The director of the first Human Centipede film – the one about a psychopathic doctor who sews three unwilling and unwitting captives together mouth-to-anus to make a sort of “centipede” — proudly declared that his film was “100% medically accurate.” That is, he found a doctor who was willing to say that if one were indeed to create such a centipede, the second and third segments (i.e., people) would be able to survive, provided that you supplemented their rather dismal diet with IV drips to give them the nutrition they were lacking.
This dubious claim to 100% accuracy came to mind today as I perused a post by the blogger who calls himself Dalrock, a manospherian nitwit with a penchant for pseudoscientific defenses of old-fashioned misogyny. In a post with the whimsical title “We are trapped on Slut Island and Traditional Conservatives are our Gilligan,” Dalrock argues that the best “solution” to out-of-wedlock births is some good old-fashioned slut shaming.
Here’s how he breaks down the (imaginary) numbers in a post that is “100% mathematically accurate” – which is to say, not accurate at all:
Assume we are starting off with 100 sluts and 30 alphas/players. The sluts are happily riding on the alpha carousel. Now we introduce slut shaming. It isn’t fully effective of course, but it manages to convince 15 of the would be sluts not to be sluts after all. This means an additional 15 women are again potentially suitable for marriage. This directly translates into fewer fatherless children. This also makes the next round of slut shaming easier. Instead of having 99 peers eagerly cheering her on her ride, each slut now has 15 happily married women shaming her and only 84 other sluts encouraging her. After the next round this becomes 30 happily married women shaming the sluts, and only 69 other sluts cheering them on, and so on. This process continues until all but the most die hard sluts are off the carousel. You will never discourage them all, but you can do a world better than we are doing today.
Why not shame the fathers as well, while we’re at it? Dalrock explains that this just doesn’t make good mathematical sense:
Start with the same base assumption of 100 sluts and 30 players. Now apply shame to the players. Unfortunately shame is less effective on players than it is on sluts, so instead of discouraging 15% of them (4.5) in the first round, it only discourages three of them. No problem!, says the Gilligan [the social conservative], at least there are now three fewer sluts now that three of the evil alphas have been shamed away, and all without creating any unhappy sluts! But unfortunately it doesn’t work that way. The remaining 27 players are more than happy to service the extra sluts. They are quite maddeningly actually delighted with the new situation. Even worse, the next round of player shaming is even less effective than the first. This time only 2 players are discouraged, and one of the other 3 realizes that his player peers are picking up the slack anyway and reopens for business. This means in net there are still 26 players, more than enough to handle all of the sluts you can throw at them.
Well, there’s no arguing with that!
Seriously, there’s no arguing with that, because it is an imaginary construct with only the most tenuous connection with how things work in the real world. “But … MATH!” doesn’t really work as an argument here, since human beings don’t actually behave according to simplistic mathematical formulas.
Film critic note: While the first Human Centipede film offered little more than a workmanlike treatment of a fantastical idea, the recently released sequel, which details the attempts of a deranged Human Centipede superfan to take human-centipeding to the next level, is actually sort of brilliant. If you like that sort of thing.
SaruGoku:
Women were given the vote in Britain in 1918 primarily to acknowledge their massive contribution to WWI – it had less to do with suffragette pressure than you might think from the timing. Because the shortage of manpower became acute, the government was forced to accept that women could do plenty of jobs just as well – and by demonstrating that this was true, they no longer had a good reason for denying them the vote.
And women’s contribution was arguably even more essential to the war effort in WWII – as demonstrated by the vast amount of propaganda put out by the Ministry of Information urging women to consider training for such traditionally “male” jobs as driving buses or operating machine tools in factories churning out desperately needed military equipment.
One interesting side-effect of this can be seen in their choice of entertainment – the cinema was wildly popular at the time because it was one of the few comparatively safe ways of spending an evening out, and the largely female audience lapped up such films as The Man in Grey and The Wicked Lady, which typically revolved around aggressively predatory women, usually played by Margaret Lockwood. In fact, if the box office take is adjusted for inflation, The Wicked Lady, remains one of the most successful British films ever made, and its trailer gives the general flavor.
DKM, you still haven’t answered: Who’s going to stop us? If we want to fly fighter planes and there’s no government and no one else but you cares, what’s to prevent us from doing what we want?
There were members of my family that considered themselves to already be prisoners of war in the US during WWII and who asserted that a government which at best did not care about their equality, freedom, safety, and voting rights had no business telling them to fight for it. It is extremely interesting that Meller, NWO, and assorted trolls always assume everyone’s ancesters were wealthy members of the socially normative group among the victors. Women live in warzones, women live among oppressed and genocided peoples.
@Cupcake, contiguous borders are a fairly recent phenomena in most of the world (there is a fair amount of scholarship on how contiguous borders affected law and sentiment around citizenship hsitorically). Requiring contiguous borders for statehood means that almost no pre-modern state can be considered such. Sovereignty and monopoly are also complex issues, particularly when taking into account the modern notion of “sovereignty resides in the people” and the fact that only some government monopolies are compulsory (while it is compulsary in the US for the FDA to inspect food, food producers and individuals are not banned from inspecting their own food either). In addition, claiming that banishment is not forceful or a form of punishment is rather silly. Exile from one’s community is in fact a pretty harsh penalty. The notion that exclusion is not punishment has left terrible results in immigration laws.
Thanks for that – you’ve just reminded me that I meant to purchase this, which is about precisely that topic.
Katz–November 21@12:55pm
“Whose going to stop you (if there is no government…)”
I don’t know, and frankly, at this late date, I couldn’t even care less! As I replied to Molly Ren when she made a similar inquiry; if the other fighter pilots don’t care, and your trainers and commanders don’t care, and manufacturers don’t care, and the insurers who have to pay for your bloody messes all don’t care, then I sure as hell don’t care!
Fly away, crash and burn to your your little feminist tomboy heart’s content! Gee, isn’t playing with the boys fun? Any women who are maimed or killed flying planes were too reckless and stupid to breed safely anyhow, and maybe our next generation can benefit!
Happy landings katz (and Molly Ren)!!
But that’s the thing, they’ve already accepted that! And it happens, like right now, and it has happened for decades, it not just theoretically possible. Wake up!
Bitches in space! http://laughingsquid.com/wp-content/uploads/laika-sputnik-2.jpg
Good heavens, I leave for 26 hours[1] and this thread more than doubles. And by now most of the comments have either been replied to more eloquently than I could hope to or are part of a discussion that’s moved to the forum
That’s the one. I forgot the title.
On the other hand, if you don’t actually know any women who (tell you they) have a good deal of variety in their sex lives, I can see why you would conclude that Snooki is typical.
After all this Internet time, I don’t think we ever found out what makes Slavey happy. I suspect at this point he thinks it’s a trick question, like his answer will be used against him somehow. Otherwise why would we ask?
[1] Not counting the time it took me to catch up!
He talked about a hobby with wires, I don’t remember where.
I don’t think we ever found out what makes Slavey happy.
I suspect the answer is “Being annoying.”, but I can’t confirm that.
Completely off-topic, but I thought you’d enjoy this piece from The Daily Mash (Britain’s closest equivalent to The Onion):
Internet misogynists given chance to meet a woman
A GROUP of online trolls have been introduced to an actual woman for the first time, it has emerged.
Wo-Meet is a new government initiative where sexually-vindictive internet obsessives can experience meeting a woman who is not in a browser window.
A spokesman said: “Internet misogyny is a cry for help.
“When a man posts something like ‘my donkey dong iz gunna make Vorderman* scream’ what he means is ‘I haven’t seen a human female since school and I still have milk and biscuits at bedtime despite being 38’.
Here’s the rest.
And here’s ‘Female orgasm far too complicated, say men‘ as a follow-up.
(*Carol Vorderman is the British TV presenter who made maths sexy. Allegedly. Anyway, she’s the kind of person internet misogynists would probably fantasize about.)
@darksidecat, it is absolutely a lot more complicated than all that, and I did oversimplify a lot – I was writing very late at night and my brain was all fuzzy. You’re right, basically my main point was that anarchists are generally in favour of order, organization etc, and they often describe this as government, whilst remaining opposed to the state. The elements of the state which anarchists tend to object to are not the rules – they actually tend to like those. Which, come to think of it, zhinxy has already said a few times, so nevermind!
@Ami, you’re right, I’m really interested to know how NWO would feel about us all living in a happy little feminist community while he gets to rule his no abortions, no gays, no statutory rape laws paradise. But I suspect you’re right and he’ll tell us we would never survive without Big Daddy or hard-working men to exploit or something. After all, who else will hunt the mammoth for us?
What NWO wants is tyranny, with himself as the tyrant. Ditto for Meller.
Ami Angelwings,
I don’t know about NWOslave, but you couldn’t be more wrong about me! I make every effort to secure everybody’s freedom of both thought and action in my ideal society, and do everything that I can to avoid any coercion, or apperance of coercion, in addressing the conflcits between people that are an inextricable part of life in human sociey!
Try READING and UNDERSTANDING my posts discussing the questions that other readers raise–without the girlygiggles! I think that I do a very good job describing an untried social and order, stateless and private property based, that gives an enormously greater variety of choice and change for its participants than the flawed status quo. Manyof the objections, in fact, are even covered in the outlines themselves, so if readers would read more carefully, rather than attack “straw men’ which never exist, they, along with you, could appreciate the superiority of what was offered to what you have today!
The same points go for darksidecat! There is no tyranny in my kind of anarchist environment. In fact, it is probably more immune to tyranny, and abuse of power, than any other imaginable system!
How about a system in which everything is zero kelvin? I promise that there is no abuse of power in that one. 😀
except the part where you mentioned forcing non-married, non-virgin women into sexual slavery.
I don’t think Meller’s definition of “everybody” matches the definition everyone else is using. To Meller, since women =/= people, “everybody” is all men. And as he’s hallucinated that all men agree with him on everything, “everybody” is really David K. Meller. So, by his definitions, he is indeed insuring everybody’s freedom, and he can’t see why we’re contradicting such obvious facts.
Also, DKM, do you want giggles? Do you not want giggles? Is it something about Ami specifically that makes you dislike the giggles? Giggling seems like an integral trait of your perfect woman.
I find Ami’s mannerisms particularly charming, but then I don’t want to be forced into sex work because I’ve had sex before, so my opinion doesn’t count for much.
They aren’t FORCED into anything! It is simply made available to them. Women who are sexually loose anyhow are given an opportunity to put their promiscuity and availability to good advantage for everyone concerned.
Man who would otherwise be interested in virgins have a chance to relieve themselves while the purity of decent women is upheld.
Women who are strongly inclined to promiscuity and sex freedom do it in a protected, supervised, and sanitary environment.
Young men–in their late teens and early 20’s–when sex is at its strongest, may experiment and find release with easly available girls without damaging the reputations or virginiity of good women–who may be saved for marriage.
These same young men may save their own horny hides from being skinned alive in the process, availing themselves of such entertainment, since many families take the purity of their daughters VERY SERIOUSLY! These availability of these sexually free women prevents avoidable conflict ,and even possible severe beatings or even murder in their communities of the young men who couldn’t “hold it back”..
For a modest fee, both young men, and young women (after the wedding night) may be instructed in the arts of love by an experienced tutor and artist. This may act to forestall, or even eliminate sexual troubles from both bride and groom during their marriage.
Forced prostitution? Not on your life! Such women, and their “employers” or “keepers”, perform indispensible community functions enhancing the safety, prosperity, and cohesion of any community lucky enough to have them.
I’m sure anybody on manboobz can think of other valuable uses for such ladies of the evening/courtesans/ sex-workers.
These women, their houses, and their work, enormously enhance both the freedom and the prosperity of any communities lucky enough to use them!
DKM:
The irony, it burns.
Bagelson–November 21, 2011@ 4:23pm
?????
Bagelson–Zero degrees Kelvin is absolute zero!
There is no “abuse of power” in that system because there is no ANYTHING in that system!
Absolute zero is where everything stops!
Forced prostitution? Not on your life! Such women, and their “employers” or “keepers”, perform indispensible community functions enhancing the safety, prosperity, and cohesion of any community lucky enough to have them.
How about you just let them get whatever jobs they want, and are qualified for? And maybe try not caring who they have sex with, since it’s none of your fucking business? Or does that offend your delicate sensibilities?
@Wetherby: That article about internet misogynists is adorable. See? All they need is a cuddle.
Yes, girlygiggles are nice in women ordinarily. However, Ami Angelwings has a bad habit of giggling when discussing my posts, and I would rather not have her do that.Normally, I would say that they were cute–in the right places!
Thank you! If she wants to emit girlygiggles (xD)s and her (o-O)s to her hearts content elsewhere, or at somebody else’s posts, that is fine, if it is OK with the other person.