused: Not really. But you made the claim that I think (like you actually know what I am thinking) I had a 20 inch dick.

I am proving you wrong.

The only thing you are proving is that you are incapable of understanding sarcasm.

Brandon
Brandon
13 years ago

@Laura: Nice oversimplification.

Lauralot
Lauralot
13 years ago

@Caraz: Don’t forget: YOU DON’T WANT MY PENIS? SUCKS TO BE YOU.

hellkell
hellkell
13 years ago

Have you forgotten his special super secret screening process?!

He asks women if they’re feminists. It’s foolproof!

I did forget. It’s also impossible that a woman would lie to save herself the fucking hassle to Captain Kink over here.

Brandon
Brandon
13 years ago

@Amused: What you fail to see is I am fucking with you too.

Lauralot
Lauralot
13 years ago

Brandon, we see everything you’re laying out there. You’re as transparent as a plastic wrap. And you have the same depth as well.

VoiP
VoiP
13 years ago

@Amused: What you fail to see is I am fucking with you too.

No we got that, it’s just that you suck at it.

hellkell
hellkell
13 years ago

You’re fucking with us by comparing Nazis and the KKK to feminism?

Slow down there, sling-blade.

Kyrie
Kyrie
13 years ago

Funny thing, Brandon, KKK and nazis tend to persecute and kill blacks and jews.
Meantimes, I don’t think they have any been more feminists men than nowadays.

Brandon
Brandon
13 years ago

@Caraz: Not really…but if you want to think that…feel free.

@Laura: Hey you could be a lesbian. I don’t want to sleep with you, but sex in general is rather enjoyable and it is a shame you don’t see it that way.

VoiP
VoiP
13 years ago

I did forget. It’s also impossible that a woman would lie to save herself the fucking hassle to Captain Kink over here.

“Are you a feminist?”
“As of two seconds ago, yes.”

Lauralot
Lauralot
13 years ago

It’s not that I don’t think sex isn’t enjoyable, it’s that I have no sexual attraction.

Read a fucking book.

Rutee Katreya
13 years ago

‘You are a Nazi’ and You are ugly’ is pretty much as low as one can get.

No it’s not; Keep watching.

VoiP
VoiP
13 years ago

No it’s not; Keep watching.

Now that we’ve started hitting a nerve, the knives may come out pretty soon.

The stupid, clumsy, poorly-thought-out knives.

hellkell
hellkell
13 years ago

Nice concern trolling attempt to Lauralot, jackass.

Read a damn book, Brandon.

Brandon
Brandon
13 years ago

@Voip: Funny, I can say the same about you….same insults all the time. In fact, I know what you are going to latch on to when you read my posts. Very predicable.

@hellkell: Yes I am comparing feminism to nazi’s and the KKK because all three are hate groups.

Lauralot
Lauralot
13 years ago

So you’ve adopted some of the principles of a hate group, then?

That speaks so well for yourself.

VoiP
VoiP
13 years ago

Brandon, man-on-man is pretty enjoyable and I’m really quite sorry you don’t see it that way.

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