The director of the first Human Centipede film – the one about a psychopathic doctor who sews three unwilling and unwitting captives together mouth-to-anus to make a sort of “centipede” — proudly declared that his film was “100% medically accurate.” That is, he found a doctor who was willing to say that if one were indeed to create such a centipede, the second and third segments (i.e., people) would be able to survive, provided that you supplemented their rather dismal diet with IV drips to give them the nutrition they were lacking.
This dubious claim to 100% accuracy came to mind today as I perused a post by the blogger who calls himself Dalrock, a manospherian nitwit with a penchant for pseudoscientific defenses of old-fashioned misogyny. In a post with the whimsical title “We are trapped on Slut Island and Traditional Conservatives are our Gilligan,” Dalrock argues that the best “solution” to out-of-wedlock births is some good old-fashioned slut shaming.
Here’s how he breaks down the (imaginary) numbers in a post that is “100% mathematically accurate” – which is to say, not accurate at all:
Assume we are starting off with 100 sluts and 30 alphas/players. The sluts are happily riding on the alpha carousel. Now we introduce slut shaming. It isn’t fully effective of course, but it manages to convince 15 of the would be sluts not to be sluts after all. This means an additional 15 women are again potentially suitable for marriage. This directly translates into fewer fatherless children. This also makes the next round of slut shaming easier. Instead of having 99 peers eagerly cheering her on her ride, each slut now has 15 happily married women shaming her and only 84 other sluts encouraging her. After the next round this becomes 30 happily married women shaming the sluts, and only 69 other sluts cheering them on, and so on. This process continues until all but the most die hard sluts are off the carousel. You will never discourage them all, but you can do a world better than we are doing today.
Why not shame the fathers as well, while we’re at it? Dalrock explains that this just doesn’t make good mathematical sense:
Start with the same base assumption of 100 sluts and 30 players. Now apply shame to the players. Unfortunately shame is less effective on players than it is on sluts, so instead of discouraging 15% of them (4.5) in the first round, it only discourages three of them. No problem!, says the Gilligan [the social conservative], at least there are now three fewer sluts now that three of the evil alphas have been shamed away, and all without creating any unhappy sluts! But unfortunately it doesn’t work that way. The remaining 27 players are more than happy to service the extra sluts. They are quite maddeningly actually delighted with the new situation. Even worse, the next round of player shaming is even less effective than the first. This time only 2 players are discouraged, and one of the other 3 realizes that his player peers are picking up the slack anyway and reopens for business. This means in net there are still 26 players, more than enough to handle all of the sluts you can throw at them.
Well, there’s no arguing with that!
Seriously, there’s no arguing with that, because it is an imaginary construct with only the most tenuous connection with how things work in the real world. “But … MATH!” doesn’t really work as an argument here, since human beings don’t actually behave according to simplistic mathematical formulas.
Film critic note: While the first Human Centipede film offered little more than a workmanlike treatment of a fantastical idea, the recently released sequel, which details the attempts of a deranged Human Centipede superfan to take human-centipeding to the next level, is actually sort of brilliant. If you like that sort of thing.
moar about babies mad thinking and learning skillz
Babies learn while they sleep
http://news.medill.northwestern.edu/chicago/news.aspx?id=166454
Children do learn differently
http://pubs.ext.vt.edu/350/350-055/350-055.html
But they learn
http://www.princeton.edu/futureofchildren/publications/journals/article/index.xml?journalid=44&articleid=186§ionid=1212
While there’s a huge creation of neurons during the first few years, we can keep our neurons growing and connecting all through life by learning new things.
What new things have you learned lately, NWO?
@Bee
“Then why the fuck were you yammering on about a fetus or a newborn being an autonomous being, mikslave? It seems like you could remain consistent for at least a period of three consecutive comments.”
I am being consistent. That was in response to CBs arguement on why it’s OK to slaughter the unborn.
How about you? Will you field my question? I’ve answered tons today.
Here it is.
What’s a good excuse to murder an unborn child who has never committed even the slightest offense to anyone?
By your logic, you are a murderer if you haven’t donated all your organs. Are you a murderer, milkboy?
At some point, I think I’m a murderer just for not being pregnant right now. There’s a hypothetical child out there that I haven’t conceived, and I am murdering that child.
Toss one in the woods and see
WTF?/ Goalposts whizzing past.
A shitload of adult human beings could not survive if they were tossed into the woods, naked, including yourself!
Look at the number of deaths of hikers and climbers and such every year–and they’re freaking equipped.
WTF does that have to do with anything?
“What’s a good excuse to murder an unborn child who has never committed even the slightest offense to anyone?”
I’ll say it again, NWOslave thinks “abortion” is always when we cut the baby out in the 7th month and knock it on the head. If the condom breaks during sex and I take Plan B the same day, is that “murder”, NWOslave?
Abortion existed long before Roe v. Wade, NWO. And abortion was legal before it was illegal. Women have terminated unwanted pregnancies for centuries. I don’t agree with your definition of the beginning of life. Hell, a woman is not even pregnant upon conception; implantation remains the standard. But I strongly doubt you have the rudimentary knowledge of reproduction to understand, or care about the difference. The fact that you compare newborns to zygotes is ample proof of that.
But stating, repeatedly, that the government created abortion is absurd, revisionist history. Even for you Which… I don’t know. Revisionist history is probably the only thing at which you excel.
Interestingly enough, although the “pollice verso” (the hand gesture which decided the fate of defeated gladiators) is commonly thought to be a thumbs up or thumbs down, there’s no actual indication of what the specific gesture was, other than that it involved thumbs.
So you, personally, value human life, milkslave? Quick question: Unemployed woman and her three kids. Single mom. She knows who the dads are, but they don’t pay child support. She used to have a job, but the third kid is sick, needs a lot of attention, etc. In your worldview, who makes sure that she and the kids don’t starve, long term? Who makes sure that they have the health care they need? Do you think she should be able to report sexual harassment and sexual violence to the police and be protected? What about her 13-year-old daughter — should she be protected from sexual harassment and sexual violence?
I really don’t think you value human life, milkslave. You don’t even do a job pretending you do.
@Rutee Katreya
“By your logic, you are a murderer if you haven’t donated all your organs. Are you a murderer, milkboy?”
No, that’s by your logic, which isn’t logic at all. How many organs does a woman donate to the fetus? A detailed listing would be most appreciated.
“What’s a good excuse to murder an unborn child who has never committed even the slightest offense to anyone?”
NWO, that answer is a bit light on practical details, and I’m not sure how it applies to my question.
The question was: what should my friend have done about the skull stuck in her tube?
“How many organs does a woman donate to the fetus? A detailed listing would be most appreciated.”
Nah, we just feed it with the nutrients we eat and share a bloodstream and make a whole ‘nother organ for it…
@Nobinayamu
Were you a zygote?
I just thought I would re-race some of what NWO wrote to show just how bigoted he really is.
Why yes, NWO, science has found that things like stereotype threat do indeed affect performance on objective tests. It’s called stereotype threat and has measurable, repeatable effects. People of darker skin tones and women are, in fact, just as good as straight white males in the whole dinkum thinkum department given similar education and other conditions, but their performance can be affected by stereotypes. You’re very astute!
Funny, but reading that I would have thought you thought there was something somehow wrong with this conclusion. If you were a lesser man, I might think that your mind could not handle the idea that people can be negatively influenced by other people, but I know better.
No, slavey, you were responding to my comment pointing out the fact that you don’t know what the word “autonomous” means, despite having used it several times. Your ignorance of newborn behavior is an entirely separate issue.
“If you were a lesser man, I might think that your mind could not handle the idea that people can be negatively influenced by other people, but I know better.”
Since NWOslave is made up of nothing *but* negativity, he’s never had this problem. It’s like the ocean worrying about getting wet!
The use of her uterus and stomach. Abortion is nothing more and nothing less than denying the use of the mother’s body to the fetus. That it can’t survive is a shame, but it’s hardly murder, anymore than your refusal to donate the use of your organs to other people who will die without them is murder. So thanks for answering, Milkboy, by your logic, you’re a murderer. We already know you’re a wannabe rapist, from your rape slave fantasies (No, seriously, we’re not going to forget).
Pretty much all the woman’s organs contribute to the fetus, by handling its nutrient exchange and immune system and all that for up to 9 months, although it only physically occupies or displaces a few organs.
NWO doesn’t give a shit about people outside the womb, especially if they’re women.
Lear what “autonomous” means, NWO.
So what happens to me if I won’t pay taxes to support your stripped down Womb Police State, NWO? You throw me in prison? You support the father’s right to “kill the murderer of his child.” So are you pro death penalty? I am not. If I refuse to pay taxes to your death penalty State? You throw me in prison?
@Molly Ren
You didn’t make a whole ‘nother organ for it. If anything, that seperate life form made it. That’d be a biological function.
Are women born with a fetus? Are women born with that whole ‘nother organ? That’s how you know a child isn’t part of you. The only thing a woman has to do in order for that seperate life form to reach their potential, barring any unforeseen complications, is not kill.
And women die in childbirth, NWO. By definition, a woman risks her life to bring another into the world. How can you mandate this risk by law? And what will you do to me if I refuse to pay your taxes?
How is babby formed??
We’re arguing about personhood with a guy who doesn’t actually view women as people.
Owly, do you know what a placenta is?