The director of the first Human Centipede film – the one about a psychopathic doctor who sews three unwilling and unwitting captives together mouth-to-anus to make a sort of “centipede” — proudly declared that his film was “100% medically accurate.” That is, he found a doctor who was willing to say that if one were indeed to create such a centipede, the second and third segments (i.e., people) would be able to survive, provided that you supplemented their rather dismal diet with IV drips to give them the nutrition they were lacking.
This dubious claim to 100% accuracy came to mind today as I perused a post by the blogger who calls himself Dalrock, a manospherian nitwit with a penchant for pseudoscientific defenses of old-fashioned misogyny. In a post with the whimsical title “We are trapped on Slut Island and Traditional Conservatives are our Gilligan,” Dalrock argues that the best “solution” to out-of-wedlock births is some good old-fashioned slut shaming.
Here’s how he breaks down the (imaginary) numbers in a post that is “100% mathematically accurate” – which is to say, not accurate at all:
Assume we are starting off with 100 sluts and 30 alphas/players. The sluts are happily riding on the alpha carousel. Now we introduce slut shaming. It isn’t fully effective of course, but it manages to convince 15 of the would be sluts not to be sluts after all. This means an additional 15 women are again potentially suitable for marriage. This directly translates into fewer fatherless children. This also makes the next round of slut shaming easier. Instead of having 99 peers eagerly cheering her on her ride, each slut now has 15 happily married women shaming her and only 84 other sluts encouraging her. After the next round this becomes 30 happily married women shaming the sluts, and only 69 other sluts cheering them on, and so on. This process continues until all but the most die hard sluts are off the carousel. You will never discourage them all, but you can do a world better than we are doing today.
Why not shame the fathers as well, while we’re at it? Dalrock explains that this just doesn’t make good mathematical sense:
Start with the same base assumption of 100 sluts and 30 players. Now apply shame to the players. Unfortunately shame is less effective on players than it is on sluts, so instead of discouraging 15% of them (4.5) in the first round, it only discourages three of them. No problem!, says the Gilligan [the social conservative], at least there are now three fewer sluts now that three of the evil alphas have been shamed away, and all without creating any unhappy sluts! But unfortunately it doesn’t work that way. The remaining 27 players are more than happy to service the extra sluts. They are quite maddeningly actually delighted with the new situation. Even worse, the next round of player shaming is even less effective than the first. This time only 2 players are discouraged, and one of the other 3 realizes that his player peers are picking up the slack anyway and reopens for business. This means in net there are still 26 players, more than enough to handle all of the sluts you can throw at them.
Well, there’s no arguing with that!
Seriously, there’s no arguing with that, because it is an imaginary construct with only the most tenuous connection with how things work in the real world. “But … MATH!” doesn’t really work as an argument here, since human beings don’t actually behave according to simplistic mathematical formulas.
Film critic note: While the first Human Centipede film offered little more than a workmanlike treatment of a fantastical idea, the recently released sequel, which details the attempts of a deranged Human Centipede superfan to take human-centipeding to the next level, is actually sort of brilliant. If you like that sort of thing.
Parasite! It’s just so feminist of a description! Well I guess we can dispense with the silly notion of primary caregiver. Nothing says a mothers undying love like a parasite grows within me.
“Hey mom! What did you think of me when you were pregnant?”
“Why I thought you were a fucking parasite! You’re lucky I didn’t kill you!”
On that high note, clearly demonstrating a modern womans love, tenderness and compassion. I’ll bid you good day.
NWO is trying to find an dictionary both old enough to be untainted, and containing a definition of ‘libertarian’
“It feels like a particularly male idea that there has to be a *moment* when life begins, or becomes human. Women might feel it’s more a process, with no bright line. ”
If I were to father a child, I would probably feel the moment of conception was when I had my orgasm.
You wanna be a “fighter pilot”, Molly Ren? Oh Gosh, I don’t know!! Ask the other fighter pilots! Ask their Commander! Ask the manufacturers of the fighter aircraft if they are safe to be piloted by mere women! Ask the insurance companies who after all, have millions of $$$ on the safety and reliability of this mess! Ask the crews of the real fighter pilots would they feel safe, and would they be able to concentrate on their jobs in combat being piloted by a female?
Go be a goddam fighter pilot, Molly Ren! Things in feministville are so utterly goofy, I don’t know what the hell to do!
All fighter pilots should be women, as well as Submarine crews, Underwater demolition teams, Tank and artillery specialists, and, just for the heck of it, Army Rangers and Navy Seals as far as I am concerned! Your ideas here are completely jackass, but they are no goofier than most of the other ideas you people come up with, which are often even translated by the government into actual law and judicial rulings!
NWO’s absence better be that he’s writing up a long and thought-out response to all of Zhinxy’s points above and not…. that he’s doing his usual dodgy thing xD
OF COURSE HE IS! How can you say that about NWO!
“Parasite! It’s just so feminist of a description! Well I guess we can dispense with the silly notion of primary caregiver. Nothing says a mothers undying love like a parasite grows within me.”
Did NWOslave just call stonerwithaboner a feminist? Isn’t stonerwithaboner MRAL?
“It feels like a particularly male idea that there has to be a *moment* when life begins, or becomes human. Women might feel it’s more a process, with no bright line.”
What with the the whole FAAB-genderqueer-in-male-dominated-profession thing, I’m kind of unconvinced by the general notion of “particularly male ideas” vs. some sort of feeling seen as “female”. Even — and perhaps especially — when the supposed set of notions attached to my physical configuration are positively described.
I’m surprised Meller never brought up the virginity tests they do in Egypt. Check if the hymen is in tact. If not, enjoy your new life of sexual slavery!
Stoner – that’s what I was suspecting. that men feel there is a *moment* because of that. Your baby’s mother would feel different over the next 9 months, it wouldn’t be no-baby one second and baby the next.
I might be lighting a kegbomb here, but for the sake of argument…..
Alright, wouldn’t sex selective abortion such as that practiced in india and China be misogynistic?
Now I’ve seen the argument presented here as a choice of bodily autonomy but would the above present a significant contradiction for Feminists?
Thanks firebee – it’s good for me to hear opinions from people different to my usual friends. I have learnt a lot from the people here at manboobz.
What? Are you just trolling in hopes of getting this vid as a response?
Molly Ren said:
“See, “writer” isn’t on there anywhere! Not even “secretary”! What if I want to be a firefighter or a physicist or trade stocks? Under this definition I can’t even play girl’s soccer! >:(”
Yep, if you don’t want to be a virgin/mother your only other option is prostitution. If you want to be a fighter pilot, nuclear physicist, writer or indeed, follow any other profession you are shit out of luck. Funny how all this boils down to is servicing men. He wants women to have literally no other alternatives.
Meller, let me just share an anecdote with you. ONe of the best things that happened to me in my stint in the military was during a ship’s tour. An old, grizzled Korean vet – A former tank commander with shrapnel in his knee – Said to me: “Miss, can I just say… It’s SO NICE to see you girls finally on the ships. It REALLY IS. I always hated that seperate service BS.”
“Thankyou, Sir”
“No. Thank YOU.”
And that’s all I have to say about that.
So now misogynists don’t get bodily autonomy, is that what you are arguing for? It is sort of like free speech, you don’t deny a basic right just because you don’t like how someone else uses it/think that person is an asshole.
Stoner, go back to the basic idea ‘women and men are equally valuable’. there’s no contradiction.
Mellertoad, is it your time of the month? You’re getting so hysterical and worked up! You should go make some tea, get your tatting, and go talk to your dolls until you calm down, poor dear.
“Alright, wouldn’t sex selective abortion such as that practiced in india and China be misogynistic?
“Now I’ve seen the argument presented here as a choice of bodily autonomy but would the above present a significant contradiction for Feminists?”
I thought that *was* misogynistic? I mean, you’re selecting because you don’t want a *female* child, not because you’re unable to care for a child or don’t want one at all?
“”Alright, wouldn’t sex selective abortion such as that practiced in india and China be misogynistic?
Now I’ve seen the argument presented here as a choice of bodily autonomy but would the above present a significant contradiction for Feminists?””
Of course it’s misogynistic. So you fight misogyny. (Also, you look into women being coerced into those abortions – Because that’s very wrong. )
Also, the alternative is likely to be infanticide and/or abandonment of born infants. I’m sure you can see through your life-begins-at-conception blinders to note that that WOULD be a far worse thing. Fight misogyny. Fight the devaluing of women. And you can’t do that without valuing bodily autonomy, whatever your position on the morality of abortion.
http://tfwiki.net/wiki/Female_Starscream
this must make Meller v upset xD
While the Transformers fandom has long mused upon the possibility of female “Seekers” (and produced countless self-insertion characters that are variants on the theme),
Meller, you need to yell at these fans and set them straight. Apparently there’s a lot of ppl who think there shouldn’t just be female jet pilots but female JETS xD
So… NWO DID do his dodgy thing and he just ran away xD So much for that. Who wants to bet that next time he shows up he’s going to ignore me and Zhinxy again XD
Your suggestion is not acceptable to most women, Meller. Try again.
And Meller, beyond that – I’m sure you agree that NO-ONE should be in the military. That there should be no state, and no wars, period. So why mutter about how women are ruining an institution that you think should not exist?
(Yes I had and have a lot of conflicting feelings regarding my military service, to state the obvious)
So am I jumping to a conclusion or would the Feminist Critic on Sex Selective Abortion be that it is fundamentally a problem of the sexism in the culture and not a problem with the procedure?
I’ve seen ppl try to use the “what if people select for aborting zygotes with a chance to be queer, or trans or etc…” tactic to sway queer pro-choicers to be anti-choice… but it doesn’t work cuz even IF people are doing that… well then that would be about educating people that there’s nothing wrong with queer or trans ppl, but ultimately the decision is still up to the individual who is pregnant.
And the issue in China also has a lot to do with the one child policy…
but again, as DSC says, it’s still their right… their body and their choice..
He is entitled to his opinion, and Heaven knows, he isn’t the only one nowadays, but it still sounds odd to me! VERY odd, indeed!
What ever happened to the days when women were thought to bring bad luck if they were in the crew of ships? Maybe our great grandparents knew something that we have forgotten!