The director of the first Human Centipede film – the one about a psychopathic doctor who sews three unwilling and unwitting captives together mouth-to-anus to make a sort of “centipede” — proudly declared that his film was “100% medically accurate.” That is, he found a doctor who was willing to say that if one were indeed to create such a centipede, the second and third segments (i.e., people) would be able to survive, provided that you supplemented their rather dismal diet with IV drips to give them the nutrition they were lacking.
This dubious claim to 100% accuracy came to mind today as I perused a post by the blogger who calls himself Dalrock, a manospherian nitwit with a penchant for pseudoscientific defenses of old-fashioned misogyny. In a post with the whimsical title “We are trapped on Slut Island and Traditional Conservatives are our Gilligan,” Dalrock argues that the best “solution” to out-of-wedlock births is some good old-fashioned slut shaming.
Here’s how he breaks down the (imaginary) numbers in a post that is “100% mathematically accurate” – which is to say, not accurate at all:
Assume we are starting off with 100 sluts and 30 alphas/players. The sluts are happily riding on the alpha carousel. Now we introduce slut shaming. It isn’t fully effective of course, but it manages to convince 15 of the would be sluts not to be sluts after all. This means an additional 15 women are again potentially suitable for marriage. This directly translates into fewer fatherless children. This also makes the next round of slut shaming easier. Instead of having 99 peers eagerly cheering her on her ride, each slut now has 15 happily married women shaming her and only 84 other sluts encouraging her. After the next round this becomes 30 happily married women shaming the sluts, and only 69 other sluts cheering them on, and so on. This process continues until all but the most die hard sluts are off the carousel. You will never discourage them all, but you can do a world better than we are doing today.
Why not shame the fathers as well, while we’re at it? Dalrock explains that this just doesn’t make good mathematical sense:
Start with the same base assumption of 100 sluts and 30 players. Now apply shame to the players. Unfortunately shame is less effective on players than it is on sluts, so instead of discouraging 15% of them (4.5) in the first round, it only discourages three of them. No problem!, says the Gilligan [the social conservative], at least there are now three fewer sluts now that three of the evil alphas have been shamed away, and all without creating any unhappy sluts! But unfortunately it doesn’t work that way. The remaining 27 players are more than happy to service the extra sluts. They are quite maddeningly actually delighted with the new situation. Even worse, the next round of player shaming is even less effective than the first. This time only 2 players are discouraged, and one of the other 3 realizes that his player peers are picking up the slack anyway and reopens for business. This means in net there are still 26 players, more than enough to handle all of the sluts you can throw at them.
Well, there’s no arguing with that!
Seriously, there’s no arguing with that, because it is an imaginary construct with only the most tenuous connection with how things work in the real world. “But … MATH!” doesn’t really work as an argument here, since human beings don’t actually behave according to simplistic mathematical formulas.
Film critic note: While the first Human Centipede film offered little more than a workmanlike treatment of a fantastical idea, the recently released sequel, which details the attempts of a deranged Human Centipede superfan to take human-centipeding to the next level, is actually sort of brilliant. If you like that sort of thing.
(Yup. Like a troll, I couldn’t stick the flounce. Now y’all have me googling stuff about pregnancy!)
@Joanna
“A fetus is not a human. It is a fetus >.>”
Oh do tell? When do you graciously grant little johnny fetus, “living status?” Shall we leave it up to Big Daddy to say at what particular moment in time your concience is clear?
When does Big Daddy grant “life” to his children? 12 weeks, 16 weeks, 24 weeks, birth? What is that magic number? I’m sure you must know. Or does “life” vary from State to State, Nation to Nation? Clue in the old slave.
NWO, if you just take anything a feminist says with a bucket of salt, why bother talking to feminists at all? What are you expecting to accomplish by talking at people? Do you think anyone is going to take you seriously?
VoiP – Yes, it’s fascinating the way the State-lover dodges 😉
He won’t answer me, either *pout*
Clearly he could.
When it no longer relies on another creature’s actual body to survive; birth. If you could see past your own stupidity, you would realize these aren’t hard questions, milkboy.
It’s a boy! (Of course it’s a boy; if it were a girl NWO would’ve tried to fuck it already.)
Maybe I make him pouty because I’m Christian (Russian Orthodox), like he claims to be, and at one point I asked him how his attitudes toward half the human race square with the words of Christ. A ringing silence was my only answer, sigh…
“Oh do tell? When do you graciously grant little johnny fetus, “living status?” Shall we leave it up to Big Daddy to say at what particular moment in time your concience is clear?
It is precisely because this decision is so debatable between religions, ethical systems, doctors, and so very many people of good will that it CANNOT be a matter of State law, and only a private, medical matter.
“When does Big Daddy grant “life” to his children? 12 weeks, 16 weeks, 24 weeks, birth? What is that magic number? I’m sure you must know. Or does “life” vary from State to State, Nation to Nation? Clue in the old slave.”
The State and the Nation are barbaric concepts based on force. Concepts that you endorse wholeheartedly. You are the one who says that Big Daddy grants that life at conception. You are the one who says Big Daddy may kill the woman who decides she cannot give birth. You are the one who says Big Daddy may jail those who do not even approve of abortion, but do not want to pay taxes to a state that will kill woman who do. So when does Big Daddy grant freedom to it’s dissenters, NWO? What happens to me if I will not pay blood money to your death penalty State? You are not a slave, you are only a servant of the State, angry you are not a Master.
“When does Big Daddy grant “life” to his children? 12 weeks, 16 weeks, 24 weeks, birth? What is that magic number? I’m sure you must know. Or does “life” vary from State to State, Nation to Nation? Clue in the old slave.”
Before the end of the 1st trimester, I believe. After that the baby is too big to be aborted. I didn’t make the rules. That’s just biology =P
Birth is good. As I believe was pointed out much earlier in this very thread, those late-pregnancy complications will kill you very suddenly. Every option, including abortion, needs to be open.
What if a man wants his partner, who is also a man, to get an abortion, and both of their fathers and several brothers and uncles agree, and the fetus is female?
VoiP – Yes, it’s fascinating the way the State-lover dodges
Maybe I make him pouty because I’m Christian (Russian Orthodox), like he claims to be, and at one point I asked him how his attitudes toward half the human race square with the words of Christ. A ringing silence was my only answer, sigh…
But of course!
( Also, may I say I love the Orthodox church? If I go back to the religious side of things, I’m definitely thinking of sailing the seas and coming to the holy city of Byzantium. Just so you all know. 😉 )
I meant after the end of the 1st trimester. >.<
Well I see plenty of mockery of the old slave yet no one answered my question of when Big Daddy has declared “life.” And whether it varies State to State and Nation to Nation.
C’mon, throw the old slave a bone. You’ll get to show how smart ya’ll are. The Question is simple, when does Big Daddy declare “life” has begun?
Can the grammar experts tell me if this is right? You can only abort a process, not an object. So, you can abort a pregnancy or a landing, but not a fetus or a plane.
Came for the flattery, stayed for the Yeats.
The World Health Organization estimated in 2009 that about 536,000 women a year die during pregnancy and childbirth.
http://whqlibdoc.who.int/hq/2009/WHO_RHR_09.06_eng.pdf
I’m having trouble finding comparable statistics for war deaths, but this group of scientists estimated that between 1955 and 2002, about 5.4 million people died from war and that between 1985 and 1994 about 378,000 died a year.
http://esciencenews.com/articles/2008/06/19/global.war.deaths.have.been.substantially.underestimated
The numbers are at the very least comparable in magnitude, and it looks like maternal mortality rates may be actually higher. Try again, NWO.
” The Question is simple, when does Big Daddy declare “life” has begun?”
I told you! After the 1st trimester! Pay attention!
3 people just answered your question Slavey, look up.
My Daddy said life begins after the kids leave home 🙂
Just for funsies, here’s some problems with “don’t kill a living person” as a standard.
What’s living? Bacteria are living. They eat, they breathe, they reproduce. And my immune system just killed a couple million or billion of them when I took a drink of water.
Okay, bacteria aren’t conscious. What’s conscious? We can’t actually know (really, I can’t know about anyone except myself), but cows sure act conscious. And I don’t see NWO railing against the injustice of hamburgers.
Okay, cows aren’t human. What’s human? My skin cells are human. I kill them by the bazillions every time I take a shower.
Okay, skin cells are human but not conscious. What’s human and conscious? Again, kind of a philosophical question, but I’d draw the bare minimum at “a person with a brain who reacts to stimuli.”
And that ought to mean that early first-trimester abortions, at least, are not killing a living person.
That’s correct, as far as I know, although there might be some debate on whether “abort a fetus” is acceptable based on common usage; the old prescriptionist/descriptionist thing.
Lots of people have answered the question, NWOslave. If you’re not even reading peoples’ responses, what’s the point of being here?