Does the National Coalition For Men think violence against elected officials is a joke?

Oh hey you’re there! 😀

Wait… what is your issue with Zhinxy? XD

Nice excuse in avoiding talking w/ her xD Want me to quote some of her other comments at you if you’re going to read me and ignore her? 😀

Even MELLER actually can debate Libertarnism with Zhinxy, and YOU, the expert, are running? XD

Any conversation with you would be futile at best. All your comments run along these lines.

I bet you I can prove quite easily that isn’t true xD

“All”? XD

Do you stand by your statement? 😀 A simple yes or no will suffice :3

HAY NWO 😀

zhinxy | November 15, 2011 at 7:29 pm

“zhinxy, and I ask you this sincerely as our local intelligent libertarian, how do libertarians intend to prevent corporations from doing whatever they want? How do you stop, say, companies paying their employees in scrip to an overpriced company store while forcing them to live in company-owned housing, preventing them from leaving because they have no real money and no assets?”

“and I also am curious to know how libertarianism will stop corporations from doing whatever they want – ”

The short answer is that we’ll attack the systems of privilege that keep corporations afloat, and create such a power imbalance between bosses and “workers” –

As an anarchist and Wobbly-to-be, I’m a proponent of radical labor organization, wildcat unionism, and far left anti-corporate action. Yet, I think there’s a crucial mistake made in seeing goverment regulation and state action as the foe of the corporation or friend of labor –

The typical inclination of many statists and some libertarians is to reach for the excesses of the industrial revolution and robber baron era as an example of libertarianism in action. The leftist to use it as an example of the horrors that occur in an unregulated market, the libertarians to gloss over those same horrors and speak of rags to riches or whatever the hell they’re on about.

Yet I believe that it is fundamentally wrong to use as an example of any kind of free market in action, and the huge concentrations of wealth and power that occured could not have happened without a state-guaranteed system of privelege.

See:

http://radgeek.com/gt/2011/08/14/in-which-market-anarchists-are-sent-out-to-catch-the-wild-22/

-Charles Johnson comments on this tendency and it’s ability to make libertarian/non-libertarian discussions go round and round in circles

http://www.thefreemanonline.org/columns/tgif/no-laissez-faire-there/

-Sheldon Richman on the tendency to see the Gilded Age as free market.

Yet out of this self-same supposedly libertarian gilded age system emerged a radically free-market and pro-labor ideology. The libertarianism of Tucker and Spooner, of Voltarine DeCleyre and Thomas Hodgkin, closely allied with and even embracing the label of socialist, and certainly not approving of the exploitation around them.

Without the state feeding the power of the “company store,” and with strong labor organizations and an economy of less artificial scarcity and with more options for workers, how could the system that the free market anarchists of the gilded age were protesting occur?

If we see the rise of the hungry, all powerful boss and the laying low of the workers as the normal outcome of a “free market,” then of course we must ask ourselves what legislation will contain it.

But as I very much do not believe that, I ask which statism and other privelege is propping it up, and how we can remove it, and how we can strengthen ourselves and diversify our economy and options so as not to be marks for exploitation, by business, priveleged class, or state.

Dang. This is all I can get out in the time I have. I recommend the Center for a Stateless Societies’ materials for poking around in when it comes to finding out what us lefty libertarians/ market anarchists think about stuff and how to fix it. Will bb.

http://c4ss.org/

For the labor side of things, please see especially Kevin Carson’s Labor Struggle: A Free Market Model.

http://c4ss.org/content/4163

Thoughts? 😀

They shame, blame, and guilt trip everyone into believing the most absurd things, like the swill upchucked by the questionably conscious men in the original surrealistic mangina-monologue “Dear Woman”.

I don’t remember there being a massive groundswell of support for that video among feminists. More like a collective sighing and shaking of heads.

zhinxy | November 15, 2011 at 3:00 pm

Even libertarian women (and not a few men) who were initially sympathetic to MRA (At one point, that was very true of a more-conservative previous incarnation of zhinxy, btw) have moved on as it became the hateful mess we see today.

http://www.wendymcelroy.com/news.php?item.1381

Moving Out of Striking Range.

The libertarianism you see in the MRA these days is usually the same libertarianism you see in the fringes of the conspiracy and white seperatist movements – A sort of hodgepodge that fits the general tone of “don’t trust the gov” “They’re trying to destroy the constitution” “Black helicopters” “Sacred duty of men” “Women are being turned against us by the cia” – A hodgepodge of anarchism one moment, constitutionalism the next, down with the schools one minute, educate women only to level x next, feminists can have their own society, women must be constrained…

Meller – How on earth, if women truly need to be contained, and restrained, are you going to restrict more than half of the population without a state?

C’MONNNNN NWO XD

What are YOUR thoughts oh lord of Libertarianism? 😀

Let’s see that big strong male brain of yours at work! xD

@Pecunium oh okay xD So NWO is too busy fighting Milkatrons to actually THINK about Libertarianism? xD He just signed up cuz they gave out cool decoder rings or something XD

HEEEY YOU’RE STILL HERE! 😀

Well? 😀

Oh and hey NWO, since apparently you don’t read (since you say “ALL YOUR COMMEEENTNTTTS ARE LIKE THISSS” xD )

zhinxy | November 6, 2011 at 7:53 am

YEY! You finally acknowledged my existence! Okay… Prove to me that Big Daddy is making these decisions based on feminist lobbying, and tell me how they are providing advice. Also, tell me about the proper role of Big Daddy in our lives. Also answer me about Big Daddy teaching history.

And if you do all that, then I promise I won’t laugh even harder at the fact that you’re ducking people laughing at you for acting like rad hub is some secret lair of true feminism.

Also, is anybody else really creeped out by “grandparent’s rights” being established in law? I feel genuinely, truly sad for grandparents who feel deprived, or are genuinely victims here, but an adult has the right to sever contact with their parents, and rights to children are based on them being minors in need of care.

The idea that one’s right to live a life seperate from a parent as an adult ends once one has a child is a highly disturbing thing to set forth in law

A reminder of last time Zhinxy tried to engage you and you ran off screaming XD

Big Daddy commands immense power and directs violence only towards men. Even though 50 to 70% of your grades in primary schooling comes from behavior and conformity, this indocrination into obedience doesn’t work well on boys/men.

Even if we assume your “statistic” about schooling is true, encouraging a certain behaviour or conformity does not equal violence.

I’ve got my qualms about the school system too, they can get more creative with learning techniques and we really need to teach highschool kids basic life lessons like learning about credit cards, budgeting, filing taxes etc….but equating it to violence is just silly. You’re silly NWO.

SHHHHH Quackers… we’re waiting for the almighty Libertarian to respond 😀

oops…sorry Ami XP

Yea, what are your Libertarian views NWO? Zhinxy posted a lot of interesting stuff.

Hey NWOslave, still waiting 😀

Funny who you decided to avoid and who you picked to fight right? 😀

Hey NWO, do you think the MRAs should all be presuming guilt of Sandusky? Or be okay with the firing of Paterno given that it’s like that whole “preponderance of evidence” thing you don’t like? xD