The director of the first Human Centipede film – the one about a psychopathic doctor who sews three unwilling and unwitting captives together mouth-to-anus to make a sort of “centipede” — proudly declared that his film was “100% medically accurate.” That is, he found a doctor who was willing to say that if one were indeed to create such a centipede, the second and third segments (i.e., people) would be able to survive, provided that you supplemented their rather dismal diet with IV drips to give them the nutrition they were lacking.
This dubious claim to 100% accuracy came to mind today as I perused a post by the blogger who calls himself Dalrock, a manospherian nitwit with a penchant for pseudoscientific defenses of old-fashioned misogyny. In a post with the whimsical title “We are trapped on Slut Island and Traditional Conservatives are our Gilligan,” Dalrock argues that the best “solution” to out-of-wedlock births is some good old-fashioned slut shaming.
Here’s how he breaks down the (imaginary) numbers in a post that is “100% mathematically accurate” – which is to say, not accurate at all:
Assume we are starting off with 100 sluts and 30 alphas/players. The sluts are happily riding on the alpha carousel. Now we introduce slut shaming. It isn’t fully effective of course, but it manages to convince 15 of the would be sluts not to be sluts after all. This means an additional 15 women are again potentially suitable for marriage. This directly translates into fewer fatherless children. This also makes the next round of slut shaming easier. Instead of having 99 peers eagerly cheering her on her ride, each slut now has 15 happily married women shaming her and only 84 other sluts encouraging her. After the next round this becomes 30 happily married women shaming the sluts, and only 69 other sluts cheering them on, and so on. This process continues until all but the most die hard sluts are off the carousel. You will never discourage them all, but you can do a world better than we are doing today.
Why not shame the fathers as well, while we’re at it? Dalrock explains that this just doesn’t make good mathematical sense:
Start with the same base assumption of 100 sluts and 30 players. Now apply shame to the players. Unfortunately shame is less effective on players than it is on sluts, so instead of discouraging 15% of them (4.5) in the first round, it only discourages three of them. No problem!, says the Gilligan [the social conservative], at least there are now three fewer sluts now that three of the evil alphas have been shamed away, and all without creating any unhappy sluts! But unfortunately it doesn’t work that way. The remaining 27 players are more than happy to service the extra sluts. They are quite maddeningly actually delighted with the new situation. Even worse, the next round of player shaming is even less effective than the first. This time only 2 players are discouraged, and one of the other 3 realizes that his player peers are picking up the slack anyway and reopens for business. This means in net there are still 26 players, more than enough to handle all of the sluts you can throw at them.
Well, there’s no arguing with that!
Seriously, there’s no arguing with that, because it is an imaginary construct with only the most tenuous connection with how things work in the real world. “But … MATH!” doesn’t really work as an argument here, since human beings don’t actually behave according to simplistic mathematical formulas.
Film critic note: While the first Human Centipede film offered little more than a workmanlike treatment of a fantastical idea, the recently released sequel, which details the attempts of a deranged Human Centipede superfan to take human-centipeding to the next level, is actually sort of brilliant. If you like that sort of thing.
Pregnancy is not discomfort, NWO. Pregnancy can, and often does, lead to death or serious health problems.
Also, in answer to your question: according to my ethical reasoning, it is acceptable to kill a sentient (feels pain) but not sapient (conscious) being, such as feti in most stages of pregnancy, when this causes the minimum of pain to the being killed and increases the net happiness of sapient beings. This is also my logic about when it is acceptable to kill animals.
@zhinxy
“I’ll throw you this, NWO – Heck, I’ll shout it from the rooftops. It is morally wrong for me to force you to pay money to a goverment whose morals on abortion you do not support. So I would never do so. But you would. Statist.”
As your words and the actions of feminists are opposite, I hope you don’t mind if I take your word with a bucket of salt. Being feminists are calling any cutting of your blessed PP slaughterhouses, “the war against women.”
How can anyone take anything feminists say seriously about being seen as human, when you can’t even not kill a human? And you’re totally mortified at the mere mention of not being allowed to kill. Oh how hard your lives are. Sniff, sniff, the bad man won’t let me kill. He’s so evil.
How about this as a compromise, NWOslave: “Abortions for some, miniature American flags for others”?
NWO is literally harder to argue with than some chatbots. Everyone here is making really interesting, varied points about abortion, and what do we get for our troubles?
“Don’t kill” repeated 500 times like it’s a golden turd of brilliance from the asshole of Einstein.
I wonder if NWO eats meat.
So you don’t deny it. You would force me to pay taxes to a State I did not support, and you would jail me for it. You are the one who loves Big Daddy, NWO.
You want to fuck 14-year-olds and keep women as slaves, NWO. You don’t have the moral high ground. Ever.
But seriously, I have no idea what the fuck you’re even trying to say at this point. Are feminists not human now?
“when you can’t even not kill a human?”
A fetus is not a human. It is a fetus >.>
Wonder how Meller thinks babby is formed, considering he thinks women are dolls. Must ask him next time he appears.
He’s trying to say a fetus is human, and we would kill a fetus, so we would kill humans.
Never you mind that he’s saying that – oh right, he’s saying *women* should die, and he doesn’t think women are people.
@ozymandias42
” Pregnancy can, and often does, lead to death or serious health problems.”
Often? Often leads to death? So does war, a hell of a lot more than pregnancy. Abortion leads to death at around 100%.
Seconded, and I’m not even the one who’d be pregnant.
Uh huh, and?
You still seem to be under the impression that most feminists are pro-war.
So no-one should be forced to go to war and perhaps die for others, and no-one should be forced to give birth and perhaps die for another, right? Right?
No, I have to pay taxes to NWO’s Good Father State, and he probably still has an army, a death penalty, schools, and other things I don’t agree with. Statist. Statist. Statist.
Fetuses die in wars, too.
but magpie, the women sit on the sides of the wars and dream about their pretty silk dresses!!!
As usual, NWOslave’s conception of “what women do right” is “bend over and let it happen.” As if babies are just born off in a cloud somewhere above the mother’s head, with no effect on the mother; as if doing right by a child is not an obligation requiring effort but just stepping out of the way while a newborn lifts its own way out through the vaginal canal by its own bootstraps. “Just don’t kill, that’s all” demonstrates that Owlyslave takes children far less seriously than people who think women should be allowed to have abortions take them.
Um, as a person whose life was actually, literally saved at a Planned Parenthood (because they caught and treated my cervical cancer when I was underemployed and had no health insurance), I must confess that calling defunding PP a war against women certainly seems entirely appropriate. How about it, milkslave? You love and respect all life! Would you root for my life in that situation, or the cancer’s life?
Seeing as how I’ve never killed a human, I’ll just ignore this part. But again, life =/ human =/ person.
And again, people kill all the time. Think of all the poor skin cells you killed when you were tying those cables! Think of all those poor brain cells you killed … whenever you killed all your poor brain cells! Think of all the lives that you end just by walking down the street or scratching yourself! You’re not allowed to kill, milkslave! Whatever will you do???
An oak is a tree because it was a tree from the beginning. If it hadn’t been a tree then it could never be a tree now. It’s a tree now because seeds are trees. It could never exist as a tree unless it always had been. ACORN = TREE.
My mother was in labor for 36 hours with me before they finally did the C-Section. (Later, they found out that the cord was wrapped around my neck three times.) It saved her life, but for some reason the epidural didn’t work. She felt everything when they cut into her. Could you force someone to do that against her will without quailing?
haha! I was just thinking on that Joanna. Actually it is something I’m considering. Oh noes! guess if I get my tubes tied that means I revoke my lady status as incubator!
too bad so sad.
And guys, its so obvious NWO values human life. Unless that human life is a woman.
I met a woman who gave birth to stillborn twins in the ruins of Nagasaki, NWO. I’m sure she just wanted a pretty kimono, you’ll tell me.
What if the man wants the woman to get an abortion, NWO? You never did answer Holly on that one. In your world, men never ever want women to abort?
@Joanna: listen to NWO bleat on this topic is making my tubes want to tie themselves. He keeps it up, they just might.
DSC wrote, “Pregnancy is a very high risk issue (one in ten risk of serious complications, and that’s in a developed country).”
Stuff like this makes me wonder why we’ve managed to reproduce this long at all. 😛
NWO, what about a system where women have to give birth, but then men must stay home and in physical contact with the child(ren) at all times for the next several years, and must donate blood/tissue/organs/anything necessary for the kid’s well-being without the option of refusing? Naturally the men would also not be allowed to engage in any behaviors that might endanger themselves or the kid either, such as drinking or staying up super late or eating junk food, because their every physical function must be devoted to their offspring. Would that seem fair to you?
zhinxy, have you noticed that he never responds to me, and rarely responds to you?