The director of the first Human Centipede film – the one about a psychopathic doctor who sews three unwilling and unwitting captives together mouth-to-anus to make a sort of “centipede” — proudly declared that his film was “100% medically accurate.” That is, he found a doctor who was willing to say that if one were indeed to create such a centipede, the second and third segments (i.e., people) would be able to survive, provided that you supplemented their rather dismal diet with IV drips to give them the nutrition they were lacking.
This dubious claim to 100% accuracy came to mind today as I perused a post by the blogger who calls himself Dalrock, a manospherian nitwit with a penchant for pseudoscientific defenses of old-fashioned misogyny. In a post with the whimsical title “We are trapped on Slut Island and Traditional Conservatives are our Gilligan,” Dalrock argues that the best “solution” to out-of-wedlock births is some good old-fashioned slut shaming.
Here’s how he breaks down the (imaginary) numbers in a post that is “100% mathematically accurate” – which is to say, not accurate at all:
Assume we are starting off with 100 sluts and 30 alphas/players. The sluts are happily riding on the alpha carousel. Now we introduce slut shaming. It isn’t fully effective of course, but it manages to convince 15 of the would be sluts not to be sluts after all. This means an additional 15 women are again potentially suitable for marriage. This directly translates into fewer fatherless children. This also makes the next round of slut shaming easier. Instead of having 99 peers eagerly cheering her on her ride, each slut now has 15 happily married women shaming her and only 84 other sluts encouraging her. After the next round this becomes 30 happily married women shaming the sluts, and only 69 other sluts cheering them on, and so on. This process continues until all but the most die hard sluts are off the carousel. You will never discourage them all, but you can do a world better than we are doing today.
Why not shame the fathers as well, while we’re at it? Dalrock explains that this just doesn’t make good mathematical sense:
Start with the same base assumption of 100 sluts and 30 players. Now apply shame to the players. Unfortunately shame is less effective on players than it is on sluts, so instead of discouraging 15% of them (4.5) in the first round, it only discourages three of them. No problem!, says the Gilligan [the social conservative], at least there are now three fewer sluts now that three of the evil alphas have been shamed away, and all without creating any unhappy sluts! But unfortunately it doesn’t work that way. The remaining 27 players are more than happy to service the extra sluts. They are quite maddeningly actually delighted with the new situation. Even worse, the next round of player shaming is even less effective than the first. This time only 2 players are discouraged, and one of the other 3 realizes that his player peers are picking up the slack anyway and reopens for business. This means in net there are still 26 players, more than enough to handle all of the sluts you can throw at them.
Well, there’s no arguing with that!
Seriously, there’s no arguing with that, because it is an imaginary construct with only the most tenuous connection with how things work in the real world. “But … MATH!” doesn’t really work as an argument here, since human beings don’t actually behave according to simplistic mathematical formulas.
Film critic note: While the first Human Centipede film offered little more than a workmanlike treatment of a fantastical idea, the recently released sequel, which details the attempts of a deranged Human Centipede superfan to take human-centipeding to the next level, is actually sort of brilliant. If you like that sort of thing.
@zhinxy
I shouldn’t have to monitor all women. Don’t kill. It really is a simple rule. Let’s be real here, women slaughter more unborn in 1 year than every american military death combined since the start of this country. Yet again, women are given a pass. It ani’t murder if a woman does it.
So how will you prevent them from “getting a pass” in your State, and why should I pay taxes to support it?
Abortion isn’t killing a child. It’s refusing to let a potential baby continue to use your body. It is as much ‘killing’ as the fact that you haven’t donated your organs to medicine.
The cornerstone of feminism. “Thou shalt kill.”
The cornerstone of hypocrisy: Thou shalt call others Statists while wishing to use the force of law to control them.
zhinxy. Don’t kill. Or am I asking too much?
NWOslave, let’s say I got pregnant by accident. I’d have to face these problems:
* The amount of money I’m making now is only enough for one person, though I have tried to change this over the past two years.
* I have no experience with raising children (I did office work instead of babysitting as a teen).
* Being pregnant plays havoc with your emotions, and there’s already a history of depression in my family. I literally can’t afford to have this extra burden (see point one).
* If I had the baby, I couldn’t expect any help raising it from friends or family, who are also cash-strapped.
What would you suggest I do in this situation? Does it sound like I could take care of a child?
What if the father wants me to have an abortion, NWO? What if it’s his decision?
A pregnant woman who aborts is no more a murderer than you are for not donating a kidney.
I think NWOslave is imagining we all yank the baby out and knock it on the head at 7 months, rather than freaking out when a condom breaks or we miss a period.
@Molly Ren
Don’t kill. It’s the simplest of requests.
I’m too poor so I kill.
I’m not experienced so I kill.
I’m depressed so I kill.
No one helps me so I kill.
Are any of these valid reasons to kill?
NWO, do you have all your organs still? Because if there’s anything you haven’t donated, your logic makes you a murderer.
zhinxy. Don’t kill. Or am I asking too much?
I would not. Here’s the thing, I don’t like abortion. But I must respect the bodily autonomy of others, and there is no way for me to police their actions. The wrong I would do in using the force of law to prevent abortion is greater than the right I would do. That is how I was raised, that is what I believe. That is how I was a Christian, that is how I am whatever I am now. I believe in supporting women. I believe in providing sex ed and effective contraception (Don’t even say it, I already told you I am against state schools). I believe in bulding a society of peace and plenty, where a woman will not face such harsh choices in whether or not to bring a life into the world. I believe in freedom, and opportunities for teenage mothers, like I was. I believe in life and living. I believe in the right to privacy. I believe in women.
You believe in force, hatred and tyranny.
Well, can I send my baby to *you*, then? It might live as long as it’s in the womb, but I don’t see how I could manage to give it much of a life once it was born.
Are any of them valid reasons to create a new person?
NWO is all over the place. He avoids simple questions wherever it is convenient for him, so he never has to question his own beliefs and can continue blaming women for everything wrong in the world.
Seriously, NWO, how are women as a whole responsible for men dying at war?
Because if you don’t have a real answer, you should shut the fuck up.
NWO, I commend you on your patience skills, how do you do it?
teh Western Woman . Lol 🙂
Wow, Chuckles here must be really pathetic if zie has to stoop to congratulating NWO XD
“No one helps me” IS a serious problem, NWOslave. How am I supposed to feed the child once the milk runs out? How am I supposed to buy it clothes? Diapers? I can barely afford basic stuff for ME.
If I were ever in the unlikely* situation of getting a woman pregnant, I’d prefer her to terminate it. It would be her choice what to do, obviously, but if I’m going to be honest, I’d much rather not have children.
If (the hypothetical) she and I both want the abortion, then who’ll be the one to punish her? Certainly not me. It would have to be a government body of some sort. As Zhinxy says, it would need to be funded somehow. How is this going to be set up?
*Unlikely in that I doubt I’ll be having sex anytime soon, and I’d definitely use protection if I were to.
At the risk of derailing the thread (and seeming to ignore Molly R’s last post, which, Molly, I swear I’m not, I apologize), may I just say that being a newbie here, I am thoroughly enjoying the kind and often humorous words of all the NON MRA folk: like Molly, hellkell, Joe, Holly, zhinxy, Oz….forgive me whomever I’ve missed. I do look forward to the next Cynikal (sp? sorry dude, having a bad night) post, because he too always usually makes me laugh and writes cool stuff. You guys rawk! Especially on a night like tonight when I had to work, got ill and missed TSO…..damn new anti-depressants…;)
Molly Ren raises some good questions, Slavey, and just so you know–adoption is not always the easy answer! I know of a few hard-working, decent, sane couples who had a shitload of headaches just trying to adopt a child….the US doesn’t always make the process so easy. And again–women are NOT INCUBATORS!! Abortion isn’t birth control, but it is not murder, either. And unless you’re the woman who actually has to carry the child AND bring it into the world (plus often, be the primary caregiver), you have NO idea what a nightmare an unplanned pregnancy can be. I know of NO WOMEN who deliberately get pregnant just to undergo an abortion–ridiculous!!! When women are allowed to plan their families, they do, and quite responsibly. You need to do better research on this stuff, because all you’ve got to support your arguments are OPINIONS….and of a man who can’t get pregnant, at that.
It also sounds like you dig religion, or even church, Slavey…but it makes me wonder what sort of ….stuff your pastor is feeding you. Hooooboy……..
For NWO: http://whyevolutionistrue.wordpress.com/2011/11/07/mississippi/this-is-not-a-difficult-concept/
zhinxy: Yeah, I’m not pretending that, if I *did* end up in this situation, it wouldn’t suck balls. If I had more faith in my mental health and the adoption system I’d consider bringing an accidental pregnancy to term… but as me with sole breadwinner, and failing at that? It would be an impossible situation.
Ultimately, by the way, I’m with Zhinxy here – I’m not pro- or anti-abortion, I’m pro-realizing it’s not my decision to make. Some people get abortions that I think are bad decisions, and that’s their right. (Some people go through with pregnancies that I think are terrible decisions, and ditto.) I get to disagree; I don’t get to stop them.
The question for me isn’t “is abortion right or wrong?” I think it’s right sometimes and wrong sometimes, but I also think that what I think shouldn’t matter here. The real question is “is it right to forcibly prevent people from having safe abortions?”
I don’t think that’s something the state should get a say in.
NWO, are you personally going to take care of these unwanted babies or support charities that do?
Until you personally can have a kid or you’re 100% willing to do what I sad above, you might think about shutting up about abortion.