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Johnny Appleseed: A Man Going His Own Way?

How do you like them apples?

So yesterday I quoted some random Spearheader who described women (well, white women in particular) as “complete parasitical whores roaming the landscape spreading VD like Johnny Appleseed and fucking men over.”

One reader wondered if Mr. Appleseed really went about spreading VD. So I did a little research, and it turns out that it is exceedingly unlikely that Mr. Appleseed – who actually was a real person — spread anything other than the magic of apples. And his Swedenborgian beliefs.

Why? Because Mr. Appleseed – real name John Chapman – was what these days we might call a Man Going His Own Way. Seems he didn’t have much truck with the ladies, according to one contemporary account quoted in his Wikipedia entry:

On one occasion Miss PRICE’s mother asked Johnny if he would not be a happier man, if he were settled in a home of his own, and had a family to love him. He opened his eyes very wide–they were remarkably keen, penetrating grey eyes, almost black–and replied that all women were not what they professed to be; that some of them were deceivers; and a man might not marry the amiable woman that he thought he was getting, after all.

So what led poor Mr. Appleseed to these dire thoughts about women? Apparently the underage girl he hoped to some day get with was more into dudes who weren’t him:

Now we had always heard that Johnny had loved once upon a time, and that his lady love had proven false to him. Then he said one time he saw a poor, friendless little girl, who had no one to care for her, and sent her to school, and meant to bring her up to suit himself, and when she was old enough he intended to marry her. He clothed her and watched over her; but when she was fifteen years old, he called to see her once unexpectedly, and found her sitting beside a young man, with her hand in his, listening to his silly twaddle.

That ungrateful little strumpet!

I peeped over at Johnny while he was telling this, and, young as I was, I saw his eyes grow dark as violets, and the pupils enlarge, and his voice rise up in denunciation, while his nostrils dilated and his thin lips worked with emotion. How angry he grew! He thought the girl was basely ungrateful. After that time she was no protegé of his.

But Appleseed, despite giving up on women in the real world, held out hope for the afterlife – explaining to others that he expected to have two spirit wives all his own after he died. Which I guess is the 19th century equivalent of the MGTOWers today who fantasize about the sexy robot ladies who will eventually, it is hoped, make actual human females – with their troubling “thoughts” and “needs” and “desires” of their own – obsolete.

Mr. Appleseed’s quest to remain alone was probably also helped by the fact that – if the illustration I found on Wikipedia is any indication – he looked a bit like Dale Gribble from King of the Hill. Only much, much sloppier, with long hair. Oh, and instead of wearing a baseball cap, he wore “a tin utensil which answered both as a cap and a mush pot.”

So, yeah, a creepy weirdo who hates women — definitely an MGTOWer all the way.

Oh, except that he actually did something with his life — you know, helping spread apple trees to a big portion of the midwest — instead of spending all his time going on about how all women are whores.

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NWOslave
NWOslave
12 years ago

@Flib
“Tinker, T., & Freeland, M. (2008). Thief, Slave Trader, Murderer: Christopher Columbus and Caribbean Population Decline.”

I find leftist writings, written 500 years after the fact to be skewed. I’m funny that way. I notice that before feminist indoctrination became public school policy, columbus was celebrated as an expolorer of some note, if I remember correctly.

Of course, what can one expect from the most destructive hate ideology ever concieved. White/man has been the scapegoat of feminism for decades. Black men aren’t immune from feminists vile hatred either, as the previous article about Herman Cain clearly illustrates. He may be exempt from feminists racial hatred, but not their vile hatred of men.

Rutee Katreya
12 years ago

And since you’re on about slavers, let’s go to the source, Isabella, who sat at the table with Ferdinand and the pope as they divided up the new world.

You imbecile, you mentioned her husband and co-ruler but not the king of fucking Portugal? You do know what the Treaty of Tordesilla was *about* right? Spain got half, Portugal got the other half. It wasn’t split between the newly united Castile y Aragon.

Now she was a piece of work, she would’ve sent every European man to a watery grave if it meant more exotic jewels, perfumes and silks with which she could adorn herself. Of that we have documentation.

This is horse shit, in that this is well documented; her religious fervor was a primary motivating factor in her life. You’re reading your own jackass narratives.

Re: Columbus as a slaveholder, I don’t know why you object to slavery, seeing as you want a coterie of rape slaves yourself, but Columbus’ primary dispute with Spain was that he wasn’t that he wasn’t given a big enough Encomienda to celebrate his efforts of fucking up basic math and assuming he was smarter than every court astronomer. Encomiendas basically involved *slaves*, of the native people and imported variety. And he wanted a bigger one. Apply basic logic.

Sniper
Sniper
12 years ago

So… Rick Perry is now a radical feminist? Sure, why not? It makes as much sense as anything.

KathleenB
KathleenB
12 years ago

NWO: You dipshit, I was referring to your comment about her starting wars for perfume and baubles. Let me refresh your memory:

Now she was a piece of work, she would’ve sent every European man to a watery grave if it meant more exotic jewels, perfumes and silks with which she could adorn herself.

Quit moving the goalposts. Unless that black hole in your head is starting to suck those in along with 9/10ths of what passes through your skull.

Mr. Kobold
12 years ago

Yeah Slavey, heads up those so called “Leftist writings” (one of them folksy Texan words for facts), are published material.
All your facts either come from your ass or, the asses of others and their assorted racist/anti-semitic/misogynistic nerd rage websites as you trawl them.

“I notice that before feminist indoctrination became public school policy, columbus was celebrated as an expolorer of some note, if I remember correctly.”

Do you also remember when schools used to be segregated? The current take on Columbus is an example of America (except for you and your ilk) learning better.

Put down the Star Wars Yungzhan Vong Saga for a bit, and maybe take up some nonfiction.
Maybe star with this:

Christopher Columbus, Mariner (1955) Samuel Eliot Morison

Mr. Kobold
12 years ago

*start

KathleenB
KathleenB
12 years ago

Mr. Kobold: I would also recommend Indian Givers, an excellent examination of what parts of Western culture can be traced to first Nations roots.

Rutee Katreya
12 years ago

columbus was celebrated as an expolorer of some note, if I remember correctly.

Regardless of his human rights fail, it is patently untrue that Columbus had any explorer credentials (Although US schools continually teach this); He was a lucky idiot. He didn’t bravely offer the idea of a round earth to scholars who laughed at him. He offered an inaccurate estimate of the earth’s size to astronomer’s who’d roughly correctly calculated it decades before his stupid ass. That’s why he couldn’t get funding; *He was wrong*. And everyone knew it. He was looking for India, and didn’t pack enough food to get there even if the american continents weren’t in the way

Magpie
Magpie
12 years ago

My brother and his mates, definitely Non-Feminist Men, all cook. When they get together they swap recipes and talk about their kids. Mind blown, NWO?

Rutee Katreya
12 years ago

…Does Owly actually think that star wars fiction is good, or was he trolling us?

I know this is a minor thing after his lionization of a jackass slaver, but still.

NWOslave
NWOslave
12 years ago

@Rutee Katreya
“You imbecile, you mentioned her husband and co-ruler but not the king of fucking Portugal? You do know what the Treaty of Tordesilla was *about* right? Spain got half, Portugal got the other half. It wasn’t split between the newly united Castile y Aragon.”

Spain and Portugal? Tsk, tsk, wikigirl. Evil brown people doing evil things. Women included. How horrifying!

Mr. Kobold
12 years ago

To Rutee

Slavey did one of his things way back when where he was all:

“THE BEST NOVELS EVAR ARE!”

And he made a list that included Game of Thrones (okay) and some Star Wars novels.

We proceeded to raise eyebrows at the “whole best novels ever thing” before he left in a sniffling flounce.

I mean, I’ll admit to reading Warhammer 40K fiction every now and then but I am smart enough to treat these and bored day reads instead “BEST NOVELS EVRE!”

Snowy
Snowy
12 years ago

Spain and Portugal? Tsk, tsk, wikigirl. Evil brown people doing evil things. Women included. How horrifying!

What does this even mean?

Mr. Kobold
12 years ago

“Spain and Portugal? Tsk, tsk, wikigirl. Evil brown people doing evil things. Women included. How horrifying!”

Did you just chide her on adding some historical facts?
Jesus I hope, since you have given up recently on the whole “I have a Jewish best friend” and “I am a super smart milk engineer” recently, that you are just a very diligent internet troll, because someone so happily stupid is painful to witness.

Holly Pervocracy
12 years ago

I think it’s entirely possible (er, certain, actually) that our historical record is incomplete and politically biased.

I don’t think that substituting it ad libitum with bits from the 1911 Britannica, bits from far-right conspiracy theory websites, and Spackling in the gaps with pure fevered imagination improves matters.

There’s a difference between saying “our knowledge is not completely reliable” and saying “therefore the exact opposite must be true.”

Rutee Katreya
12 years ago

No, actually, the Treaty of Tordesillas was so fucking important that I actually do not need to look at wikipedia before I can name the parties to it by office. I’d have to look at it if I actually about the name of that portuguese king, sure, but that’s a pretty irrelevant detail.

And to consider Portugal brown is so stupid that I’m not sure how to respond to that. Do you know where Portugal is, you arrogant, racist clown? Of course you don’t.

CassandraSays
CassandraSays
12 years ago

@ Snowy – I think it means that Slavey does not consider Spanish or Portuguese people white?

Myoo
Myoo
12 years ago

“Evil brown people”, NWO? from Spain and Portugal? Spain and Portugal are mostly WHITE countries you moron! I should know, I’m from Portugal.

Holly Pervocracy
12 years ago

Back in the day NWO claimed that he was multiracial, and then clarified that he was 15/16ths white and 1/16th Spanish. If it was anyone else I’d take that for penetrating satire, but with NWO, I’m pretty sure he meant it.

Snowy
Snowy
12 years ago

Cassandra, I guess? I usually skim his comments to tell the truth but that one was just absurdist gold.

hellkell
hellkell
12 years ago

NWO probably has Spain and Portugal confused with Mexico. Then again, he probably thinks anywhere that isn’t the US isn’t white.

Mr. Kobold
12 years ago

Shit, I just realized that the last picture with the Portuguese soccer fans had little girls in it, now I feel really gross posting that for Slavey.

Snowy
Snowy
12 years ago

EWWW

CassandraSays
CassandraSays
12 years ago

The Scandinavian countries – not very white, overall, according to Slavey logic. Or maybe he just counts anyone with brown hair as non-white?

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