The director of the first Human Centipede film – the one about a psychopathic doctor who sews three unwilling and unwitting captives together mouth-to-anus to make a sort of “centipede” — proudly declared that his film was “100% medically accurate.” That is, he found a doctor who was willing to say that if one were indeed to create such a centipede, the second and third segments (i.e., people) would be able to survive, provided that you supplemented their rather dismal diet with IV drips to give them the nutrition they were lacking.
This dubious claim to 100% accuracy came to mind today as I perused a post by the blogger who calls himself Dalrock, a manospherian nitwit with a penchant for pseudoscientific defenses of old-fashioned misogyny. In a post with the whimsical title “We are trapped on Slut Island and Traditional Conservatives are our Gilligan,” Dalrock argues that the best “solution” to out-of-wedlock births is some good old-fashioned slut shaming.
Here’s how he breaks down the (imaginary) numbers in a post that is “100% mathematically accurate” – which is to say, not accurate at all:
Assume we are starting off with 100 sluts and 30 alphas/players. The sluts are happily riding on the alpha carousel. Now we introduce slut shaming. It isn’t fully effective of course, but it manages to convince 15 of the would be sluts not to be sluts after all. This means an additional 15 women are again potentially suitable for marriage. This directly translates into fewer fatherless children. This also makes the next round of slut shaming easier. Instead of having 99 peers eagerly cheering her on her ride, each slut now has 15 happily married women shaming her and only 84 other sluts encouraging her. After the next round this becomes 30 happily married women shaming the sluts, and only 69 other sluts cheering them on, and so on. This process continues until all but the most die hard sluts are off the carousel. You will never discourage them all, but you can do a world better than we are doing today.
Why not shame the fathers as well, while we’re at it? Dalrock explains that this just doesn’t make good mathematical sense:
Start with the same base assumption of 100 sluts and 30 players. Now apply shame to the players. Unfortunately shame is less effective on players than it is on sluts, so instead of discouraging 15% of them (4.5) in the first round, it only discourages three of them. No problem!, says the Gilligan [the social conservative], at least there are now three fewer sluts now that three of the evil alphas have been shamed away, and all without creating any unhappy sluts! But unfortunately it doesn’t work that way. The remaining 27 players are more than happy to service the extra sluts. They are quite maddeningly actually delighted with the new situation. Even worse, the next round of player shaming is even less effective than the first. This time only 2 players are discouraged, and one of the other 3 realizes that his player peers are picking up the slack anyway and reopens for business. This means in net there are still 26 players, more than enough to handle all of the sluts you can throw at them.
Well, there’s no arguing with that!
Seriously, there’s no arguing with that, because it is an imaginary construct with only the most tenuous connection with how things work in the real world. “But … MATH!” doesn’t really work as an argument here, since human beings don’t actually behave according to simplistic mathematical formulas.
Film critic note: While the first Human Centipede film offered little more than a workmanlike treatment of a fantastical idea, the recently released sequel, which details the attempts of a deranged Human Centipede superfan to take human-centipeding to the next level, is actually sort of brilliant. If you like that sort of thing.
Isn’t the statistic on how many people have premarital sex well into the 90-95% range? That’s a ton of whores; I honestly don’t know what society would do with them all. They might have to employ them in non-sex occupations or some craziness like that! 😀
Saru:
Sounds like Victorian London.
And if we remove the class aspect, we have a system in which women have sex with no men, one man, or all the men. Sure sounds free and peaceful to me.
Anyone else think that NWO is a non-cartoon vershion of:
The logic is probably that fewer of them would have sex if they were threatened with a lifetime of prostitution.
Oh, DKM. xD xD Silly boy. When Ami giggles at your posts she IS giggling in the right places. As are we all.
*consensual sex
FTFY! :p
588th Night Bomber Regiment, all women, had a success rate slightly higher than the male Soviet Air Force average. They weren’t superhumanly good, but they didn’t all crash either, because they weren’t “playing.”
Actually, the fact that they were, in many ways, so normal moves me more than Hollywood style super-success would have. These are pilots just like any other pilots, except for the fact that they were women.
(On the other hand, this is super-cool:)
Also, DKM, you are aware that during the Second World War large numbers of training pilots and test pilots in the US were women, right? Test pilot is a much more demanding job than fighter pilot, both intellectually and technically.
And you never answered my question about women in the Tsarist army!
Yeah, the comment about Wetherby’s supposed impending divorce convinced me that not only does Meller hate women, he’s not too keen on other men who don’t agree with him either. Not to mention, Wetherby, don’t you have at least one daughter? I can guess how enthused you must be about Meller’s plans for her.
Also, the backstory is pathetic. One woman was mean to you because you cheated on her and you turned that into a crusade against modern women? You truly are a weak, pathetic, childish excuse for an adult human being.
there’s a backstory?!
i always assumed hating women was just like something dkm did, the way normal people eat or breathe.
@voip
the amazing thing about dkm is the lurid revenge fantasies. if any woman anywhere is doing something, dkm has plotted her comeuppance in extravagant detail.
DKM’s comments always read like he has a suit made entirely of human skin hanging in his closet.
I wonder if Meller’s ex was actually a femininist, or if he just mistook her for one because she wasn’t a complete doormat.
I think you’ve “hit the nail on the button,” Cassandra.
He was just a garden-variety cheater who thought he could do it with impunity. Surprise, surprise. He’s pathetic, but we knew that.
@Cassandrasays
Sorry if this has been covered, but I read slowly and sporatically.
That Zhinxy defines as anarchy, is in fact anarchy. But the methods and established history of the anarchist movement frequently led to violent directionless outbursts that killed and maimed dozens, maybe hundreds during the turn of the twentieth century.
People like Zhinxy try and rehabilitate it from the “break the system by burning the place down” majority of anarchists. As Frank Miller said in one of his few lucid moments, “This isn’t anarchy, it’s chaos.”
Personally, I recomend Salt for S/F readers if anyone wants to know why I broke from my anarchist past.
It showed the human flaw inherent in the system. 😉
And now he prefers playing with dolls because Miss Anabelle doesn’t complain when he spends all day with his hand up Miss Susan’s skirt! See, dolls are much better than women.
Yeah, the comment about Wetherby’s supposed impending divorce convinced me that not only does Meller hate women, he’s not too keen on other men who don’t agree with him either.
Not, he really isn’t. Call us “renegade males” if memory serves. I quite like the term, actually. It’s sort of dashing.
As Frank Miller said in one of his few lucid moments, “This isn’t anarchy, it’s chaos.”
Actually I think it was Alan Moore who wrote that, in V for Vendetta.
While I have my fair share of disagreements with anarchist theory, I don’t exactly think that is a fair assessment of anarchist history or most anarchist practice. Granted, most of my knowledge and experience in this area is rather US centric, but that statement does not match up with my personal experiences in this regard. Historically, at least in the US, anarchists have far more often been on the receiving side of violence than on the aggressive side.
Hey, I can’t believe I found it!
Okay, I may have been a litle off, as he doesn’t actually say that the feminist “witch” was his partner, I may have assumed it from his use of the word “affair”, but the post in which it appears is a few months old, so I was a little sketchy on the exact details.
“Maybe I am not a ‘repulsive toad” at all. Maybe I am a handsome prince, who was turned into a repulsive toad by a feminist witch who was jealous of an affair that I had a long time ago with one of her friends. She turned me into a repulsive toad so that the affair would end, and now I await a beautiful woman to kiss me and break the spell.”
Yes, I can understand why this man pines away for an era when women were supposed to just STFU and accept the fact that their husband had a paramour, especially if the wife was in a “family way”, because, after all, a man does have his needs.
Dracula is correct. /turns in nerd card.
Also true. Look at UC Davis. But it was the image of “bomb throwing anarchists” that the US government used as a propaganda tool during the labor/capital disputes in the early 1900’s tha led to the modern baggage the word has.
I view this through the lens of a Union Thug who saw all sorts of pearl clutching and fainting couches because during The Battle for Seattle a few kids setting fire to trash bins or breaking windows of businesses that had insurance to cover that sort of thing.
This was used as an excuse to tear gass thousands of protesters, by-standers and business people who hadn’t closed their shops.
I got gassed in that, Cynickal. Our office was still open, and we had gone to the roof to check things out. Some cops saw us and threatened us with gas, so we cleared out, and they threw it anyway, and it came in through the vents.
I for one was happy to see our dumpster go up in flames.
My feeling about anarchism is basically that it can be an effective way of creating change, but it’s completely unsuited to creating any sort of functioning society after change has occurred. So I’m totally cool with the kids burning trash cans, and not cool with the cops using tear gas on them in retaliation, but I really don’t want to see an anarchist group actually running things in the long-term because I just don’t think it would work.
Meller’s “backstory” sounds like a great premise for a satirical super-hero comic book: a feminist Witch casts a spell on a misogynist, making his appearance reflect his inner person, resulting in him becoming a toad. The Witch tells him that the only way for him to break the curse is if he gets a woman who actually reflects his image of women to kiss him, so naturally he goes around saving “damsels in distress” in the hopes that he can convince them to be sweet old fashioned girls and rescue him from his punishment. I can already see the in-comic newspaper headlines: “Misogynist toad rescues, harangues woman.”
Pam: It was some time ago, and I don’t currently have the free time on my hands to seek it out, in a posting in one of the threads here that DKM mentioned the event that really served to turn him against feminism/feminists. He realized how vindictive, spiteful and hateful a movement feminism is by the way that his feminist then-partner (didn’t specify if she was girlfriend or wife) reacted when she learned that he had had an affair on her.
I missed that.
If you recall correctly, it explains a few things.
And makes Meller even more pathetic than he was.
Cassandra: Yeah, the comment about Wetherby’s supposed impending divorce convinced me that not only does Meller hate women, he’s not too keen on other men who don’t agree with him either.
No, he doesn’t. He tells lies about us, calls us name and generally abuses us too. He does’t like me. He has said, more than once, that I am misrepresenting his views on killing women who aren’t properly subservient, takes offense at being shown to be fond of Gor (we are supposed to know that he approves of the “good parts” and the “deviant” aspects aren’t for him). He doesn’t of course, say that other men are forbidden to treat their sex-slaves as they are treated in Gor, just that there are better ways.
He has said that he is sure the women here are tired of my bringing up his thoughts on the sexbot replacement; because they know it was just a piece of extrapolation.
We are renegades, and lapdogs and other terms of bemeaning nature. We are not “REAL MEN”, who love, “REAL WOMEN!!!!” [who are all soft and fluffy]. It’s a no true scotsman world. REAL MEN!! think like Meller. Other men have been brainwashed, or something, and need to have the scales scraped from their eyes.
I didn’t know that many/any of the protestors there identified as anarchists; the people who got pepper sprayed were mostly students, and presumably liberal, but a sit-in on your own campus isn’t necessarily anarchy.
“Renegade men” does sound cool, but sadly you’re renegades ’cause you sit in our lady laps and gaze adoringly up at us and tell us how smart we are, while us renegade women apparently spend all our time fucking constantly and flying fighter jets. C’mon, that’s slightly more badass than just being a decent human being like you dudes… ;D