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Men’s Rights site A Voice for Men offers $1000 “bounty” for personal information on Swedish feminists

A Voice for Men, one of the most influential and popular Men’s Rights websites, is now offering a $1000 “bounty” for anyone able to track down the personal information of several Swedish women involved in a tasteless video advertising a theater production based on Valarie Solanas’ SCUM manifesto. As the anonymous poster calling himself John the Other – the second-in-command at AVfM – put it in a posting yesterday (emphasis in original):

We are asking for the full legal names, home addresses, places of employment, email addresses and contact phone numbers of the women and man who produced and starred in the video described above. We will pay 1000 dollars to any individual who provides and confirms this information, to be paid either directly to themselves or to a charity of their choice.

John explains that this information will be posted on the AVfM-affiliated site Register-Her.com, an “offenders database” that is being used to vilify individual feminists and “Fuck Their Shit Up,” as AVfM head honcho Paul Elam likes to put it. John notes that Regsiter-Her.com also intends to post the “government identification numbers [and] drivers licences” of the women they are able to identify.

John admits plainly that posting such information may put the physical safety of these women at risk from vigilante violence. As he puts it (emphasis mine):

Some individuals may criticize the intent to publish not only names, but also addresses, phone numbers, employers and other personal information – on the grounds that such exposure create a risk of retributive violence against individuals who openly advocate murder based on sex. It is the considered position of the editorial board of AVfM that any such risks are out-weighed by the ongoing hazard to the public of these individuals continuing to operate in anonymity.

The comments posted on the article at AVfM suggest that such “retributive” violence is a real possibility. Indeed, here’s the very first comment (which currently has 17 upvotes from readers of the site):

A commenter called  Xnomolos, in another upvoted comment, adds:

i would love to hunt down these women myself.

JinnBottle responds to this comment by advising “all men to start carrying guns.”

The commenters on AVfM have already uncovered the identities of all of the women involved in the video. The blogger Fidelbogen has been the most active internet detective so far.

There is no question that the video itself is offensive, and designed to provoke. You can see it here; I’m not going to embed it on this site. If you don’t want to watch it: it depicts a young woman shooting a man in the head for no reason. Afterwards the woman and her gleeful, giggling accomplices do a victory dance, then lick the blood from the dead man’s head. A message at the end urges viewers to “Do Your Part.”

Every feminist I know who has seen the video has been appalled by it. I’m appalled by it. It’s hateful, and it’s wrong.

But John the Other, and the other commenters on AVfM, claim that it is more than this: that that the video of the staged murder, intended to provide publicity for a theater production based on Solanas’ notorious SCUM manifesto, is quite literally an open call for the murder of men. As John the Other puts it:

Open advocation of murder cannot be allowed in a civil society, without that society devolving into a culture of brutal violence.

Evidently he has no problem with, or has somehow not noticed, the comments on AVfM fantasizing about shooting and killing the women involved in the video.

Is the video a literal call to murder? Is it, as one AVfM commenter puts it, evidence of a “conspiracy to commit mass murder?” No. Violence and murder have been dramatized in the theater since its beginnings. No one accuses Sophocles of advocating fratricide and incest, though both are dealt with in his play Oedipus Rex. No one accuses Shakespeare of advocating mass murder, though many of his most famous plays have body counts that put many horror films to shame.

Does the tag line at the end of the video – “do your part” – transform the video from a depiction of murder  into an open call for it? No. The “threat,” such as it is, is vague; it’s not aimed at any specific individuals. It might be seen as akin to someone wearing a t-shirt that says “kill ‘em all, let God sort them out” – tasteless and offensive, but not a literal threat.  “Kill ‘Em All” is actually the name of Metallica’s first album. While a lot of people see James Hetfield,  Lars Ulrich et al as pompous idiots, they have not been jailed for conspiracy to commit mass murder. That would be ridiculous.

Someone claiming to have been involved in the SCUM-inspired theatrical production in question has posted several detailed comments on AVfM, explaining that those involved in the production are “not out to get you” and that the video itself was “meant as a viral “wtf?!” to give attention to both the questions that it raises and the play itself.”

By contrast, AVfM is targeting specific individuals, and intends to offer information that would allow anyone intent on doing them harm to quite literally track them to their homes and workplaces. Those fantasizing about killing these woman are not simply making a joke along the lines of “women, can’t live with ‘em; can’t kill ‘em.” They are fantasizing about killing real people, and providing would-be evil-doers maps to their doors.

AVfM is an American site, in English; these specific women live in Sweden. While it is a real possibility, it seems unlikely that anyone reading the site will literally find and murder any of those involved in the SCUM production. At least I hope that this does not come to pass.

I don’t believe that either Paul Elam or John the Other literally wants any feminist to be killed. The real intent behind AVfM’s publishing people’s personal information, it seems clear, is to intimidate feminist writers and activists into shutting up, to make clear that if they post something that offends the internet vigilantes at AVfM they will face the possibility of some deranged individual quite literally showing up at their door intent on doing them harm.

Paul Elam and John the Other claim that they’re not advocating violence. But they are playing a dangerous game here. If some deranged individual, inspired by the hyperbolic anti-feminist rhetoric on AVfM, and armed with information provided by “Register-Her.com,” murders or otherwise harms a feminist blogger or activist or video maker, Elam and his enablers will have blood on their hands. As will those MRAs who continue to publicly support and/or link to AVfM and/or Register-Her.com.

This is not the way a legitimate rights group deals with those who disagree with them. This is what hate groups do.

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Brandon
Brandon
13 years ago

@hellkell: No fun? Well then…that’s your problem.

Brandon
Brandon
13 years ago

@Dracula: I don’t even own a camera.

VoiP
VoiP
13 years ago

@hellkell: No fun? Well then…that’s your problem.

Um, dear…they’re making fun of you.

Sharculese
13 years ago

@voip

brandon has a +3 cloak of smarm that grants him protection against context clues

Dracula
Dracula
13 years ago

So what? You telling me you couldn’t afford it? Cameras aren’t that expensive. You don’t have to go high-end just to violate someone’s privacy. You had the whole thing planned out, but “I don’t already own a camera.” is enough to stop you?

10G
10G
13 years ago

David Futrelle–for the love of..whomever, would you PLEASE fucking ban Brandon already? He contributes nothing of worth to any of these discussions, is perpetually obnoxious and insulting and has NO respect for anything that doesn’t have a penis, and is obviously too STUPID to acknowledge any criticism with anything other than derogatory remarks (“retarded”? You hateful son-of-a-bitch, go fuck your mother). He makes me sick, and he needs to go YESTERDAY. Brandon, you shut your fucking mouth and speak with RESPECT to these people, you fucktard.

Ok, done…..thanks for lettin’ me vent, y’all.

hellkell
hellkell
13 years ago

But Brandon, in another thread, you had no problems with taping someone. No one said you had a camera, stop being so literal.

Brandon
Brandon
13 years ago

@Voip: They aren’t doing a very good job. Since I seem fairly content with taking everything they say literally just to fuck with them.

Sharculese
13 years ago

yeah brandon, there could be as many as five false rape accusation plots currently being worked up against you. you should take your protection more seriously.

hellkell
hellkell
13 years ago

HA, you’re pretending to be literal? I don’t think you’re that smart, and your body of work supports me.

Brandon
Brandon
13 years ago

@10G: HAHAHAHA…you want me to be respectful to people that are calling me every name in the book. Sure…ok. Would you like me to chop of my balls too?

I respect things that don’t have a penis: nature, wild animals…oh and women that AREN’T feminists.

Sharculese
13 years ago

brandon, this thread is already replete with instances of you getting all defensive and huffy-puffy in response to our lighthearted ribbing. if you are going to lie, you should do so less conspicuously.

also:

I am agnostic so I don’t give one rats ass about Jesus or the retarded notion of god.

PosterformerlyknownasElizabeth

Yes Brandon-that way we ensure that there will be no little Brandons running around if Ashley ever becomes a real girl.

Sharculese
13 years ago

I respect things that don’t have a penis: nature, wild animals…oh and women that AREN’T feminists.

the fuck?

CassandraSays
CassandraSays
13 years ago

And also – “Would you like me to chop of my balls too?”

If you can figure out how to chop “of” your balls then sure, I guess, if you find that kind of thing appealing.

Brandon
Brandon
13 years ago

@Sharculese: I concede… since you clearly know what my mental state is at all times when I post comments here.

darksidecat
13 years ago

Re: Brandon’s life story

Sharculese
13 years ago

remember when brandon totally wanted to be a feminist but got all tantrummy because we said he couldnt be Boss Feminist. good times.

Brandon
Brandon
13 years ago

@darkkitten: I do love me some Invader Zim. Jhonen Vasquez is funny as hell since his stuff is so wildly absurd.

hellkell
hellkell
13 years ago

All wild animals have penises? Shit, you learn something new every damn day.

Oh, noes, Brandon doesn’t respect me. Whatever shall I doooooooooooooooooo?

Bee
Bee
13 years ago

You are assuming that I was around judges in court all the time. This is false since I met most of the clerks, DA’s and judges when my father was on his own time and not in court.

That’s interesting that you waited until my comment to clarify that, then.

But yeah, I think I’m ready now to stop talking about how much of a liar you are and join everyone else in talking about your many, many other flaws.

VoiP
VoiP
13 years ago

I respect things that don’t have a penis: nature, wild animals…oh and women that AREN’T feminists.

the fuck?

Looooool

Also, is it me or is his command of orthography and syntax…decaying? Maybe I was right all along, and he’s Skynet or something. The poster known as “Brandon” is only its fleshy avatar.

Rutee Katreya
13 years ago

DSC, you are a person of good taste.

(=.=)b

VoiP
VoiP
13 years ago

All wild animals have penises?

No, none of them do.

Lauralot
Lauralot
13 years ago

You appear to be implying that the MRM want all women to be rape slaves and to rape 8 year olds, while you may not agree with the MRM or the need for the MRM I don’t think thats what the MRM stand for, however if you have evidence to the contrary please link it.

NWO has said that he wants women to be rape slaves and that eight year old girls are oversexualized and asking for it. I was speaking about his views.

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