The director of the first Human Centipede film – the one about a psychopathic doctor who sews three unwilling and unwitting captives together mouth-to-anus to make a sort of “centipede” — proudly declared that his film was “100% medically accurate.” That is, he found a doctor who was willing to say that if one were indeed to create such a centipede, the second and third segments (i.e., people) would be able to survive, provided that you supplemented their rather dismal diet with IV drips to give them the nutrition they were lacking.
This dubious claim to 100% accuracy came to mind today as I perused a post by the blogger who calls himself Dalrock, a manospherian nitwit with a penchant for pseudoscientific defenses of old-fashioned misogyny. In a post with the whimsical title “We are trapped on Slut Island and Traditional Conservatives are our Gilligan,” Dalrock argues that the best “solution” to out-of-wedlock births is some good old-fashioned slut shaming.
Here’s how he breaks down the (imaginary) numbers in a post that is “100% mathematically accurate” – which is to say, not accurate at all:
Assume we are starting off with 100 sluts and 30 alphas/players. The sluts are happily riding on the alpha carousel. Now we introduce slut shaming. It isn’t fully effective of course, but it manages to convince 15 of the would be sluts not to be sluts after all. This means an additional 15 women are again potentially suitable for marriage. This directly translates into fewer fatherless children. This also makes the next round of slut shaming easier. Instead of having 99 peers eagerly cheering her on her ride, each slut now has 15 happily married women shaming her and only 84 other sluts encouraging her. After the next round this becomes 30 happily married women shaming the sluts, and only 69 other sluts cheering them on, and so on. This process continues until all but the most die hard sluts are off the carousel. You will never discourage them all, but you can do a world better than we are doing today.
Why not shame the fathers as well, while we’re at it? Dalrock explains that this just doesn’t make good mathematical sense:
Start with the same base assumption of 100 sluts and 30 players. Now apply shame to the players. Unfortunately shame is less effective on players than it is on sluts, so instead of discouraging 15% of them (4.5) in the first round, it only discourages three of them. No problem!, says the Gilligan [the social conservative], at least there are now three fewer sluts now that three of the evil alphas have been shamed away, and all without creating any unhappy sluts! But unfortunately it doesn’t work that way. The remaining 27 players are more than happy to service the extra sluts. They are quite maddeningly actually delighted with the new situation. Even worse, the next round of player shaming is even less effective than the first. This time only 2 players are discouraged, and one of the other 3 realizes that his player peers are picking up the slack anyway and reopens for business. This means in net there are still 26 players, more than enough to handle all of the sluts you can throw at them.
Well, there’s no arguing with that!
Seriously, there’s no arguing with that, because it is an imaginary construct with only the most tenuous connection with how things work in the real world. “But … MATH!” doesn’t really work as an argument here, since human beings don’t actually behave according to simplistic mathematical formulas.
Film critic note: While the first Human Centipede film offered little more than a workmanlike treatment of a fantastical idea, the recently released sequel, which details the attempts of a deranged Human Centipede superfan to take human-centipeding to the next level, is actually sort of brilliant. If you like that sort of thing.
The comments are hilarious too. Do these people actually realize that they don’t live in a world that most of us would recognize as the real one?
This one’s from “P Ray”, who I think is a regular at Omega Virgin Revolt (which itself speaks volumes):
Well, I didn’t meet my wife until we were both in our mid-thirties, and she definitely wasn’t a virgin when we met. In fact, unless she was lying (and she had no motive for doing so that I could see) she’d had considerably more sexual partners in her twenties than I had. Does this mean that I’m “not being respected”? Presumably yes, but I’m baffled as to what I’m supposed to do about it – not least because for some unaccountable reason I actively prefer sexually confident women who are completely comfortable with their own bodies to shy and inexperienced beginners.
And then there’s this comment from Anonymous, who I’m willing to bet has rarely spoken to a real live woman outside his family or a commercial transaction in a shop, restaurant etc.
I love the way he refers to “females” and “the female” as though he’s writing an in-depth anthropological research paper. But, again, this doesn’t chime with my experience at all – granted, I certainly don’t always do what my partners have asked me to do, but if catering for their wishes was a genuine rarity on my part I can be pretty sure that every one of them would have said “well, fuck you then” and looked elsewhere.
I’m pretty sure women age at the same rate if they’re single.
There seems to be this persistent misogynist myth that having sex has a rapid-aging effect on a woman. Like if you have too much sex you’ll have deep wrinkles and white hair by thirty, because sex is actually a magic timewarp potion. Whereas a thirty-year-old virgin would obviously look seventeen.
It’s bizarre, it’s almost cartoon-like in its degree of magical thinking, but apparently these guys really really want sex to have an irreplaceable cost to women. Because God forbid women could have sex and still be the same person afterwards.
If there are 100 sluts and 30 players, how many fatherless children would there be? Round your answer to two decimal places.
Some math hint: you PUAs/MRAs might have better luck getting it on with women if you didn’t only try to date/boink the 1%. Just saying.
What’s hilarious about that thread is that these guys believe that social conservatives have encouraged feminism and are controlling the US. Then a social conservative called flenser tried to discuss it with them and fed up, he finally he left them calling them stupid. I think Dalrock needs to go on Rush Limbaugh and calls him a feminist. That would be very funny.
DKM: Here, fixing that for yo:
DKM:
Wouldn’t all of the arguments regarding ‘sluts” and the “cause” and “cure” of “sluthood”–sexual overactivity and promiscuity by males–be rendered obsolete if boys were subject to closer and more consistant supervision by their families, communities, and the larger society from early childhood till marriage?
You can’t have “sluts” if the sexual availability of boys is strictly contained or forbidden, if unmarried boys from good families are simply unavailable for use, and even for observation without the knowledge and consent of the father, mother, and perhaps older men of the family, along with close and trusted friends or neighbors to say nothing about, (if called for) the local constabulary!
DKM ranting in a very over the top hyperbolic way to Molly Ren’s completely reasonable question:
You wanna be a “fighter pilot”, Molly Ren? Oh Gosh, I don’t know!! Ask the other fighter pilots! Ask their Commander! Ask the manufacturers of the fighter aircraft if they are safe to be piloted by mere women! Ask the insurance companies who after all, have millions of $$$ on the safety and reliability of this mess! Ask the crews of the real fighter pilots would they feel safe, and would they be able to concentrate on their jobs in combat being piloted by a female?
Go be a goddam fighter pilot, Molly Ren! Things in feministville are so utterly goofy, I don’t know what the hell to do!
Note how much of his language implies that the mere thought of a woman fighter pilot is completely impossible.
Except that a few seconds of Googling reveals, what do ya know, WOMEN FIGHTER PILOTS EXIST AND HAVE FOR SOME TIME:
http://userpages.aug.com/captbarb/fighters.html
http://userpages.aug.com/captbarb/pilots.html
http://www.google.com/search?q=women+fighter+pilots&hl=en&rlz=1C1ARAB_enUS452US452&prmd=imvns&tbm=isch&tbo=u&source=univ&sa=X&ei=FyfJTujQJo3Atge6ppjWCw&ved=0CC0QsAQ&biw=1024&bih=499
DKM, while you’ve been locked up with your china dolls, real women are doing a lot of things you think is impossible, or just feministgoofyville ideas.
Is this the sort of reality that’s driving you further into the closet with your girlies?
OT, but the O Henry story Hershele referred to is “The Cop and the Anthem”. It’s about a homeless man who goes around trying to get arrested so he can spend the winter in jail. I won’t spoil the ending because it’s a charming story in its own way: http://www.enotes.com/best-o-henry-text/the-cop-and-the-anthem
Holly, I was wondering about that too – what do they think sex does to women? I can sort of see that, if you spend a lot of your time in clubs, don’t get enough sleep, drink too much, and smoke, you might age faster than someone who stays home and watches Dragonball Z, because your lifestyle puts a lot of stress on your body. But not all sexually active women act like Snooki! I’d say that only a very small minority do!
And I defy any MRA to look at a woman and accurately guess either her age or the number of sex partners she’s had. In fact, if any of our resident trolls can look at my avatar and tell me accurately how many partners I’ve had, along with a detailed description of how they arrived at that number, I will post a video montage of cute photos of my dogs.
In case my avatar is too small for a scientifically accurate calculation, here is my most recent headshot:
http://kristinmh.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/12/Divas-071-Edit.jpg
Taken in July. So tell me, MRAs, how old am I? How many people have I slept with? How can you tell?
You’re so pretty, Kristin ^_^
I think older women are much hotter than older men, on average (though that might just be my own particular tastes). I wonder where misogynists get this idea that women “go bad” with age but men do not.
DSC: Because their penises are the ultimate arbitrers of beauty now and forever, amen.
I’m really starting to worry about small, light objects in the vicinity of NWO’s head. That black hole seems to just keep expanding – it’s only a matter of time before it starts pulling more than text in.
Meller: I wanted very badly to be a fighter pilot when I was younger – carry on the family legacy and all that. But then I hit a major growth spurt and most of it was in my legs, well, the femurs specifically. They got long enough that my knees would be under the instrument panel while flying, and… well, you don’t ant anything impeding you legs when you have to eject – amputation above the knees has no appeal to me.
Can you do this anyway? Because, um, dogs?
God, I hope Samuel doesn’t come back right now…
They need to believe that all young women that rejected them will be alone and rejected by all men when they age – and at the same time they are obsessed by teenagers and underage girls. And they need to believe that when they will be 50 years old, 20 years old women will chase them to have their babies.
And I agree that Kristin is pretty.
this just in, rockstars get laid more than PUA’s
http://www.contactmusic.com/news/lemmy-ive-bedded-1000-sex-partners_1204592
Joanna – thanks! I clean up OK. I don’t normally walk around like that, though. XD
Bee – well, since no one has taken up my challenge, I will!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pGyY2kntBqE
When Ben was away on tour last year I took a picture of the dogs every day to send to him, then made a video montage of the best ones. I think I like the one of Madeline on the piano bench best.
DOGGIES!
They’re very cute, kristinmh! Hounds are great. A nose you could land a plane on.
Here’s my dumb dog video. Not that anyone asked, but DOGGIES!
Bee, they’re hilarious! What are their names? I love how the one on the left is all, “what the fuck is your deal?”
PUGS! I love pugs! They are the cutest, Bee.
@Quackers
“Care to provide some proof for this “low self esteem defense?”
Here ya go
http://www.news.com.au/national/woman-gets-no-jail-for-sex-abuse/story-e6frfkvr-1226171268758
I wonder if that 12 year old boy will grow up to be rapists? Wasn’t that feminist judge quite harsh in her sentencing? Hey! Maybe we could send them young chaps to a therapist? Of course since almost all therapists are leftists, and oddly enough women, they’ll no doubt tell those boys women are just the cats whiskers. And NAWALT, and they’ll need to control their sexuality. Maybe they can teach them to be gay, so they won’t be a threat to women!
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For all you strong, independent lassies who wanna be CEOs and in positions of power, quotas are sweeping the planet.
http://www.sacbee.com/2011/11/16/4058632/european-quotas-for-women-ceos.html
Qualifications needed; Are you a woman? The savviest man in economics is no match for any woman when applying for employment as a CEO of a large company.
And for all you gals who wanna cruise into STEM in college, here’s just one entitlement among thousands.
http://www.nytimes.com/2011/11/06/education/edlife/closing-the-girl-gap-in-science.html?_r=4&pagewanted=1&ref=edlife
Here’s a quote from the article… “This is happening as a growing chorus of educators and officials at the Department of Education make pointed efforts to steer young women to STEM majors.”
Ooooo! A chorus of efforts. I wonder what the cost’ll be for men to help only women? And if I don’t pay my taxes, which helps only women achieve and actively hobbles men, I’ll not only be dubbed a misogynist, I’ll go to jail!
Look at how well Title IX and the new, progressive primary education has worked already! It seems all you gotta do is dope up little boys with ridilin because they’re just so durned active. Take away merit and competition in the classroom, which boys thrive on and grade them on conformity and behavior instead. Reward girls with a gazillion girls are great rallies, a bazzilion girls only programs. Teach everyone how girls have always been oppressed. Guess who the oppressors are? And after a while you’ll have feminists like Hanna Rosin tromping about the country preaching how women are soooooo superior when the, (hahahahaha), playing field is level.
Oh Big Daddy, we love you!
Close down all those nasty prisons for women so we can cite statistics of how only men are incarcerated as proof of womens goody-goodness!
Pour all educational funding into only women funds as proof of womens smarty-smartness!
Make quotas galore as proof of womens superiorty in all high paying employment and State positions. (No icky dirty jobs for you).
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@zhinxy
So you say you served on a ship. How nice. I’m sure it was quite a comfort to know if any action, (death) had arisen youd’ve had an entire shipload of men who’d kill/die at your disposal. It’s easy to say Id’ve killed/died to save my crewmates, but a bit more difficult to actually do either. Don’tcha think?
In the grand scheme of 5k years of recorded history how many men have been left choiceless to kill or die to save women and children? Their wives, sisters, sons and daughters? How many have willingly gave up their lives to save the same? How many women were so willing to kill or die for their loved ones? Or men they didn’t even know? Go kill for me, go die for me has been cried out for millenia. And then women sit back smugly pointing the finger at men for all the death and destruction.
Oh the gang at the top has always been quite adept at preying upon womens fears, and using women against men to shame them into killing and dying for them. They use mens natural instinct to protect those weaker than themselves as well. The word, “rape” becomes a weapon. “The bad men over there will rape your wives and daughters, go kill go die.” And then the oppossing side screams, “Look! They’ve come! Innocent women and children are being injured! Go kill, go die!” Yes indeedy. The gang at the top has always known the nature of men and women. The very nature you deny exists. And how they laugh as they use your nature against men.
DKM doesn’t get that it’s not about what he thinks people should or shouldn’t be able to do. The whole point of being libertarian is that other people can’t impose their opinions of what you should be doing on you, no?
Whose job is it to stop women from being fighter pilots?
Yay, doggies! So cute!
More dogginess (because I will take basically any excuse to show off my sweetie):
http://youtu.be/f8Sipazo2rI
NWO: I agree, your first link is horrible, and everyone who opposes rape culture ought to oppose it. Rapists deserve to be punished, regardless of gender. 🙁
I think you are confused, NWO. We support women being in the military and having crappy jobs, and male nonviolent offenders who have good behavior and are the primary caregivers of children getting to leave jail. (I actually found out about it on Alas A Blog, a feminist blog that was quite outraged it wasn’t extended to men.)