The director of the first Human Centipede film – the one about a psychopathic doctor who sews three unwilling and unwitting captives together mouth-to-anus to make a sort of “centipede” — proudly declared that his film was “100% medically accurate.” That is, he found a doctor who was willing to say that if one were indeed to create such a centipede, the second and third segments (i.e., people) would be able to survive, provided that you supplemented their rather dismal diet with IV drips to give them the nutrition they were lacking.
This dubious claim to 100% accuracy came to mind today as I perused a post by the blogger who calls himself Dalrock, a manospherian nitwit with a penchant for pseudoscientific defenses of old-fashioned misogyny. In a post with the whimsical title “We are trapped on Slut Island and Traditional Conservatives are our Gilligan,” Dalrock argues that the best “solution” to out-of-wedlock births is some good old-fashioned slut shaming.
Here’s how he breaks down the (imaginary) numbers in a post that is “100% mathematically accurate” – which is to say, not accurate at all:
Assume we are starting off with 100 sluts and 30 alphas/players. The sluts are happily riding on the alpha carousel. Now we introduce slut shaming. It isn’t fully effective of course, but it manages to convince 15 of the would be sluts not to be sluts after all. This means an additional 15 women are again potentially suitable for marriage. This directly translates into fewer fatherless children. This also makes the next round of slut shaming easier. Instead of having 99 peers eagerly cheering her on her ride, each slut now has 15 happily married women shaming her and only 84 other sluts encouraging her. After the next round this becomes 30 happily married women shaming the sluts, and only 69 other sluts cheering them on, and so on. This process continues until all but the most die hard sluts are off the carousel. You will never discourage them all, but you can do a world better than we are doing today.
Why not shame the fathers as well, while we’re at it? Dalrock explains that this just doesn’t make good mathematical sense:
Start with the same base assumption of 100 sluts and 30 players. Now apply shame to the players. Unfortunately shame is less effective on players than it is on sluts, so instead of discouraging 15% of them (4.5) in the first round, it only discourages three of them. No problem!, says the Gilligan [the social conservative], at least there are now three fewer sluts now that three of the evil alphas have been shamed away, and all without creating any unhappy sluts! But unfortunately it doesn’t work that way. The remaining 27 players are more than happy to service the extra sluts. They are quite maddeningly actually delighted with the new situation. Even worse, the next round of player shaming is even less effective than the first. This time only 2 players are discouraged, and one of the other 3 realizes that his player peers are picking up the slack anyway and reopens for business. This means in net there are still 26 players, more than enough to handle all of the sluts you can throw at them.
Well, there’s no arguing with that!
Seriously, there’s no arguing with that, because it is an imaginary construct with only the most tenuous connection with how things work in the real world. “But … MATH!” doesn’t really work as an argument here, since human beings don’t actually behave according to simplistic mathematical formulas.
Film critic note: While the first Human Centipede film offered little more than a workmanlike treatment of a fantastical idea, the recently released sequel, which details the attempts of a deranged Human Centipede superfan to take human-centipeding to the next level, is actually sort of brilliant. If you like that sort of thing.
I have many questions for which there are no answers.
-Are there 70 Nice Guys in this simulation too?
-What if a woman shamed out of sluttiness turns to celibacy instead of marriage? What if she marries but forgets to shame other women?
-Do you really want to marry a woman whose motivation was “I have to get married to escape this shame?”
-Who exactly is performing this slut-shaming? It’s not the other sluts and it’s not the Alpha Players. Is it the Nice Guys? They’re outnumbered 130-70 so you wouldn’t think they’d be influential enough.
-Why is slut-shaming more effective on women than players? Is this just one of those “all wugs are not zugs” things you have to accept as a given?
-All the women start out as sluts? Seriously? Have you ever met women?
-Isn’t a woman who’s shamed out of sluthood going to be all clingy and make unreasonable demands like “show me affection” and “contribute to the housework” and “financially support your children?”
-If there were 100 sluts and 100 players on the island, wouldn’t that be way more awesomer?
From Wiki:
Interesting assertion, however I notice that in the movie, it’s the female characters who end up with shit in their mouths.
Slut isn’t even an insult to them now. It’s an honest-to-goodness technical term.
@blitzgal True! Having just read the summary of the sequel, though (and WHY DID I DO THAT TO MYSELF ::curls into tiny ball and cries::) a woman is at the front of that one.
In my math, 100% of the women compare notes, and then quickly start building a raft to get the hell off of that island.
After reading the film synopsis for the next Human Centipede, I decided to pass on it. I barely watched the first one through without tossing my cookies, so my stomach can’t tolerate any more centipede movies. I don’t know if it’s true, but I’ve even read rumors there will be a third one called “Final Sequence”. I don’t even want to know how they intend to top the first two on grossness.
As for Slut Island, where do gays and lesbians fit in? Their existence was erased completely. Maybe he can make a second draft of his scenario where their job is to shame all the slutty sluts and their sluttiness. I noticed in high school sex ed, an abstinence only class, that the existence of gays and lesbians was also erased.
Another thing that gets me is that he acts like slut shaming doesn’t happen in today’s society, but it still does. The difference is more women are calling out the double standard and reclaiming the word slut. For some reason, he thinks it’s his business. How does it hurt him what other consenting adults do in their private life?
Wait, I thought none of these guys want marriage, because then they’ll lose all their bitcoins or something.
“What if a woman shamed out of sluttiness turns to celibacy instead of marriage? What if she marries but forgets to shame other women?”
What if she’s bisexual, and decides that it’s easier to just hook up with women?
Oops.
Ah, Cassandra, the bisexual is just trying to turn on the Alpha Players, or turning to women out of scorn of the betas!
hellkell – Even a share of puas are basically social conservatives warning that “Our Society” will collapse and tumble to the ground if we don’t become more traditional – sometimes mocking feminists and “thanking them for making all the sluts” they sleep with, and telling girls to be traditional so they don’t end up like… all the girls they sleep with. All societies that aren’t based on monogamy become based on alphas and harems or crumble under welfare or both, or neither, or something.
I tried to graph this, and ended up with negative sluts by the fourth generation.
Zhinxy: they make my head hurt. Besides, how would they know who’s a slut? Do they honestly think any woman they came into contact would give them an accurate figure of how many people they’ve slept with? I’m sure the dudes’ sense of disapproval and scorn would shine through, thus skewing the results.
This process continues until all but the most die hard sluts are off the carousel. You will never discourage them all, but you can do a world better than we are doing today.
But…what for? I honestly don’t understand why he cares so much about what consenting adults do with each other. How is shaming them and making them feel bad about themselves making the world better?
It seems Dalrock is getting his “facts” from the same place that the middle and last person in the Human Centipede line get their, uh, “nourishment” from.
You can feed someone entirely through IV (although you need a central line and it’s expensive and fussy), so saying “they get all their nutrition so long as they have IV supplementation” doesn’t really mean anything.
Except that eating poo will generally give you the kind of infection that makes you both vomit and get diarrhea, and if you think about how that would go down for the middle person… urk. Oh God.
I think that realistically everyone involved would just die very fast anyway.
I need to think about math again now.
I actually have a review DVD of The Human Centipede II sitting not ten feet away. But no-one’s asked me to review it, and I haven’t felt the urge to give it a spin – largely because I thought the first one was a classic example of a film that set up a vaguely intriguing premise and then spend the final two-thirds failing to come up with a convincing answer to the fairly important question “OK, now what?”
Just don’t try to divide slut by zero. That is mathematically impossible. Dalrock also forgot the transitive property of sluttitude. If alpha = slut, and alpha = cock carousel, then slut = cock carousel. This is basic Slutometry 101.
I tried to graph this, and ended up with negative sluts by the fourth generation.
So, would they be like, anti sluts? Or bizarro sluts? Maybe when players would reach negative numbers, they’d become Nice Guys?
Mr. Dalrock must be a proctologist, given the ease with which he was able to pull all of those statistics out of his own ass.
“Assume we are starting off with 100 sluts and 30 alphas/players. The sluts are happily riding on the alpha carousel. Now we introduce slut shaming. It isn’t fully effective of course, but it manages to convince 15 of the would be sluts not to be sluts after all. This means an additional 15 women are again potentially suitable for marriage. This directly translates into fewer fatherless children. This also makes the next round of slut shaming easier. Instead of having 99 peers eagerly cheering her on her ride, each slut now has 15 happily married women shaming her and only 84 other sluts encouraging her. After the next round this becomes 30 happily married women shaming the sluts, and only 69 other sluts cheering them on, and so on. This process continues until all but the most die hard sluts are off the carousel. You will never discourage them all, but you can do a world better than we are doing today.”
I think in Human Centipede 3, they should stitch Tom Six to a better writer/director.
Is it sluts or alphas who are wronging this person?
Does the preceding sentence even mean anything?
Actually, as I was reading this, I was thinking “doesn’t he want women to like sex?” But of course he doesn’t, because then they might seek it with men who aren’t him. And
sex is zero-sumthere’s only so much sex to go around.Dalrock is a rare exception; he claims to be happily married to a “sexy” wife. (I like that he feels he has to say she’s “sexy” lest any manosphere dudes think he’s gotten hitched to some uggo.) He even has a few of what manosphere dudes like to call “womb turds.”
Wetherby, yeah, the first film did suffer a bit from the “what now?” question, though I suppose that’s one of the many things that’s inherently wrong with the whole mouth-to-anus fantasy in the first place. Dr. Heiter *does* try to train his new centipede to play fetch, FWIW.
The second one, as i said, is a much better movie, and the “what now?” question is dealt with in a much smarter way. (Well, director Tom Six deals with it better; the main character doesn’t.)
Again, not a film for everyone.
@Holly Pervocracy
“I have many questions for which there are no answers.”
I’ll field your questions Holly dearest!
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“-Are there 70 Nice Guys in this simulation too?”
Yes there are! You call them losers, misogynists and whatever other shaming language pops into your head in a vain, narcissistic attempt to prove your superiority and their inferior social mentality.
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“-What if a woman shamed out of sluttiness turns to celibacy instead of marriage? What if she marries but forgets to shame other women?”
Not likely, unindoctrinated women don’t hate men and would seek out their companionship. It’s kinda hard not to shame acting shamefully.
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“-Do you really want to marry a woman whose motivation was “I have to get married to escape this shame?”
They don’t get married for that reason, who would? They make a moral choice to not be sluts.
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“-Who exactly is performing this slut-shaming? It’s not the other sluts and it’s not the Alpha Players. Is it the Nice Guys? They’re outnumbered 130-70 so you wouldn’t think they’d be influential enough.”
The 30 Players don’t care about you, you’re simply meat to them. They’ll toss you aside either way. Big Daddy is your only ally, and as feminism has sucked away all the wealth of the loser misogynists, his power is waning.
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“-Why is slut-shaming more effective on women than players? Is this just one of those “all wugs are not zugs” things you have to accept as a given?”
Biology of course, men and women are different.
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“-All the women start out as sluts? Seriously? Have you ever met women?”
They don’t start out as sluts, they’re simply conditioned to be sluts. Your blog as well as the rest of the gang, slutwalkers, the MSM, Big Daddy, they all love them sluts. Big Daddy gets lotsa power.
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“-Isn’t a woman who’s shamed out of sluthood going to be all clingy and make unreasonable demands like “show me affection” and “contribute to the housework” and “financially support your children?”
No, she would a strong, independent thinker who rejects the massive propaganda shoved down societies collective throat. The manboobz gang is really a hotbed of independent thought.
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“-If there were 100 sluts and 100 players on the island, wouldn’t that be way more awesomer?”
This message brought to you by the promoters of AIDS, all STDs, abortion, sluthood, divorce and general societal collapse. Loyalty is just sooo misogynist, isn’t it? Yuk! Loyalty just treads all over a womans sexual agency!
For a guy who’s obsessed with fucking adolescents NWO is awfully prudish.
I’m loling at “loyalty”–who exactly am I failing to be loyal to if I’m single and sleep with lots of people? Some imaginary future wife, I guess?
(Actually, I suppose as a lesbian I don’t count as slutty no matter what I do–I’m that OTHER kind of person who’s bringing down society.)