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Men’s Rights site A Voice for Men offers $1000 “bounty” for personal information on Swedish feminists

A Voice for Men, one of the most influential and popular Men’s Rights websites, is now offering a $1000 “bounty” for anyone able to track down the personal information of several Swedish women involved in a tasteless video advertising a theater production based on Valarie Solanas’ SCUM manifesto. As the anonymous poster calling himself John the Other – the second-in-command at AVfM – put it in a posting yesterday (emphasis in original):

We are asking for the full legal names, home addresses, places of employment, email addresses and contact phone numbers of the women and man who produced and starred in the video described above. We will pay 1000 dollars to any individual who provides and confirms this information, to be paid either directly to themselves or to a charity of their choice.

John explains that this information will be posted on the AVfM-affiliated site Register-Her.com, an “offenders database” that is being used to vilify individual feminists and “Fuck Their Shit Up,” as AVfM head honcho Paul Elam likes to put it. John notes that Regsiter-Her.com also intends to post the “government identification numbers [and] drivers licences” of the women they are able to identify.

John admits plainly that posting such information may put the physical safety of these women at risk from vigilante violence. As he puts it (emphasis mine):

Some individuals may criticize the intent to publish not only names, but also addresses, phone numbers, employers and other personal information – on the grounds that such exposure create a risk of retributive violence against individuals who openly advocate murder based on sex. It is the considered position of the editorial board of AVfM that any such risks are out-weighed by the ongoing hazard to the public of these individuals continuing to operate in anonymity.

The comments posted on the article at AVfM suggest that such “retributive” violence is a real possibility. Indeed, here’s the very first comment (which currently has 17 upvotes from readers of the site):

A commenter called  Xnomolos, in another upvoted comment, adds:

i would love to hunt down these women myself.

JinnBottle responds to this comment by advising “all men to start carrying guns.”

The commenters on AVfM have already uncovered the identities of all of the women involved in the video. The blogger Fidelbogen has been the most active internet detective so far.

There is no question that the video itself is offensive, and designed to provoke. You can see it here; I’m not going to embed it on this site. If you don’t want to watch it: it depicts a young woman shooting a man in the head for no reason. Afterwards the woman and her gleeful, giggling accomplices do a victory dance, then lick the blood from the dead man’s head. A message at the end urges viewers to “Do Your Part.”

Every feminist I know who has seen the video has been appalled by it. I’m appalled by it. It’s hateful, and it’s wrong.

But John the Other, and the other commenters on AVfM, claim that it is more than this: that that the video of the staged murder, intended to provide publicity for a theater production based on Solanas’ notorious SCUM manifesto, is quite literally an open call for the murder of men. As John the Other puts it:

Open advocation of murder cannot be allowed in a civil society, without that society devolving into a culture of brutal violence.

Evidently he has no problem with, or has somehow not noticed, the comments on AVfM fantasizing about shooting and killing the women involved in the video.

Is the video a literal call to murder? Is it, as one AVfM commenter puts it, evidence of a “conspiracy to commit mass murder?” No. Violence and murder have been dramatized in the theater since its beginnings. No one accuses Sophocles of advocating fratricide and incest, though both are dealt with in his play Oedipus Rex. No one accuses Shakespeare of advocating mass murder, though many of his most famous plays have body counts that put many horror films to shame.

Does the tag line at the end of the video – “do your part” – transform the video from a depiction of murder  into an open call for it? No. The “threat,” such as it is, is vague; it’s not aimed at any specific individuals. It might be seen as akin to someone wearing a t-shirt that says “kill ‘em all, let God sort them out” – tasteless and offensive, but not a literal threat.  “Kill ‘Em All” is actually the name of Metallica’s first album. While a lot of people see James Hetfield,  Lars Ulrich et al as pompous idiots, they have not been jailed for conspiracy to commit mass murder. That would be ridiculous.

Someone claiming to have been involved in the SCUM-inspired theatrical production in question has posted several detailed comments on AVfM, explaining that those involved in the production are “not out to get you” and that the video itself was “meant as a viral “wtf?!” to give attention to both the questions that it raises and the play itself.”

By contrast, AVfM is targeting specific individuals, and intends to offer information that would allow anyone intent on doing them harm to quite literally track them to their homes and workplaces. Those fantasizing about killing these woman are not simply making a joke along the lines of “women, can’t live with ‘em; can’t kill ‘em.” They are fantasizing about killing real people, and providing would-be evil-doers maps to their doors.

AVfM is an American site, in English; these specific women live in Sweden. While it is a real possibility, it seems unlikely that anyone reading the site will literally find and murder any of those involved in the SCUM production. At least I hope that this does not come to pass.

I don’t believe that either Paul Elam or John the Other literally wants any feminist to be killed. The real intent behind AVfM’s publishing people’s personal information, it seems clear, is to intimidate feminist writers and activists into shutting up, to make clear that if they post something that offends the internet vigilantes at AVfM they will face the possibility of some deranged individual quite literally showing up at their door intent on doing them harm.

Paul Elam and John the Other claim that they’re not advocating violence. But they are playing a dangerous game here. If some deranged individual, inspired by the hyperbolic anti-feminist rhetoric on AVfM, and armed with information provided by “Register-Her.com,” murders or otherwise harms a feminist blogger or activist or video maker, Elam and his enablers will have blood on their hands. As will those MRAs who continue to publicly support and/or link to AVfM and/or Register-Her.com.

This is not the way a legitimate rights group deals with those who disagree with them. This is what hate groups do.

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Lauralot
Lauralot
13 years ago

Yeah, Brandon’s not an MRA at all…

Lauralot
Lauralot
13 years ago

Hey, remember when Lady Gaga said she believed in equality but was definitely not a feminist?

Yeah, an album later and she identifies as “blonde high-heeled feminists enlisting femmes.” So the moral here is, if women really care about equality, they they educate themselves and become feminists.

PosterformerlyknownasElizabeth

@Elizabeth: I would gladly treat women as equals..,feminists are just getting in my way of doing that.

How exactly? By pointing out that secretly videotaping women during sex without their consent is illegal? By demanding that Ashley have the ability to do what you wanted in the first place (support herself?)

hellkell
hellkell
13 years ago

Brandon, they’re lying to you. Most women would when confronted with a monumental jackass such as yourself. Sometimes lying is easier.

And you know what I love? For every sad little man like you, NWO, DKM, and some of our other trolls, there’s guys like Pecunium, Kirby, Cynickal on this board; and my husband, father, and male friends IRL. It give me hope that your kind is dying out.

Brandon
Brandon
13 years ago

@Laura: Again. I like parts of the mens rights agenda (mainly family and divorce court issues). But I don’t like everything that the MRA does.

http://www.glennsacks.com/confronting_women_bashing.htm

Caraz
Caraz
13 years ago

If they believe in equality then by definition they are feminists. It has in my experience been the stigma of the word itself that people are reluctant of rather than the values themselves. Oddly I’ve noticed more and more men and women say things that show they are at least feminist allies if not actually taking the identity themselves.

But Brandon seems a lot less genuine than he did before. It’s like he’s trying too hard to deliberately say inflammatory things now. Very few people could draw comparisons between feminism and the KKK with a straight face.

ithiliana
13 years ago

@Laura: Brandon doesn’t like everything the MRA does, but he HATES EVERYTHING FEMINISTS DO BECAUSE WE ARE JUST LIKE NAZIS.

One has to admire such objective, level-headed, rational evaluation…NOT.

Lauralot
Lauralot
13 years ago

Yeah, just like liking parts of the feminist agenda doesn’t stop you from screen feminists out of your potential dates and telling us we deserve to be treated like pieces of shit.

Not fooling anyone, dude. Maybe you don’t want the MRA label, but your misogyny is crystal clear.

VoiP
VoiP
13 years ago

Basically, if you say you are a feminist, I treat you like the piece of shit that you are. I would do the same to a Nazi or a member of the KKK.

Tell us more about how Above it All you are. 9_9

Amused
13 years ago

I am curious as to why Brandon chose teachers’s salaries for comparison with soldiers’. The implication is that teachers’ work has no value? Being an entry-level teacher requires far more education and expertise than being an entry-level soldier. I think the reason for Brandon’s comment is that he sees teaching as “women’s job” and therefore, by definition worthless.

Lauralot
Lauralot
13 years ago

“But Brandon seems a lot less genuine than he did before. It’s like he’s trying too hard to deliberately say inflammatory things now. Very few people could draw comparisons between feminism and the KKK with a straight face.”

He does seem much angrier lately. Maybe Ashley stopped letting him spank her.

Brandon
Brandon
13 years ago

@hellkell: Ya, and that is why when most girls are around me they have a big smile and are touching me. Last time I checked girls hugging and touching you signals they actually like you.,.not the other way around.

But you are correct, feminists don’t hug and touch me…they are typically too nasty, bitter and unattractive.

VoiP
VoiP
13 years ago

Basically, if you say you are a feminist, I treat you like the piece of shit that you are.

By…REFUSING TO DATE YOU.

Brandon, almost every woman in the world probably regards that as a boon. It’s like signing up for a bank account and getting a free toaster: if you are a feminist, Brandon will never bother you again. We should put that on the posters.

Lauralot
Lauralot
13 years ago

“But you are correct, feminists don’t hug and touch me…they are typically too nasty, bitter and unattractive.”

Urgent message from the pot! He says you’re black!

hellkell
hellkell
13 years ago

Oh, no, he called us ugly! SHIT JUST GOT REAL.

Rutee Katreya
13 years ago

I don’t hug and touch you because you are not my friend, Brandon, not because I am too nasty and bitter XD

PosterformerlyknownasElizabeth

Being compared to a nazi means that a woman is less inclined to be nice to you Brandon?

I am shocked!

Or maybe since you sound like the type of guy who goes to a lot of bars/clubs, they are just drunk.

Lauralot
Lauralot
13 years ago

Of course he goes to bars. Most of them have cameras.

Amused
13 years ago

@hellkell: Ya, and that is why when most girls are around me they have a big smile and are touching me. Last time I checked girls hugging and touching you signals they actually like you.,.not the other way around.

Yes, Brandon, we know. Like a typical Internet narcissist, you have a 20-inch schlong, having sex with you gives a woman a minor stroke from the 27 orgasms you give her, and every supermodel in existence wants your cock. Riiight.

Brandon
Brandon
13 years ago

@Laura: Ashley will be over shortly. She is just finishing work and I had today off. Needless to say, Ashley pretty much is very sexually open, So she likes everything from slow and passionate to thrown up against a wall and fucked. That’s why I love her!

She also makes me sandwiches too.

Let’s see:

Nazis….Jews
KKK…..Blacks
Feminism….Men

Lauralot
Lauralot
13 years ago

Godwin’s Law has never been evoked so hard.

Dude, we all know that you lie about Ashley, assuming Ashley even exists. You’re not impressing anyone, and you’re sure as hell not impressing an asexual.

Brandon
Brandon
13 years ago

@Amused: Actually I am pretty normal at a little over 6 inches.

Some women I have been with cum like crazy and some have a hard time making themselves orgasm.

I don’t even know a supermodel.

Amused
13 years ago

Nazis….Jews
KKK…..Blacks
Feminism….Men

Fuck you in the fucking neck, fucktard. Nazism EXTERMINATED Jews — 2/3 of the European population in 23 years. You are seriously comparing that with not being able to rape with impunity? Not only you are a misogynist, you are a racist and an anti-semite, as well.

hellkell
hellkell
13 years ago

I love how he thinks he can spot a feminist on sight. It’s not like we all have special tattoos or something.

I’m pretty damn girly IRL. Unless I wear my “I’m a feminist, man-pig*” t-shirt, I doubt you could tell by looking.

*I do not actually own that, for the cheap, slow seats.

VoiP
VoiP
13 years ago

Needless to say, Ashley pretty much is very sexually open, So she likes everything from slow and passionate to thrown up against a wall and fucked.

ZOMG dude, take that shit to fetlife, this is a family website.

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