The director of the first Human Centipede film – the one about a psychopathic doctor who sews three unwilling and unwitting captives together mouth-to-anus to make a sort of “centipede” — proudly declared that his film was “100% medically accurate.” That is, he found a doctor who was willing to say that if one were indeed to create such a centipede, the second and third segments (i.e., people) would be able to survive, provided that you supplemented their rather dismal diet with IV drips to give them the nutrition they were lacking.
This dubious claim to 100% accuracy came to mind today as I perused a post by the blogger who calls himself Dalrock, a manospherian nitwit with a penchant for pseudoscientific defenses of old-fashioned misogyny. In a post with the whimsical title “We are trapped on Slut Island and Traditional Conservatives are our Gilligan,” Dalrock argues that the best “solution” to out-of-wedlock births is some good old-fashioned slut shaming.
Here’s how he breaks down the (imaginary) numbers in a post that is “100% mathematically accurate” – which is to say, not accurate at all:
Assume we are starting off with 100 sluts and 30 alphas/players. The sluts are happily riding on the alpha carousel. Now we introduce slut shaming. It isn’t fully effective of course, but it manages to convince 15 of the would be sluts not to be sluts after all. This means an additional 15 women are again potentially suitable for marriage. This directly translates into fewer fatherless children. This also makes the next round of slut shaming easier. Instead of having 99 peers eagerly cheering her on her ride, each slut now has 15 happily married women shaming her and only 84 other sluts encouraging her. After the next round this becomes 30 happily married women shaming the sluts, and only 69 other sluts cheering them on, and so on. This process continues until all but the most die hard sluts are off the carousel. You will never discourage them all, but you can do a world better than we are doing today.
Why not shame the fathers as well, while we’re at it? Dalrock explains that this just doesn’t make good mathematical sense:
Start with the same base assumption of 100 sluts and 30 players. Now apply shame to the players. Unfortunately shame is less effective on players than it is on sluts, so instead of discouraging 15% of them (4.5) in the first round, it only discourages three of them. No problem!, says the Gilligan [the social conservative], at least there are now three fewer sluts now that three of the evil alphas have been shamed away, and all without creating any unhappy sluts! But unfortunately it doesn’t work that way. The remaining 27 players are more than happy to service the extra sluts. They are quite maddeningly actually delighted with the new situation. Even worse, the next round of player shaming is even less effective than the first. This time only 2 players are discouraged, and one of the other 3 realizes that his player peers are picking up the slack anyway and reopens for business. This means in net there are still 26 players, more than enough to handle all of the sluts you can throw at them.
Well, there’s no arguing with that!
Seriously, there’s no arguing with that, because it is an imaginary construct with only the most tenuous connection with how things work in the real world. “But … MATH!” doesn’t really work as an argument here, since human beings don’t actually behave according to simplistic mathematical formulas.
Film critic note: While the first Human Centipede film offered little more than a workmanlike treatment of a fantastical idea, the recently released sequel, which details the attempts of a deranged Human Centipede superfan to take human-centipeding to the next level, is actually sort of brilliant. If you like that sort of thing.
So true! No man has ever used a self-defense plea.
I’m kinda disappointed in DKM’s response to my fighter pilot question. It’s hard to argue with someone who thinks female fighter pilots don’t already exist… but that’s okay, because his blindness also makes him totally unable to stop us. 😀
Actually, DKM, why do we even need your Utopian vision of women are already not fighter pilots in your mind?
What ever happened to the days when women were thought to bring bad luck if they were in the crew of ships? Maybe our great grandparents knew something that we have forgotten!
That’s easy for you to look at though. Are there a higher % of boats sinking now vs then? XD
anyways as far as the fighter pilot commnets, you might find this tidbit interesting if you like Sci-Fi….
In Starship Troopers, the author proposed that women specifically made better pilots than men because they were better able to handle G-Forces….
I think the reason that Meller has these strict divisions of male and femaleness yet doesn’t seem to see any contradiction with himself collecting and playing with dolls is that his dolls form into a giant robot XD
The feminist coverup extends far beyond the Bermuda Triangle on THAT one, Ami 😉
anyways, zhinxy answered my question, so i guess the comment i put up at 11:50 was redundant, i just didn’t see that reply until I posted….
DKM wrote, “What ever happened to the days when women were thought to bring bad luck if they were in the crew of ships? Maybe our great grandparents knew something that we have forgotten!”
I know whenever I get *my* period mirrors break, small fluffy animals die, and I cause bad luck for everyone around me…
@Ami: A giant GEISHA robot! That will serve him perfectly in all things! It’s like a really horrible manga!
stonerwithaboner – Heinlein, yes. He had some very interesting gender… issues.
I believe The Navy also considered all female submarine crews, based, I think mostly on gendered claustrophobia research, but scrapped that.
However – a standing military is not usually where to go when you look at women’s effectiveness in combat –
Where we really shine is in revolutions, guerrilla war, and resistance. Once things get all State and spit and polish and uniform, they care too much about us being weak and ladylike 😉 Another reason to go for the overthrow? 😉
Also, the Night Witches of the Soviet Union in ww2 – Two whole REGIMENTS of women pilots.
“I know whenever I get *my* period mirrors break, small fluffy animals die, and I cause bad luck for everyone around me…”
That wouldn’t happen if you were in this hut with me!!
@stoner on that note:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Women_in_the_Russian_and_Soviet_military
The Soviets found that sniper duties fit women well, since good snipers are patient, careful, deliberate, can avoid hand-to-hand combat, and need higher levels of aerobic conditioning than other troops.
that’s the thing… even if you’re going by gender stereotypes, it would mean women would be good and possibly better at various combat things…
Dammit, zhinxy, I have a novel to write while being a fighter pilot!
World War 2 apparently took place in Opposite World. Although everyone in this thread knows what your problem with the Second World War was, DKM.
If a trained pilot’s response to knowing that there’s a woman in his vicinity is to go “Ooooh gorsh, a GIRL!” and,trembling, forget everything he’s ever learned about aviation, then maybe this is evidence that men are too psychologically unbalanced to be in combat, hth.
If a trained pilot’s response to knowing that there’s a woman in his vicinity is to go “Ooooh gorsh, a GIRL!” and,trembling, forget everything he’s ever learned about aviation, then maybe this is evidence that men are too psychologically unbalanced to be in combat, hth.
Women were a creation of the Decepticons to weaken our armed forces in preparation for Stage 6.
I love how Meller’s usual response to being told that men are okay with, or even actively in favor of, women being allowed into traditionally male roles is “Gosh, that’s so wacky! My stars! Has the world gone topsy-turvy?”, as if that’s saying anything meaningful about anyone but him.
VoiP – Very true. Very.
Though, what I find hard to articulate in these discussions, as someone who believes that women are… “combat ready” – if anyone is, is this. It tends to brush aside that HUMANS are not designed for war, and the needs of state armies. They hop up fighter pilots on prescribed Methamphetamine.
Male, and now female.
We aren’t designed for war as humans, and men aren’t very good at it either. If women are too soft, well, most men, thank any god there is, don’t shoot to kill…
@David K. Meller
You are very selfish, did you know that?
Because only what you want matters. You keep insisting that women must be alluring, playful, cute, fluffy, adorable, charming, and other adjectives that could easily be used to describe a dog. Women should wear frilly dresses and look and act like Stepford wives, and they MUST conform to YOUR standards or else be forced into slavery.
You do not see them as human beings with unique wants, needs, thoughts, and desires. Some women may want to be like that, some women may not, but you don’t care. If they don’t want to conform to your rigid standards, then they are wrong and should be punished for it. After all, in your mind they are no more than animals.
You don’t even care about other men. Not all men want the same type of woman you want. Not all men want a “sweet old-fashioned girl”. Once again, you selfishly ignore what others want because at the end of the day, only what YOU want actually matters.
You lack the mental capacity necessary to understand that people, both male and female, do not fit into quaint little categories no matter how much you try to force them. Regardless of gender, humans encompass a vast spectrum of personalities and tastes. But you don’t care about anyone else, because you’ve made it quite clear that it is YOUR specific tastes and wants that are important and nobody else’s are.
And I realize that you’re probably going to deny this with many exclamation points while completely missing my point. Go for it, but I’m about to go to bed and probably won’t reply for a little while.
Just for DKM, a kitten in a pretty dress
“Thanks firebee – it’s good for me to hear opinions from people different to my usual friends. I have learnt a lot from the people here at manboobz.”
To elaborate a bit — I’ve noted people saying that the reason there should be more women in engineering is because we can bring some sort of supposed “empathy” to technical work and thereby meet the needs of the people we’re serving more effectively.
Which is important, don’t get me wrong, but the problem is that women who are engineers are not some sort of iconic female-critter with a hard hat plunked down on their head. They’re people who decided to pursue an engineering career and who are trained as engineers — alumni from my alma mater have a distinctly recognizable cast of mind, independent of gender — who are also female.
As such, while various aspects of their gender (whatever it is) might cause them to see things in one or another way, often enough their personality or their training are going to be the dominant influence on how they think rather than their gender.
@ Magpie
That video is made of D’AWW!
My kitty won’t wear dresses. She’s committed to streaking.
In NWOSlaves next life:
He we be a 24/7 technician in an artificial womb lab. Without time off to whine on the internet.
How would that work for you buddy? Saving the unborn and all.
Okay, I haven’t read back through the thread yet so forgive me if this has been asked already. David, is the Human Centipede II baby-head-crushing scene as hilariously random on film as it sounds in the wiki article? That sounds like the most gratuitous thing ever.
Though my speculation for the 3rd film is this: they take teensy fetuses and sew them together and put them back into some lady’s uterus and try to grow a “natural” human centipede like that. Then they can have more fun with dead babies and whatnot and it makes the baby death and crying foreshadowing rather than goofy. Yes/no?
Firebee – yes, I see what you mean. (I would like to say more, but i’m hopeless at expressing myself)
Pyena – Itty bitty kitties love to streak – around the house, up the walls, down drainpipes.
Cats don’t like being dressed because if they can feel something all the way around their body it paralyses them (sort of) and they can’t walk. It’s a party trick, tie a tea towel loosely round the cat’s middle and it just sits there.
Just fished this comment from many hours ago out of the moderation queue; wouldn’t want anyone to miss it, so here it is in its entirety. Have at it!
Why would women want “alpha dick” if women didn’t enjoy sex, though? If women are entirely gold-diggers, then why bother sleeping with guys who won’t give them actual cash or houses or whatever at all? It makes no sense! :p