So yesterday I quoted some random Spearheader who described women (well, white women in particular) as “complete parasitical whores roaming the landscape spreading VD like Johnny Appleseed and fucking men over.”
One reader wondered if Mr. Appleseed really went about spreading VD. So I did a little research, and it turns out that it is exceedingly unlikely that Mr. Appleseed – who actually was a real person — spread anything other than the magic of apples. And his Swedenborgian beliefs.
Why? Because Mr. Appleseed – real name John Chapman – was what these days we might call a Man Going His Own Way. Seems he didn’t have much truck with the ladies, according to one contemporary account quoted in his Wikipedia entry:
On one occasion Miss PRICE’s mother asked Johnny if he would not be a happier man, if he were settled in a home of his own, and had a family to love him. He opened his eyes very wide–they were remarkably keen, penetrating grey eyes, almost black–and replied that all women were not what they professed to be; that some of them were deceivers; and a man might not marry the amiable woman that he thought he was getting, after all.
So what led poor Mr. Appleseed to these dire thoughts about women? Apparently the underage girl he hoped to some day get with was more into dudes who weren’t him:
Now we had always heard that Johnny had loved once upon a time, and that his lady love had proven false to him. Then he said one time he saw a poor, friendless little girl, who had no one to care for her, and sent her to school, and meant to bring her up to suit himself, and when she was old enough he intended to marry her. He clothed her and watched over her; but when she was fifteen years old, he called to see her once unexpectedly, and found her sitting beside a young man, with her hand in his, listening to his silly twaddle.
That ungrateful little strumpet!
I peeped over at Johnny while he was telling this, and, young as I was, I saw his eyes grow dark as violets, and the pupils enlarge, and his voice rise up in denunciation, while his nostrils dilated and his thin lips worked with emotion. How angry he grew! He thought the girl was basely ungrateful. After that time she was no protegé of his.
But Appleseed, despite giving up on women in the real world, held out hope for the afterlife – explaining to others that he expected to have two spirit wives all his own after he died. Which I guess is the 19th century equivalent of the MGTOWers today who fantasize about the sexy robot ladies who will eventually, it is hoped, make actual human females – with their troubling “thoughts” and “needs” and “desires” of their own – obsolete.
Mr. Appleseed’s quest to remain alone was probably also helped by the fact that – if the illustration I found on Wikipedia is any indication – he looked a bit like Dale Gribble from King of the Hill. Only much, much sloppier, with long hair. Oh, and instead of wearing a baseball cap, he wore “a tin utensil which answered both as a cap and a mush pot.”
So, yeah, a creepy weirdo who hates women — definitely an MGTOWer all the way.
Oh, except that he actually did something with his life — you know, helping spread apple trees to a big portion of the midwest — instead of spending all his time going on about how all women are whores.
Well, I, for one, question the official story of Vietnam. I have it on pretty good authority that a giant, blue, scantily-dressed guy won it for the Americans.
I like how NWO is fine with ‘questioning’ the Holocaust (Go for it dude, the evidence is absolutely, positively staggering, and won’t be changing), but if we point to the reality of what happened to a single white dude who Meriken elementary schools devote inordinate amounts of time too, suddenly it’s feminist leftist propaganda.
Using the dude’s own primary sources, I might add.
Oh! Now I get it! Owly <3 Columbus Because they both suck at math and had overinflated opinions of their own self-worth. I guess Owly is willing to overlook his being brown.
@Myoo
“I’m pretty sure that Ukrainian people would care if you started questioning it, NWO. I don’t think there are any Ukrainians here, or at least they’re not regular posters.
I’ll acknowledge that the Holocaust gets disproportionate treatment when compared to other genocides, but that is because it was the result of the policies of an expansionist government that got involved in a war with the whole of Europe and the USA, and as such, the realities of it are known to most Europeans and Americans.”
As I clearly stated that my ancestors were murdered by Bolsheviks, therefore I am of Ukrainian decent. Don’t I get a victim card? Don’t I get a free pass? Where’s the knee-jerk protection I deserve as well?
You can’t ever bring yourselves to blame a precious Rothchild for literally bankrupting entire nations because of some precious semitic lineage. Talk about racist. All those thrid world, poor black countries you all claim to care about have been systematically placed in that economic hell by good old Rothchild. And if you could get past your damn racism, and horror of horrors actually blame the person who did it maybe those countries wouldn’t be such a shit-hole. But you can’t blame that person without being anti-semitic, (now spelled properly), can ya Holly? Or the rest of you?
So even though you freely admit semitic folks do get disproportional treatment, it’s policy. Racial preference policy. Shall we open a few more JDLs. Doesn’t everybody get one of those? Why is there JDLs in virtually every nation on the planet? Are Jews disproportionally poor? Uneducated? Impoverished? Not well represented politically? Not well represented in the media? In what realm of society are they oppressed that they need a defense league? Doncha ya think having special treatment for only semitic people is going to breed hatred of semitic people?
Between 5,500,000 and 7,000,000 Ukrainian noncombatants died during the second world war. Few died in the camps, because work and execution camps were not used in the occupied portions of the Soviet Union. Those Ukrainians that were killed in the camps were not recorded separately from the other Soviets, so that number is unknown. The total number Soviet prisoners of war executed in The Shoah was approximately 3,000,000, of which Ukrainians probably made up the second largest group, after Russians. The Ukrainian noncombatants killed in Ukraine were a combination of civilian casualties of battle, and victims of Einsatzgruppen attacks.
The loss of Ukrainian life in the second world war was staggering. Only the Russians and Germans lost more total people in that war.
Let me amend that last statement, there is some evidence to suggest that the Chinese lost more than the Germans and Ukrainians, though the estimates from China are so varied that absolute determination is difficult.
Yes. You get exactly as much of a “victim card” and a “free pass” as every Jew in America! Yayyyy!
(Seriously, is there something–something concrete, not consisting of words and feelings–that you think people holding a “victim card” get that you don’t?)
Okay, this one is less of a “racism” problem, more of a “Earth history and Earth economics” problem. The reason I don’t blame the “Rothchild” for doing this is because no such thing happened.
Well, people like you exist.
It’s not special treatment to have our own organizations that we started and we fund. The ADL (the JDL is a different thing and a lot less legitimate) wasn’t a gift handed down from on high.
You want to start a Ukrainian organization, or a Christian organization? Go right ahead! There are many but there’s room for more! But don’t expect someone to gift-wrap a ready-made organization for you, because no one gets that.
You might have some trouble starting an “everybody but Jews” organization, but if it makes you feel better, “everybody but Ukrainians” organizations aren’t likely to fare much better.
You want a Ukranian Defense League, Slavey? Sounds good to me. Now go start one.
(But real life political activism is hard! It’s not his fault that he isn’t actually doing anything. The dog ate his homework.)
What I want to know is: Why haven’t the Jews started a Ukrainian Defense League?
For every dollar a Jew gives to a Ukrainian, Ukrainians give ten billion dollars to Jews…
The funny thing is that right now Ukranians could really use a defense league of some sort because of a. many women being trafficked from the Ukraine for sex work, who b. did not realise that’s what they were getting into and therefore c. in some parts of the world any Ukranian woman is assumed to be a sex worker and therefore mistreated because of prejudice against sex workers.
But of course Slavey doesn’t care about any of this and would not support that kind of Ukranian defence league because he thinks all women are whores and should be punished for it anyway. He sees nothing wrong with sex slavery, so who cares about all those Ukranian girls who’re being trafficked?
CassandraSays – I don’t think it even goes as deep as not caring about sex slavery. I’d bet my pet Golem (we all have one) that he didn’t know, because the only things he knows about the Ukraine are things he read on Holocaust denial sites. (They like to play up the Holomodor as somehow canceling out the Holocaust.) Do you really think he’s up to date on contemporary Ukrainian issues?
Well, this serves me right for posting numbers from outdated textbooks. It seems that Ukraine lost 5,200,000 civilians and 1,650,000 military persons in the Second World War. This puts it well below the total number of Chinese people killed. Of course Ukraine lost over 15% of its total population. As I said that war was horrible, the Shoah was horrible, the Japanese slaughter was horrible.
I am a little lost though, how did we get onto the topic of the atrocities committed but the Nazis and the Imperial Japanese Army?
OK, you may have a point there. But really, if he’s going to invoke his official Ukranian status as a counterpoint in an argument, shouldn’t he have at least prepared some relevant arguments? Like I said, dog ate his homework, as usual.
Even though I know Slavey’s brand of vapid drivel, sometimes bits of it still blindside me. So the Bolsheviks never killed anyone who wasn’t Ukrainian?
@ katz – Also notice that he can’t spell his own ethnic heritage. Clearly it’s very important to him.
But yes, no Russians suffered under the Bolsheviks, because Russians are evil and invented feminism.
@Holly Pervocracy
“What I want to know is: Why haven’t the Jews started a Ukrainian Defense League?”
Can’t you see the racism in having any type of defense league for any race?
What’s the difference between a white supremacist and a semitic supremacist? You can call it a defense league if you like, it’s one more supremacist movement. There is absolutely no difference between a white supremacist and the ADL. Both advance an agenda specific and exclusionary to all others.
Like I said I’m the only non-racist here. I support no white hate group, black hate group, or semitic hate group. Do you?
“Of course feminists could make a “husbandbot”, but why should they? They already have a large number of suitably trained, well “programmed”, egalitarian renegade-males, who faithfully parrot the feminist lines as well as any feminist itself! ”
AHAHAHAHA now that would be nice! not in a controlly way just if a large amount of men parroted feminist lines, the world would be a much more respectful happier place!
Actually, we do know, more or less, how many Ukrainians died in the Holodomor. You…can’t question it. There’s no conspiracy to suppress it. I’ve read books on it. These books exist.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Holodomor
Actually I take back the comment about the spelling, I just can’t read without my contacts in.
Given that he isn’t up to date on contemporary American issues…
Basically, NWO, it’s not that we don’t care about historical events other than the Holocaust. People around here do, as do I. But the way you’re going about it…yeah, you’re not helping. At all.
…Ok, I’ve just read what you’ve wrote. Forget it, NWO, you’re like the Revspinnaker of historical facts. You always whine about them (or at least your lack of knowledge of them), but you are you REALLY interested in doing anything about it? Do you REALLY not know the difference between trolling in the comment section and ACTUAL FUCKING ACTIVISM?
Seriously, shit like that tries my patience, and I’ve had a bad week as it is.
Whew. You had me going back and checking myself there.
“What’s the difference between a white supremacist and a semitic supremacist? You can call it a defense league if you like, it’s one more supremacist movement. There is absolutely no difference between a white supremacist and the ADL. Both advance an agenda specific and exclusionary to all others.
Like I said I’m the only non-racist here. I support no white hate group, black hate group, or semitic hate group. Do you?”
Said shit that got me angry in my last comment. You’re clearly not in this to help ANYBODY, you’re just here to masturbate over you being “better” than us, using actual atrocious events as your fuel.
@ katz – Yeah, sorry about that. Very little sleep + no contacts = I can neither read small print nor type properly myself.
The point about the Bolsheviks having killed lots and lots of other people, though, still stands.