So the question I have it this: Does Reddit have some sort of powerful magnetic attraction to the pedophiles and pedophile defenders of the world, or is pedophilia and/or pedophile defense simply endemic amongst the young male tech geek demographic that’s so heavily overrepresented on Reddit?
This is a question that naturally sprung to my mind after reading a couple of recent posts in ShitRedditSays, documenting Reddit’s strange sympathy with the child porn enthusiasts of the world. A woman stands up on Reddit and declares herself a feminist? She’s a “bad person,” a “female supremacist,” an “utter piece of shit.” A man is jailed for possession of child porn? He’s being unjustly persecuted for a “victimless crime.”
Fxexular on ShitRedditSays has assembled a roundup of some the most disturbing comments in a thread devoted to the aforementioned man jailed for possession of CP. Amongst his finds:
Heavily upvoted comments comparing viewing of child porn to smoking weed and playing Grand Theft Auto.
A comment with 15 upvotes suggesting that the perp should only get “a stiff fine and a few weeks of community service … for a crime the judge himself probably committed half a dozen times on any given weekend.”
A comment with nearly two dozen upvotes lamenting that the child porn possessor is going to have his “life ruined over socially non-normative pictures. … this is a predictable outcome of a corrupt government which is obsessed with its own power.”
But these are just the tip of the pedo-defense iceberg. Take a look at the thread itself, where you will also find heavily upvoted comments from Redditors comparing the “persecution” of pedophiles to past persecution of gays and witches; an unintentionally ironic comment lamenting the cruel treatment of a perp who is “only 26” years old; and a comment making perhaps the strangest argument I think I may have ever seen anywhere about anything:
My core problem here, as a computer scientist, is that any photo he had is really a bunch of zeros and ones… which for anyone who is at all familiar with binary, is a number. Basically, by outlawing the storage of some form of data, we have said that it is illegal be in possession of certain numbers. Yes, these might be huge numbers that you don’t encounter in your daily life, but they are still simply numbers.
In a different thread on the same case, another Redditor gets 75 upvotes for comparing child-porn-possessing pedophiles with African-Americans in the era of the Civil Rights movement. Here’s the comment itself; here’s the ShitRedditSays thread discussing it. And here, for good measure, is the same commenter offering a Redditor who’s confessed to molesting his sister advice on how best to avoid prosecution.
Meanwhile, in an unrelated thread in Reddit’s Videos subreddit, pedophile (sorry, ephebophile) Redditors mount an all-out attack on a girl who had the temerity to complain about skeevy Redditors masturbating to pictures of herself she put in a private album on the internet when she was 14.
In ShitRedditSays, jamie11 collects together some of the creepiest comments, including these:
“Fuck yea she is developed AND judging by her smug smile, she is loving every second of this. Sure she says “OMG, so creepy herp derp” but in reality it is kind of a big EGO boost. EDIT: in b4 misogyny accusations!” [+7]
“She is an attention whore. She is really dumb. She will probably ultimately profit from this in the model/porn/coors girl industry.”[+10]
“Shes much hotter when shes quiet.” [+32]
The numbers in brackets indicate the numbers of upvotes.
Again, tip of the iceberg.
EDITED TO ADD: I hadn’t noticed before, but r/mensrights has its own discussion of the child porn case. It’s pretty much what you’d expect: Possessing child porn is just a “thought crime” that doesn’t hurt anyone.
The creepiest fellow of the lot is probably logrusmage, who offers this defense of the child porn possessors of the world:
consider that a majority of “kiddy porn” are pictures of sexually mature females taken by said females for boyfriends that got leaked on the internet or via text, where the female happens to be under the age of consent.
When someone points out that, um, the fact that these pictures are “leaked” means that the subjects of said pictures didn’t consent to them being put online (and, also, they are below the age of consent), logrusmage offers this rebuttal:
Consent is not needed for something that does not directly effect someone. Like looking at them. … Looking at a picture of someone does not require their consent.
Presumably he’d be fine if someone secretly filmed him picking his nose while taking a crap and put it up on r/creepydudespickingnosesonthecrapper.
Just one note:
FWIW, NWO didn’t specifically post pics of pre-pubescent girls; he linked to a google image search of “girls on the beach” and the search results included girls as well as women.
Of course he does seem to think that young girls wearing bathing suits are flaunting their sexuality, and that this is somehow the fault of feminism.
Here’s a pretty surreal discussion of Penn State from r/mensrights. LittleTiger, the main voice of reason here, is not an MRA.
http://www.reddit.com/r/MensRights/comments/m7ep0/is_anyone_else_upset_about_the_demonization_of/
Well yeah, MRAs apparently never feel as though they’ve properly solidified their chops as a hate movement, so they had to go make it clear by not giving a fuck about rape victims even if they are the dudes they claim to protect.
It’s not like it’s a social justice movement, they don’t have chops to protect or any real expectations of decency.
@Nobinayamu
“Which only bolsters my theory that there is very little real or positive activism coming out of the MRM in it’s current iteration.”
The positive activism is the destruction of feminism of course. What could be a more noble goal than the destruction of the vilest hate ideology ever concieved?
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@cynickal
“When a 14 year old girl see’s pictures of girls over 18 posting pictures of themselves drinking online what the fuck do you think they’re going to do?
When a 14 year old girl see’s pictures of girls over 18 posting pictures of themselves smoking online what the fuck do you think they’re going to do?”
According to your logic, no 14 year old girls have ever drank or smoked. Is that true? If they do drink or smoke underage should they be held accountable? If they take naked pictures of themselves, should they be held accoutable? Stop promoting pedophelia.
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@Spearhafoc
“The reason I hold adult men to a higher standard than I hold children is because they’re Goddamn adults and not children, you sick fuck!!”
If a 14 year old girl murders, steals, beats someone up, do you hold her accountable? If a 14 year old boy rapes, will you let it slide? A sick fuck is someone who refuses to hold another person accountable for their actions. Know anyone like that?
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@random6x7
“First of all, most people who got married at super-young ages in the past were nobility. The commoners, who make up the bulk of the population, had to wait longer, until they had enough money to marry. Hunter-gatherer women don’t usually enter adulthood until late teens, early twenties”
And you know this because…? And you further know hunter-gatherer women didn’t enter adulthood until their early twenties. Normally I never say this but, citation needed.
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@Philippa
“Where are you getting this bullshit that feminists generally in any way support paedophilia”
http://www.wnd.com/?pageId=14612
Here ya go. This is just an article telling about all the lesbian pedophiles. Every single one of them down to the last woman is a feminist. This particular article is about the, “Women’s Auxiliary of NAMBLA.” What’s interesting to note is the fact that everyone of these proud lesbian pedophiles are also proud feminists. Not only that, but many of the proud gay male pedophiles are also feminists. Not a one is an MRA. How strange is that? These are true pedophiles, I’m talkin small children. Feminists support pedophelia, MRAs don’t.
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@Myoo
“Oh, and that story you posted, about the female pedophile? That is a horrible thing and she should have been sent to jail. That she wasn’t is a disgrace.”
Women would be burning down every courthouse in the land if it was a man. And afterwards, no woman would recieve any punishment for burning down the courthouses. The MSM would be praising those women as brave, moral and justified. Men on the other hand would rot in prison, and the MSM would call them violent criminals.
In the spirit of equality, shouldn’t you be burning down the courthouses? Courage is a cheap commodity when there’s no chance of punishment.
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@darksidecat
“Men who molest boys are not generally gay or bi, this myth has been debunked over and over again. Here’s the APA’s statement, from their basic “facts about child sexual abuse”
I’m afraid your leftist facts are in error, as is your hatred of straightness. It’s quite easy to tell if a man is gay/bi. If he stuffs his dick up a man/boys ass, he’s gay or bi.
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@David Futrelle
Thx for setting the record straight about what I posted. I’m really quite used to the lies. After all, the starting point of feminism is lies and hatred.
Whoa Dave, I’m on moderation? Now what have I done. I’ve endured the constant barrage of lies, insults and hatred quite admirably. Do tell, who was so insulted that I need to be silenced? If I recall, a while back there must’ve been some nasty stuff written about MRA by the gang. Those comments, which I couldn’t view, were removed, yet here I am the moderated man.
It’s not like I’m promoting, “consensual” violent sex, consensual beating, bondage or discussing pain limitations while being, “caned.”
Do tell Dave? What was the comment that one of my equals found too much for their delicate sensibilities?
NWO: You’re okay with women being forced into slavery by men and you can’t deal with some of us liking a little bit of pain? You’re so full of shit.
He’s the most prudish little slave/pedophile ever! Also the most prone to fits of sulking.
If a person is old enough to legally have physical sex with someone, they should be old enough to legally have physical sex with anyone. There’s no real fundamental physical difference between younger and older bodies, once a body has already physically come of biological age i.e. sexual awakening i.e. puberty and sex per se is mostly a physical act. Now relationships, on the other-hand, I would concede are probably more often than not inadvisable, especially in America, where modern US culture makes such a huge fuss and muss about so-called “power imbalances” that the rest of the world (aside from the Anglosphere of US, Canada, UK, Australia, and New Zealand) accepts as just another mere fact of life, but that’s another topic. In short, I fail to see why a harmless casual (of course consensual) encounters — i.e. that don’t result in either pregnancy or disease — between a so-called Minor and Major should be punished so heavily, if at all, by the
American legal system, especialy since they are for the most part not punished at all in America between Minors and Minors or Majors and Majors. * Ironically, in the latter case, even if they are violative of the legal contract of marriage — i.e. adultery — they remain legally unpunished in America, even if they are heavily punished in the rest of the world .
So, NWO is suggesting that his preference for non-consensual sex makes him morally superior. Honestly, I do envy his ability to live every moment of his life in a dream world sometimes. If I had that kind of imagination I’d be living in the Land of Ooo right now.
You want women to be rape slaves and think it an 8 year old is sexualized. You defend child pornography. If you think not being kinky, which isn’t even a negative, is going to make you be a less horrible person, think again.
No NWO, you don’t promote consensual BDSM (which to my way of thinking is absolutle fine as long as everyone consents and is of age) you advocate for the non-consensual sexual slavery of women from the age of fourteen (or is it twelve?), which the vast majority of people in our culture would consider totally unacceptable. Strange as it may seem to you most people love their daughters and would never consider doing something so completely vile. Or are you thinking if this as a biblical thing where the convent of parents was not needed as long as the “husband” had already raped the girl in question?
Also I seem to remember a little while ago that you advocated “getting rid” of “exess women”. How exactly would you propose to do that? The question has been itching around in my head for some time now and I’d really like some clarification.
I just let a really wrong and creepy comment by “whatever” out of moderation. So have at it, people.
NWO, you’re still off moderation. Your comment got held for mentioning NAMBLA. But it’s up now, and I’m going to take NAMBLA out of the filter.
News at eleven: NWO does not understand the concept of consent.
When people low down on the power hierarchy get harmed, the MRA’s fine with it. Little boys < powerful adult men. The MRA is similarly silent on sons abused by fathers.
Speaking of 90 year old women, NWO, don’t worry, when social security runs out, you can always do what this ol geezer did
http://www.thedailybeast.com/cheats/2011/11/03/83-year-old-man-arrested-for-prostitution.html
And what do these creeps mean by “victimless crime”???? CP is a crime with the most vulnerable of victims, CHILDREN!!!
Their attitude is highly disturbing and I’m afraid, one that is gaining in popularity, supposedly CP is the fastest growing genre in porn. Why do you think there is such a demand in human trafficking and slavery in this day and age?
No wonder why MRAs run jump through hoops and turn cartwheels with their Islam apologetics – Prophet Mohammed (pbuh) married and sexually consumated his relationship with Aisha when she was just a mere child.
A match made in Jannat!
“The MRA is similarly silent on sons abused by fathers.”
You’re not a straight male, so you understand what it’s like. As long as it’s not gay incest rape (which apparently a lot of “modern” women, especially in the Anglosphere, like to fantasize about, if the slash-fic/art on the internet is any indication) , it’s an instinctive unspoken rule among straight males worldwide, as a general rule, not to talk about it at all, except in private and/or in an altered state of consciousness (drunk, on drugs, clinically depressed, sudden nervous breakdown, etc.). For a heterosexual male to publicly complain about his dad beating him as a kid, would be like Leonidas in 300 complaining about the Spartan system of upbringing. IT JUST ISN’T DONE. And while other guys may very well empathize/sympathize with the guy who talked about it, THEY CAN’T HELP BUT LOOK DOWN ON HIM AT THE SAME TIME. And even if they don’t say anything, the other guy WILL SENSE IT AND KNOW ABOUT IT and the if there’s one thing that straight males everywhere really desire, as a general rule, even if they don’t want to admit it to themselves IS ULTIMATELY THE APPROVAL/AFFIRMATION OF OTHER STRAIGHT MALES even more so than that of sexy women in many ways (One exception would be an Alpha-level Alpha, who tend to be extreme solipists/narcissists) .
In short, it’s a guy thing.
NWO said, “I’m afraid your leftist facts are in error, as is your hatred of straightness. It’s quite easy to tell if a man is gay/bi. If he stuffs his dick up a man/boys ass, he’s gay or bi.”
Throughout the region of the world where you favorite, testosterone-filled, uber-masculine, polygynist, misogynist religion resides in the majority, male on male action is VERY common and NOT considered gay or bi. Its just something they do to get off because their culture is highly gender segregated.
Gay would be if they desired to have a live-in relationship with another man, get married to him and adopt kids, like gays do here in the liberated West. Since such a thing never enters their mind, and they will get married to women and have kids “the normal way” – then they consider themselves straight men (who just do guy on guy anal until they get married to a woman).
Of course, there is a minority of actual gay guys there too, but they have to keep their feelings on the downlow.
@BROM
That would be one of those “feminism helps men too” situations. The fact that men are expected to keep quiet about that sort of thing is, well, pretty shit. A traumatic childhood can wreak havoc on one’s adult life, and getting help is important. When people are unhappy and can’t tell anyone, that unhappiness grows.
I’m not a straight guy (the username was probably a tip-off there, it’s not exactly manly XP) so you’re right, I can’t completely understand. But I do have clinical depression, and when I finally worked up the courage to tell a friend that I constantly thought about how I would kill myself, I was told to stop whining and harden up. Needless to say I was not too keen to confide again.
So I’m guessing that being a guy dealing with a traumatic childhood would be a bit like that, but more so. And that sucks. Honestly, feeling ashamed of yourself for feeling bad is one of the worst vicious cycles you can get trapped in, and I wouldn’t wish it on anyone.
Feminism says that men and women are all equal, and we’re all people. We tend to focus a lot on how this applies to women, but it applies to men too. Men aren’t robots. They don’t have balls instead of feelings. They shouldn’t have to “suck it up” when they’re hurting. That’s a surefire way to end up hurting even more.
I think you’re right, at the moment straight guys can’t really talk about how their fathers abused them etc. But if the MRM is really concerned with helping men, maybe it should be trying to change things so that they can.
It is true that men are less permitted to discuss problems; it is not true that it is to anywhere near this degree. Off the absolute top of my head, “abused as a child” is what prosecutors call a ‘defendant sob story’ that typically reduces sentences by invoking pity.
You do realize this is all, ultimately, a state of affairs that feminism would like to change, and that the social penalties for ‘admitting weakness’ are the result of the paradigm that says men must be in charge, right? Part of not having to be the dominant gender is that you’re actually not forced to display that terribly harmful invincible persona.
Not a game you want to play, believe you me. Not a game you want to play.
“Off the absolute top of my head, “abused as a child” is what prosecutors call a ‘defendant sob story’ that typically reduces sentences by invoking pity.”
And in the secret thoughts of too many males (especially Alphas – both genuine and wannabe), as a general rule (the exception would be if it inspires the trope of Manly Tears), an object of pity is something that is not to be respected or if if it is still respectable, not as much as something that does not need to be pitied. Why do you think tough-guy strong-man types always sneer “Save your pity/Spare me your pity!” Believe me, an instant rage/wangst button for a red-blooded macho man is to say for someone to say that they pity him *Except of course, if a sexy female says it, because hopefully, it will lead to pity sex. I have to admit straight guys are opporturnistic like that. I concede I don’t know if this is how it works for gay guys too.
“But if the MRM is really concerned with helping men, maybe it should be trying to change things so that they can.”
Water always seeks it’s own level and nowadays too many modern guys follow the path of least resistance by either self-medicating through escapist recreation or by getting back at their old man by making him suffer miserably during his post-retirement pre-death senior years by either imprisoning the over-the-hill and gone-to-seed ex-tyrant in crappy senior citizens homes (usually in White-dominated countries) or treating him like what the Japanese call “sodai gomi” around the house if he continues to live with his descendants(everywhere else) since he is longer the king-of-the-mountain and his home is no longer his castle anymore (chimps do this, google it). Vengeance is apparently always easier than activism tsk tsk tsk (then of course, there’s the mentality that “I paid my dues in my time, so it’s only fair that those who come after me do too”).
“Not a game you want to play, believe you me. Not a game you want to play.”
I am merely attesting to the evidence I have witnessed with my own eyes or are you saying that they were all made by gay guys? At least the ones from Japan, yes, I know they were definitely made by (straight/bi) women…
Whatever:
Like David said, really wrong and creepy. Oh, so many responses to this incredibly wrong statement, but let’s start with this: Is the brain, then, not a part of one’s body? Prefrontal cortex development isn’t complete until one’s mid-20s; until then, the brain is controlled largely by the amygalae. The reason this is important is that the prefrontal cortex controls stuff like planning, foresight, and judgment. The amygdalae, on the other hand, controls emotion. So, a 30-year-old wanting to enter into a sexual relationship with a 15-year-old — they’re operating on two completely different levels, governed by completely different impulses … not to mention using two completely different experiential levels to guide them.
So, you think that older people should be able to fuck minors, just so long as they don’t have an emotional relationship with them? Do you think that makes it better? Less responsibility for emotional fallout = better?
Because it’s totally easy to completely prevent those! Especially with a minor who has zero experience with sex, and a predatorial adult prone to having one-night stands with kids! What a great situation for making sure that everyone’s really acting responsibly!
I’m sorry … you were saying?
Yeah, well, the punishment for breaching a contract is not jail time. And minors who have sex with other minors (or even young adults in their same age range) under many states’ Romeo and Juliet laws are generally not taking advantage of minors in a predatory way.
tl;dr. In short, it’s really gross to spend your time coming up with grand theories of why raping children is OK, you gross child rape apologist, you.
Whatever: So much wrong. The lack of understanding on the subject of age/visible signs of secondary sexual characteristic is so not right as to border on not merely wrong, but not even wrong… so it’s stuck in fractally wrong.
But this In short, I fail to see why a harmless casual (of course consensual) encounters — i.e. that don’t result in either pregnancy or disease — fails because you admit that the minors aren’t really capable of making then informed consent required.
“Fuck ’em and forget ’em” isn’t in keeping with the inability to form relationships that you say the younger person has. Ergo the one night stands are based on one person knowing what they are doing, and the other not.
Which is the definition of non-consensual.
So, now that we know you are in favor of raping children… just move along.
Oh wow, the MRAs are totally in favor of child rape! What a shock! (not really)
Whatever: How the hell would you even have a one-night-stand with a teenager? Teens mostly hang out with other teens.
Brom: Congratulations. You have correctly identified a way in which patriarchy hurts men too. Welcome to feminism.
I’ve heard many express their feelings wrt the abuse meted out to them as kids, either by their father or mother or someone else in the family. I don’t know what circles you hang in, but out here where I am, men talk about it openly and are empathized with.