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Men’s Rights site A Voice for Men offers $1000 “bounty” for personal information on Swedish feminists

A Voice for Men, one of the most influential and popular Men’s Rights websites, is now offering a $1000 “bounty” for anyone able to track down the personal information of several Swedish women involved in a tasteless video advertising a theater production based on Valarie Solanas’ SCUM manifesto. As the anonymous poster calling himself John the Other – the second-in-command at AVfM – put it in a posting yesterday (emphasis in original):

We are asking for the full legal names, home addresses, places of employment, email addresses and contact phone numbers of the women and man who produced and starred in the video described above. We will pay 1000 dollars to any individual who provides and confirms this information, to be paid either directly to themselves or to a charity of their choice.

John explains that this information will be posted on the AVfM-affiliated site Register-Her.com, an “offenders database” that is being used to vilify individual feminists and “Fuck Their Shit Up,” as AVfM head honcho Paul Elam likes to put it. John notes that Regsiter-Her.com also intends to post the “government identification numbers [and] drivers licences” of the women they are able to identify.

John admits plainly that posting such information may put the physical safety of these women at risk from vigilante violence. As he puts it (emphasis mine):

Some individuals may criticize the intent to publish not only names, but also addresses, phone numbers, employers and other personal information – on the grounds that such exposure create a risk of retributive violence against individuals who openly advocate murder based on sex. It is the considered position of the editorial board of AVfM that any such risks are out-weighed by the ongoing hazard to the public of these individuals continuing to operate in anonymity.

The comments posted on the article at AVfM suggest that such “retributive” violence is a real possibility. Indeed, here’s the very first comment (which currently has 17 upvotes from readers of the site):

A commenter called  Xnomolos, in another upvoted comment, adds:

i would love to hunt down these women myself.

JinnBottle responds to this comment by advising “all men to start carrying guns.”

The commenters on AVfM have already uncovered the identities of all of the women involved in the video. The blogger Fidelbogen has been the most active internet detective so far.

There is no question that the video itself is offensive, and designed to provoke. You can see it here; I’m not going to embed it on this site. If you don’t want to watch it: it depicts a young woman shooting a man in the head for no reason. Afterwards the woman and her gleeful, giggling accomplices do a victory dance, then lick the blood from the dead man’s head. A message at the end urges viewers to “Do Your Part.”

Every feminist I know who has seen the video has been appalled by it. I’m appalled by it. It’s hateful, and it’s wrong.

But John the Other, and the other commenters on AVfM, claim that it is more than this: that that the video of the staged murder, intended to provide publicity for a theater production based on Solanas’ notorious SCUM manifesto, is quite literally an open call for the murder of men. As John the Other puts it:

Open advocation of murder cannot be allowed in a civil society, without that society devolving into a culture of brutal violence.

Evidently he has no problem with, or has somehow not noticed, the comments on AVfM fantasizing about shooting and killing the women involved in the video.

Is the video a literal call to murder? Is it, as one AVfM commenter puts it, evidence of a “conspiracy to commit mass murder?” No. Violence and murder have been dramatized in the theater since its beginnings. No one accuses Sophocles of advocating fratricide and incest, though both are dealt with in his play Oedipus Rex. No one accuses Shakespeare of advocating mass murder, though many of his most famous plays have body counts that put many horror films to shame.

Does the tag line at the end of the video – “do your part” – transform the video from a depiction of murder  into an open call for it? No. The “threat,” such as it is, is vague; it’s not aimed at any specific individuals. It might be seen as akin to someone wearing a t-shirt that says “kill ‘em all, let God sort them out” – tasteless and offensive, but not a literal threat.  “Kill ‘Em All” is actually the name of Metallica’s first album. While a lot of people see James Hetfield,  Lars Ulrich et al as pompous idiots, they have not been jailed for conspiracy to commit mass murder. That would be ridiculous.

Someone claiming to have been involved in the SCUM-inspired theatrical production in question has posted several detailed comments on AVfM, explaining that those involved in the production are “not out to get you” and that the video itself was “meant as a viral “wtf?!” to give attention to both the questions that it raises and the play itself.”

By contrast, AVfM is targeting specific individuals, and intends to offer information that would allow anyone intent on doing them harm to quite literally track them to their homes and workplaces. Those fantasizing about killing these woman are not simply making a joke along the lines of “women, can’t live with ‘em; can’t kill ‘em.” They are fantasizing about killing real people, and providing would-be evil-doers maps to their doors.

AVfM is an American site, in English; these specific women live in Sweden. While it is a real possibility, it seems unlikely that anyone reading the site will literally find and murder any of those involved in the SCUM production. At least I hope that this does not come to pass.

I don’t believe that either Paul Elam or John the Other literally wants any feminist to be killed. The real intent behind AVfM’s publishing people’s personal information, it seems clear, is to intimidate feminist writers and activists into shutting up, to make clear that if they post something that offends the internet vigilantes at AVfM they will face the possibility of some deranged individual quite literally showing up at their door intent on doing them harm.

Paul Elam and John the Other claim that they’re not advocating violence. But they are playing a dangerous game here. If some deranged individual, inspired by the hyperbolic anti-feminist rhetoric on AVfM, and armed with information provided by “Register-Her.com,” murders or otherwise harms a feminist blogger or activist or video maker, Elam and his enablers will have blood on their hands. As will those MRAs who continue to publicly support and/or link to AVfM and/or Register-Her.com.

This is not the way a legitimate rights group deals with those who disagree with them. This is what hate groups do.

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PosterformerlyknownasElizabeth

Brandon, you are the one claiming that your father was so unable to arrange for care for his child that he had to bring that child to court with him. And this was often enough for you to be around judges “all the time.”

Now that means several things:
1. your mother did not stay home while you were a small child.
2. your parents were unable to arrange for you to stay at a day care.
3. your parents also were unable to arrange for you to have a nanny (probably for the very reason I stated.)
4. If your mother was around and working, her job was even less able to accommodate having a small child around.

Although I am still inclined towards the first view I had towards your extraordinary claim of being around judges all the time as a child because your father is an attorney-that you are lying and your father left you at home in the care of a nanny like most of the male attorneys who have working wives do here at this courthouse.

hellkell
hellkell
13 years ago

Wow, Brandon, all those accomplishments, however do you it?

You’d think being homeless may have spurred some empathy in him, but nope.

CassandraSays
CassandraSays
13 years ago

A 30 year old with a job and a girlfriend? What a strange and remarkable creature. Let us all gather round and view this wonder. Quick, someone call David Attenborough.

PosterformerlyknownasElizabeth

Oh and Brandon, the best friend of mine, who actually was around judges while growing up because his mother has been a judge since before he was born, is an attorney working for the county PD office making $57,000 a year. Almost all of his co-workers who have kids making the same amount as he does and they have nannies because they simply cannot make do with day care due to the time constraints of their job.

They also tend to be the ones without a lot of student loan debt but they do have nannies even though they are not making the ultra big dollars.

Sharculese
13 years ago

brandon, people who arent super rich can still have wealth privilege. if you grew up comfortably middle-class, you have privilege. i know it hurts your feelings to here this, but you are old enough to deal with it.

Sharculese
13 years ago

seriously, that was inane even by your normal standard of empty-headed navel gazing

Brandon
Brandon
13 years ago

@Bee:Umm. ..no.

Very rarely have I been dragged to court with him when I was younger. But being around my father, I got to know who his co-workers were. I knew everyone from the clerks, DA’s, the judges and other attorneys.

One of the rare times when I was dragged to court with him (he was punishing me, I was a bad 12 year old kid). The judge stopped the court and forced me to go up to his bench where only him and I could talk. He basically gave me the whole “if you don’t stop fucking around, you are going to be in here in front of me getting sentenced instead of me talking to you like I am now”.

It had to be one of the most important days of my life. It is probably why I hate the courts and refuse to do anything to go back there. So committing crimes and marriage are out for me. 😉

VoiP
VoiP
13 years ago

On behalf of atheists as a whole – we do apologise for Brandon. Really, we’re very sorry.

*shakes hands with Cassandra solemnly.*

Bee
Bee
13 years ago

So, I quote Brandon verbatim, and he responds, “Umm. ..no.” Are you still wondering why people think you lie, Brandon?

Brandon
Brandon
13 years ago

@hellkell: I am not looking to get a Noble Peace Prize or invent something amazing. I just want to earn enough to take care of myself, have my sexual needs met and have fun instead of being a corporate slave.

I have accomplished all those…so the rest of life is just a party.

hellkell
hellkell
13 years ago

Brandon, I’m truly moved by your story with the judge; so inspiring, so heartwarming, without a trace of banality. It’s such an after-school special, the youth totally need to see this.

Sharculese
13 years ago

guys.

one of the most traumatizing moments of brandons life was being told he had to behave like a human being.

sometimes the psychoanalysis writes itself.

VoiP
VoiP
13 years ago

One of the rare times when I was dragged to court with him (he was punishing me, I was a bad 12 year old kid). The judge stopped the court and forced me to go up to his bench where only him and I could talk. He basically gave me the whole “if you don’t stop fucking around, you are going to be in here in front of me getting sentenced instead of me talking to you like I am now”.

It had to be one of the most important days of my life. It is probably why I hate the courts and refuse to do anything to go back there. So committing crimes and marriage are out for me.

Not a whole lot goes on in your head, does it? I imagine your subconscious to have the same flat clarity of a Normal Rockwell painting, only it depicts Thai child prostitutes and Ashley, giggling, always giggling. In the corner, the glint of a hidden lens.

hellkell
hellkell
13 years ago

Well then, Brandon, missionafuckingccomplished. Why are you here again?

Sharculese
13 years ago

‘i was a shitty, selfish asshole and my parents basically couldnt do anything except try to scare me straight. i blame the institution, not my shitty behavior. this is because i am a creep.’

PosterformerlyknownasElizabeth

*reads Brandon’s story and rolls her eyes*

Maybe Brandon was brought to court after being such a horrible snot that his father thought having a scary judge yell at him would be a great idea. That I can believe.

I cannot believe that he was around judges “all the time” even if his dad had a playpen in the office just special for him.

Brandon
Brandon
13 years ago

@Bee: You quoted this:

@hellkell: My father is an attorney, so when I was younger…I was around judges all the time.

You are assuming that I was around judges in court all the time. This is false since I met most of the clerks, DA’s and judges when my father was on his own time and not in court.

VoiP
VoiP
13 years ago

The Banality of Banality

hellkell
hellkell
13 years ago

Voip:

I see his subconscious as more of a Jeff Koons: trite, boring, and totally up its own ass.

PosterformerlyknownasElizabeth

Anyone notice Brandon has admitted to violating the law (smoking weed) and yet claims he never did anything that would land him back in front of the same judge who “scared him straight?”

CassandraSays
CassandraSays
13 years ago

The Tao of Brandon – A Meditation on the Theme of Brandon. By Brandon.

hellkell
hellkell
13 years ago

Brandon is making me wish for that Sarcastia font again. He’s no fun.

PosterformerlyknownasElizabeth

Oh and he just admitted his father was unethical as judges do not spend their free time with the attorneys they see in court outside of very limited (and child free) circumstances.

It is a violation of the judicial code of conduct.

Dracula
Dracula
13 years ago

So committing crimes and marriage are out for me.

Except for that one crime you were so keen on committing. Changed your mind about the hidden camera, have you?

VoiP
VoiP
13 years ago

The Tao of Brandon – A Meditation on the Theme of Brandon. By Brandon.

Like in that scene in Being John Malkovitch, he’s gone into his own head so deep all that he sees is “Brandon? Brandon.” “Brandon brandon brandon.”

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