So yesterday I quoted some random Spearheader who described women (well, white women in particular) as “complete parasitical whores roaming the landscape spreading VD like Johnny Appleseed and fucking men over.”
One reader wondered if Mr. Appleseed really went about spreading VD. So I did a little research, and it turns out that it is exceedingly unlikely that Mr. Appleseed – who actually was a real person — spread anything other than the magic of apples. And his Swedenborgian beliefs.
Why? Because Mr. Appleseed – real name John Chapman – was what these days we might call a Man Going His Own Way. Seems he didn’t have much truck with the ladies, according to one contemporary account quoted in his Wikipedia entry:
On one occasion Miss PRICE’s mother asked Johnny if he would not be a happier man, if he were settled in a home of his own, and had a family to love him. He opened his eyes very wide–they were remarkably keen, penetrating grey eyes, almost black–and replied that all women were not what they professed to be; that some of them were deceivers; and a man might not marry the amiable woman that he thought he was getting, after all.
So what led poor Mr. Appleseed to these dire thoughts about women? Apparently the underage girl he hoped to some day get with was more into dudes who weren’t him:
Now we had always heard that Johnny had loved once upon a time, and that his lady love had proven false to him. Then he said one time he saw a poor, friendless little girl, who had no one to care for her, and sent her to school, and meant to bring her up to suit himself, and when she was old enough he intended to marry her. He clothed her and watched over her; but when she was fifteen years old, he called to see her once unexpectedly, and found her sitting beside a young man, with her hand in his, listening to his silly twaddle.
That ungrateful little strumpet!
I peeped over at Johnny while he was telling this, and, young as I was, I saw his eyes grow dark as violets, and the pupils enlarge, and his voice rise up in denunciation, while his nostrils dilated and his thin lips worked with emotion. How angry he grew! He thought the girl was basely ungrateful. After that time she was no protegé of his.
But Appleseed, despite giving up on women in the real world, held out hope for the afterlife – explaining to others that he expected to have two spirit wives all his own after he died. Which I guess is the 19th century equivalent of the MGTOWers today who fantasize about the sexy robot ladies who will eventually, it is hoped, make actual human females – with their troubling “thoughts” and “needs” and “desires” of their own – obsolete.
Mr. Appleseed’s quest to remain alone was probably also helped by the fact that – if the illustration I found on Wikipedia is any indication – he looked a bit like Dale Gribble from King of the Hill. Only much, much sloppier, with long hair. Oh, and instead of wearing a baseball cap, he wore “a tin utensil which answered both as a cap and a mush pot.”
So, yeah, a creepy weirdo who hates women — definitely an MGTOWer all the way.
Oh, except that he actually did something with his life — you know, helping spread apple trees to a big portion of the midwest — instead of spending all his time going on about how all women are whores.
Yes, dear, and the fucking Magician’s Union is a hate group against people who don’t know any card tricks.
People are allowed to form groups based on any common association they please. It doesn’t automatically follow that they’re bigots.
It does however happen that whites-only groups have a really bad history in this country, which Jewish groups (and Ukrainian ones!) do not.
Okay, I just want to make sure I’m following this right: Is NWO saying that it’s racist to try to defend your race from racists?
I belong to a professional organization for journalists. Don’t tell anyone, but it’s not really a group designed to foster networking – actually it was created in order to advance an anti-plumber agenda. We hate plumbers and wish to destroy them.
“I belong to a professional organization for journalists. Don’t tell anyone, but it’s not really a group designed to foster networking – actually it was created in order to advance an anti-plumber agenda. We hate plumbers and wish to destroy them.”
I am a furry, therefore I hate Anime. I really do.
Don’t pay any attention to the 5 star rating I gave to FMA on Netflix.
NWO is saying that it’s racist to form a group based on a common race, as this is “special treatment” because whites aren’t allowed to do that.
…Okay, well, whites are allowed to do that, but they don’t get pre-fabricated fully-funded groups handed to them by the government, and NWO hallucinates that other races do.
Also people don’t tend to think fondly of white racial organizations, and NWO thinks this is completely random prejudice, divorced from any connotations or history those organizations might have.
So basically, the only real racism is against whites, just as the only real sexism is against men, because being a privileged majority is just no fun if you can’t also co-opt the trappings of being an oppressed group.
(TL;DR: He’s a rich man who’s angry that homeless guys get free soup and he has to pay. Special treatment!)
my mom’s family emigrated in the 20s, so we didnt have anyone in the camps (my dads family was more likely to be holocaust-sympathizers than victims, which is another, more fucked up store) but my grandfather (on my moms side) was there when they were liberated and what he saw fucked him up so bad he ended up taking his own life
Actually, “a rich man who’s angry that homeless guys get free soup” is a bad way of describing NWO’s complaints. Because they do get the soup. And ethnic minorities don’t just “get” advocacy organizations.
He’s more like a rich man who’s angry that homeless guys get free ponies.
“He’s more like a rich man who’s angry that homeless guys get free ponies.”
NWO: Gimme your hypothetical awards NOW, or…or…I WILL TURN MY FACE BLUE!
*holds breath*
NWOslave, There are a number of Ukrainian American organizations you can join. A Google search would show them to you, but since it is not much trouble, I will help. There is: the UCCA at http://www.ucca.org/ , the USUF at http://www.usukraine.org/ , the UNWLA (though you might not like this one) at http://www.unwla.org . There are others, but that should be enough to get you started.
Yea, ya never see women walking about in sweats,
Wait wait wait! You’ve seen women walking around in sweats? I thought all women wear see-through tops, micro-miniskirts, and no underwear. Now you say you do see women going around in normal clothes, clearly not trying to sexually entice men? And that this is in fact something you see quite often?
My… my entire world has turned upside down.
You know, there already are anti-defamation groups for various white ethnicities. When I was a kid my parents belonged to the Hibernians, for example. As I understand it, such organizations used to be more widespread, but they tended to die out as the ethnic groups they represented stopped being widely discriminated against.
And there are WASPy colonial-pride groups like the Daughters of the American Revolution. But they’re girls, so boo hiss.
Meller: You do know that planting trees on your own property is perfectly legal. Depending on what you choose to do with the fruit, you might need some permits, but the planting… not a problem. I planted two apples and a peach last summer.
Oddly, I was not arrested, nor fined, nor even looked at sternly.
Trollin’MRAs: He was an interesting person. He like “Indians”, hated shoes, and wasn’t too fond of white folks.
He grew cider apples because it was 1) what people wanted, and 2) let him get in a crop, collect seeds, sell off the land, and move on.
Since apples don’t breed true (all edible apples are grafted clones of the rare trees that produce apples that aren’t too sour to eat) producing anything but cider apples would have forced him to 1) have a way to carry slips (the cuttings which are grafted onto rootstock) and 2) forced him to stay in place for years while people moved in around him.
Since he wasn’t all that fond of people, there was no way he was going to do that.
So a canoe full of apples seeds, and he was on his way.
@Slavey
I see you actually offered no counter factual statements. I see you have brought no actual claims to the field of history that you wish to discuss. You have brought excuses and uncorroborated claims of “leftist” writing yet with nothing evidential behind this.
So, I raised you actual research and work. You have failed to do anything about it. Come on, milk boy, are you going to continue to be such a failure? Where is your evidence? You have yet to provide any factual information.
If you want to play the existentialist game, you do realize that it won’t support your argument at all? Here is your choice. If you want to deny what I have offered based on perceptions of history, you have to admit that whatever claims of history you have are completely out of your ass and made up. The reason behind that is you have not offered any form of empirical evidence in the first place. The source of your knowledge has no trackback.
On the other hand, you can play the fact game. Which considering your current tactics, you know you will loose hands down (Just like you’ve done in math, linguistics, and nearly any field of knowledge). Do note though, when you decide not to play with empiricism, you loose whatever claims to “knowledge” you may have.
So, try not to bask in your ignorant pride to much. It’ll end up being harmful for you if you ever tried to use it in a real situation.
“Now we had always heard that Johnny had loved once upon a time, and that his lady love had proven false to him. Then he said one time he saw a poor, friendless little girl, who had no one to care for her, and sent her to school, and meant to bring her up to suit himself, and when she was old enough he intended to marry her.”
So apparently, Johnny Appleseed wasn’t providing for the girl out of altruism, but instead out of his desire to “bring her up to suit himself.” And then he placed the blame on her, as well as women as a whole.
Yep, sounds like a MGTOW to me.
I strongly recommend that anyone interested in the topic of mid-20th century eastern European genocide read Timothy Snyder’s Bloodlands, which treats the Holodomor, Katyn, the Holocaust and many other large-scale massacres that occurred in a shockingly small part of the world between the early 1930s and the late 1940s as parts of very similar attempts at colonization and absolute subjugation conducted by both Hitler and Stalin, for which they bear more or less equal responsibility.
The Poles (including Polish Jews) generally came off worst because they were hated by both the Nazis and the Bolsheviks, for different but equally virulent historical reasons: the Nazis were racists who wanted Lebensraum and the disposal of the Jews (and troublesome Slavs), while the Soviets wanted to kill off the Polish intellectual elite – which is why they rounded up army officers and academics to slaughter in Katyn (a crime that they then blamed on the Nazis, although ideologically it clearly had more in common with Stalin’s aims).
Hence the laughably-named “non-aggression pact” of August 1939 that essentially carved Poland in two and distributed the spoils amongst their worst enemies.
In fact, one of Snyder’s many fascinating tidbits is that at the time of the signing of the pact Germany’s Jewish population was comparatively tiny (low thousands), Hitler and the Nazis had only killed a very small number of people indeed, but Stalin’s body count had already hit several million through the Holodomor and the 1936-8 purges alone. Obviously, by 1945 things had changed dramatically, but Stalin still gets a free pass in certain vaguely respectable quarters, whereas Hitler-worship is rightly confined to the lunatic fringe.
NWO, I am sorry i disregarded your Ukrainian heritage. I will try harder in the future to not make assumptions.
Hey Milkslave,
Are you a premium dancer? “Everything is Illuminated” is my favourite movie set in Ukraine.
http://youtu.be/wVQly3hqPMY
http://youtu.be/um2p4GlEbKg
And you know there are Ukrainian schools in USA right? Particular schools where people of Ukrainian heritage learn the Ukrainian language, cultural heritage and history, like any other minority race or minority cultural heritage?
For example:
http://www.uskportland.org/
P.S. How is your moustache going for Movember? You know that charity devoted entirely to men’s causes?
Is it racist to have a school that only persons of Ukrainian heritage can attend?
Also, “Defiance” is a great movie about Polish Jews rebelling against Nazis and Ruskis
NWO Facts for Big book:
Racism: acknowledging that whiteness is a racialized social construct that exists. Refusing to give white men their previous privileged status of default/unnamed, AKA: “human” while everybody else is identified as raced and gendered. Refusing to condemn marginalized groups as Other. Basically acknowledging that the social constructs created by kyriarchy in the past exist in order AND understanding that such group identifications can be simultaneously the focus for oppression AND a rallying point for solidarity and anti-racist (or anti-sexist, or anti-homophobic) work.
NWO FACT 2:
Every group that anybody forms around any aspect of identity is a hate group, and all hate groups are equally hated by NWO which provves he is the only person in the world not to have anybody.
sorry for another derail, but one of my bestest, bestest, bestest friends is Ukrainian, lol…
Milkslave, you really, really, really, really need to watch the film “Everything is Illuminated”,… Because then everything will then be illuminated,…
And look up the actor/singer Eugene Hutz and his awesome band Gogol Bordello.
Have some pride in your culture – it may enrich your life 🙂
ARGH: “not to HATE anybody”
Owly, it’s great to hear you’re getting back to your cultural roots. I originally started learning German for the very same reason!
If you have time after growing your mustache and starting the Ukrainian Defense League, I can recommend an excellent podcast – the Geologic Podcast by Ukrainian-American musician George Hrab. Very little of it is about being Ukrainian, and he is a skeptic who promotes evolution, but there are well over a hundred episodes to entertain you as you pound angrily on your keyboard.
(Actually I would recommend this podcast to anyone, not just our favourite rage-filled milking machine technician.)
That is an interesting statement, given that I have met a grand total of one Stalinist, and I have spent a significant amount of time with leftists, and the democratic socialists and anarcho-socialist cured him of it within a matter of weeks. I do wonder where you are finding all of these Stalinists at. I know leftists that object to double standards where western/captalist genocides are treated differently in popular rhetoric (leftists don’t really go around accusing every capitalist of being Hitler because Hitler was a capitalist, but you see that done with Stalin and socialism/communism constantly by capitalists), but I have only ever encountered one actual Stalinist personally.
Correct me if I am wrong, but I thought there was actually an ongoing debate over the Holodomor. Not about the fact that a terrible famine happened, but whether or not it should be recognized as genocide. I was under the impression that it was a very, very hot topic in certain political and academic circles. I can see how it would make a Ukrainian angry to see Holocaust deniers considered fringe lunatics while the Holodomor is relatively unknown, and on the international stage is still considered a question that needs to be resolved.
However, you’d think a guy driven to internet rage over this fact would at least have a little empathy for the victims of a comparable tragedy. The Holocaust didn’t steal the Holodomor’s thunder on purpose – there’s still a lot of terrible things about Soviet history that the rest of the world just doesn’t know. Also it seems odd that someone interested in Soviet history would automatically trust documentation closer to the event in question chronologically than to later, more comprehensive works or alternate views, regardless of any potential bias of the historian or author. A Russian with such a policy would have no problems digging up enough documents to ‘prove’ the Holodomor never happened.