Oh, ladies, must you complain so much? I mean, who cares if every time you say something on the internet some random dude threatens to rape you? White and Nerdy, the dude behind the Omega Virgin Revolt blog, doesn’t care, and he wants you to know it:
#mencallmethings is just another example of how women (in first world countries) don’t have any actual problems. Between the government and manginas doing everything for women, no woman has any true problems. Any “problem” a woman has is because of one of these reasons:
1. A desire for the equivalent of fried ice. IOW she wants something that is physically impossible.
2. Failed attempts at defrauding, stealing from, or otherwise attempting to enslave men.
That’s it. When a woman has to go through 1% of what a typical non-alpha man has to go through then maybe she can talk about having actual problems. Until that happens women should keep their mouths shut.
Exactly. We need to stop talking about men raping women to focus on the much more important issue of women not having sex with White and Nerdy.
But I am wondering about one thing. Is it possible that the women in question were asking for fried rice instead of fried ice? Because fried rice is totally a thing, and if you call up the proper restaurant someone will literally bring it to your door.
Now I’m hungry.
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Citation fucking needed.
1. Some people clearly do not understand the meaning of the term “fraud”. Fraud has a specific legal meaning, and it is not how it is being used on this thread.
2. “Since women are the ones claiming a man is the father or writing his name on the birth certificate.” The latter part of this is patently false as a matter of law. Unless the punitive father is the spouse of the mother, in general, she is legally barred from putting his name on the birth certificate without his consent (written consent, he has to sign off). In addition, women are not omniscient (shocker, that), and, even if she misidentifies the biological father, it may be a genuine mistake-she believes this person is the biological father, but it turns out that one of her other sex partners is the actual bio father. In addition, there are plenty of cases where men sue to prove paternity. Somehow, MRAs can’t seem to get that some men actually want the kids, or that some men *gasp* ask for paternity tests and the tests come back positive.
3. Even at a hundred dollars a pop, mandatory testing of every infant would cost millions of dollars. As usual, MRAs suck at basic understanding of public policy or statitistics. The cost of the filing fee and court staffing fees that occur in a small minority of cases would be far outweighed by the costs of instituting this widespread medical process for all births, as noted above.
He built his own crib, highchair, sewed his own diapers, grew his own veggies then mashed them up for food….and since women are useless I take it he drank formula instead of breast milk. A completely self made man right from the start!
@Brandon: I would suggest mandatory paternity tests when children are born. Or at least have it be opt-out as opposed to opt-in. The tests are relatively cheap and could free up tons of time in the court system since they wouldn’t be wasting countless hours fighting the “who is the father” issue.
Then start working on it. Organize or join organized groups. Petition. Etc.
Don’t expect women and/or feminists to do it for you.
That’s not how change occurs.
If you think it’s important, do something more than yammer at us on this blog. Otherwise, STFU.
@Rest of group:: thanks for pointing out that the “crisis” of paternity fraud is yet another MRA fabrication — having eschewed childbirth all my life, in all ways, I had no idea what was even involved (and don’t really give a darn). But I think my point still holds: Brandon, if there is a crisis for teh poor menz, the menz are the ones who need to do something to address it.
Nobody is obligated to do it FOR YOU.
“Nobody is obligated to do it FOR YOU.”
But ithiliana, Brandon is obviously the oppressed one here! We owe him reparations for this not-actually-factual epidemic!
Fact: cheating on your spouse is wrong, regardless of gender. So is lying about the paternity of your child. Does Brandon think anyone here doesn’t feel that way?
I am pretty disgusted at the suggestion that cheating and lying about paternity is the equivalent of rape in terms of harm to the victim, even if they do occur at the same rate (unlikely, but I don’t know anything about the rate of paternity fraud).
Ugh, both the link that No More Mr. Nice Guy posted and OVR are just disgusting. I have dated a lot of virgins and none of them have been this horrible about women. Not even the guy who had no friends, no job, no interests, no ability to hold a decent conversation, and voted for Sharon Angle.
“3. Even at a hundred dollars a pop, mandatory testing of every infant would cost millions of dollars. As usual, MRAs suck at basic understanding of public policy or statitistics. The cost of the filing fee and court staffing fees that occur in a small minority of cases would be far outweighed by the costs of instituting this widespread medical process for all births, as noted above.”
See also, feminists and their love for big daddy government, whereas a million upon million dollar “Who’s Your Daddy?” law encompassing every birth is just plain SENSIBLE.
@Nobinayamu: For one, you are forgetting about economies of scale. If every child was given a paternity test at birth, the price of those tests would go down since there would be a massive need for them. Just like everything else, the more people buy a product, the cheaper it gets in the future.
Also, doctors and nurses are already drawing blood and testing children for other ailments and diseases. Most of the preliminary work is already done.
@Darksidecat: Yes..,men actually had the gall to trust their alleged child’s mother. You are only making the case that men shouldn’t trust their partners and should go after harder evidence that proves paternity besides blindingly accepting her saying “you are the father”.
Millions of dollars? You do realize the government spends BILLIONS every day. The government goes through half a billion dollars by lunchtime. So I would be more than willing to cut military spending by .005% to pay for paternity tests. So we lose a few missiles, but men can rest assured that their children are actually theirs.
@ithiliana: I don’t expect women or feminists to do it. In fact, I don’t expect feminists to do anything for the betterment of men.
I also said nothing of it being a “crisis”. But even if we lowball it and say 1-2% of men are defrauded, that is still thousands of men.
Millions of dollars? You do realize the government spends BILLIONS every day. The government goes through half a billion dollars by lunchtime. So I would be more than willing to cut military spending by .005% to pay for paternity tests. So we lose a few missiles, but men can rest assured that their children are actually theirs.
And I’m a libertarian for cutting spending, especially on missles, but not to free up mandatory paternity tests. If you want to think about funding a charity that provides them for men who want but can’t afford them, I’m all ears, and I might even think about pitching in if it wouldn’t get taken over by nutty mras, but EVERY kid? Mandated by LAW? Why is this the government’s business?
“Millions of dollars? You do realize the government spends BILLIONS every day. The government goes through half a billion dollars by lunchtime. So I would be more than willing to cut military spending by .005% to pay for paternity tests. So we lose a few missiles, but men can rest assured that their children are actually theirs.”
And I’m a libertarian for cutting spending, especially on missles, but not to free up mandatory paternity tests. If you want to think about funding a charity that provides them for men who want but can’t afford them, I’m all ears, and I might even think about pitching in if it wouldn’t get taken over by nutty mras, but EVERY kid? Mandated by LAW? Why is this the government’s business?
@Zhinxy: Because the government orders men that aren’t the fathers to pay child support based on faulty information. And even when that information is corrected, they still force men to pay for children that aren’t theirs. And after fighting years and spending tons of money to fix it, the courts still order men to pay, even when they know he isn’t the father.
Because apparently men cannot bond with babies that are not theirs. And that is a fate worse then death.
@PosterformerlyknownasElizabeth:
I agree with you. I’ve been reading shyness forums since 2007 (I have AvPD) and many guys there are virgins (some are in their 30s) and most of them are decent – it’s just they are afraid of approaching women. But in all these forums there are always jealous and fucked-up virgins that make shit and try to sabotage everything because they don’t anyone to have success with women. It’s by reading shyness forums that I learned about MRAs, these guys were coming there and were trying to take control of the place and wanted to recruit guys in the MGTOW.
@Elizabeth: Well if that is the case…than any man will do. So you can just randomly select a guy out of the phone book and say he is the father.
Brandon – and that’s a bad thing, and we need better than MRA’s dealing with it.
BTW, do you know, for example, that the prime use of donor sperm is in marriages where the man is infertile? Couples seek out doctors so that they may have children that are only “biologically” the mothers. Is this some form of cuckoldry? Do we need some Government Paternity Poke to take care of this? Would it even make sense?
What about men who find out the child isn’t theirs but still want a relationship? Should the mother be able to wave “not yours” in their face, and the father not be able to see a child he’s bonded with? What about men who know their partner had more than one sex partner, but would really rather not know who is “really” the dad?
These issues are way f’n more complicated than WE MUST PASS THE ANTI LYING BITCHES BABY-BLOOD-TAKING LAW!
Again, I’m fine with a charity that will help men pay for paternity tests. Great idea.
So what, Brandon? It’ll never happen to you, right? You’re way too smart and careful.
I was wondering how he was going to dig his heels on this–apparently with a faulty economics lecture.
And if courts aren’t even taking these paternity tests seriously as a reason to stop payment, shouldn’t that matter be fixed first, by definition?
Yeah, since when is a court going to force a man to pay child support for a child proven not to be his… and how would proving the child isn’t his help that? 😀
@Zhinxy: And that is why I said people can be able to opt out of said procedure.
If you really bonded with the child…and you know you aren’t the father, you adopt the child. This clearly makes you legally and financially responsible for said child. Then there isn’t any “he said/she said” about it.
@HellKell: Actually, I plan on getting a vasectomy soon. I made the decision years ago that I have no desire to be a father. Otherwise, I try to take reasonable precautions to risky behavior.
Didn’t I try that on you upthread a bit? So far it’s not working… I haven’t gotten a dime!
If you really bonded with the child…and you know you aren’t the father, you adopt the child. This clearly makes you legally and financially responsible for said child. Then there isn’t any “he said/she said” about it.
What if the biological father or mother contests that? Do you get any visitation rights? What if she and the bio father suddenly want to move to France? Again, complicated.
What about “opt in?.” Like I said, what about MRA’s or whoever banding together to help people pay for paternity tests if the issue arises. doesn’t that make way more f’n sense?
@Bagelsan: I would rather go to jail, than pay you a dime if you claimed me as the father. So the court can bitch all they want, you wouldn’t get shit from me.
If every child was given a paternity test at birth, the price of those tests would go down since there would be a massive need for them. Just like everything else, the more people buy a product, the cheaper it gets in the future.
This is not how economics works. This is not even how most capitalists claim economics works. See “supply and demand” or “artificial scarcity”.
Also, again, you are presuming a need. However, this remains an option to everyone already, and few appear to desire to take it. Not every paranoid little fantasy of yours creates a universal need, Brandon.
You have no basic understanding of how blood tests and blood work are done in reality, do you?
I have no idea what you think you are responding to with that.
Ditto on that bit. Also, if you can’t trust your partner not to lie to you about these things to the degree where you want to paranoidly force unwanted medical testing on everyone else, may I suggest that not having babies with this person would be a far better plan.
This is factually incorrect. Do the math, http://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2010/02/01/us/budget.html The entire federal budget is about 10.1 million per day. In addition, your plan is almost all waste, as it is a service that most people do not want or feel that they need.
Setting aside the bad math for a second, most men do not want these procedures, or they would elect to opt into them as things stand now. Stop projecting your odd little paranoias onto all other men
Please, look up fraud. That word doesn’t mean what you think it means. Also, by this statistic you have just admitted to wanting to call 98% of women liars and force parents to have unwanted medical testing on their infants, as well as justifying massive expenses paid for by taxes that those 98% will have to contribute to as well to pay for tests they neither need nor want.