So yesterday I quoted some random Spearheader who described women (well, white women in particular) as “complete parasitical whores roaming the landscape spreading VD like Johnny Appleseed and fucking men over.”
One reader wondered if Mr. Appleseed really went about spreading VD. So I did a little research, and it turns out that it is exceedingly unlikely that Mr. Appleseed – who actually was a real person — spread anything other than the magic of apples. And his Swedenborgian beliefs.
Why? Because Mr. Appleseed – real name John Chapman – was what these days we might call a Man Going His Own Way. Seems he didn’t have much truck with the ladies, according to one contemporary account quoted in his Wikipedia entry:
On one occasion Miss PRICE’s mother asked Johnny if he would not be a happier man, if he were settled in a home of his own, and had a family to love him. He opened his eyes very wide–they were remarkably keen, penetrating grey eyes, almost black–and replied that all women were not what they professed to be; that some of them were deceivers; and a man might not marry the amiable woman that he thought he was getting, after all.
So what led poor Mr. Appleseed to these dire thoughts about women? Apparently the underage girl he hoped to some day get with was more into dudes who weren’t him:
Now we had always heard that Johnny had loved once upon a time, and that his lady love had proven false to him. Then he said one time he saw a poor, friendless little girl, who had no one to care for her, and sent her to school, and meant to bring her up to suit himself, and when she was old enough he intended to marry her. He clothed her and watched over her; but when she was fifteen years old, he called to see her once unexpectedly, and found her sitting beside a young man, with her hand in his, listening to his silly twaddle.
That ungrateful little strumpet!
I peeped over at Johnny while he was telling this, and, young as I was, I saw his eyes grow dark as violets, and the pupils enlarge, and his voice rise up in denunciation, while his nostrils dilated and his thin lips worked with emotion. How angry he grew! He thought the girl was basely ungrateful. After that time she was no protegé of his.
But Appleseed, despite giving up on women in the real world, held out hope for the afterlife – explaining to others that he expected to have two spirit wives all his own after he died. Which I guess is the 19th century equivalent of the MGTOWers today who fantasize about the sexy robot ladies who will eventually, it is hoped, make actual human females – with their troubling “thoughts” and “needs” and “desires” of their own – obsolete.
Mr. Appleseed’s quest to remain alone was probably also helped by the fact that – if the illustration I found on Wikipedia is any indication – he looked a bit like Dale Gribble from King of the Hill. Only much, much sloppier, with long hair. Oh, and instead of wearing a baseball cap, he wore “a tin utensil which answered both as a cap and a mush pot.”
So, yeah, a creepy weirdo who hates women — definitely an MGTOWer all the way.
Oh, except that he actually did something with his life — you know, helping spread apple trees to a big portion of the midwest — instead of spending all his time going on about how all women are whores.
xD
I like that he finally learned to spell my name 😀 It’s working! xD
Also he’s adopted my smileys :3 Soon we will turn him! 😀
Wait… so you just win arguments cuz you say you do? XD I notice that your standard changed once Zhinxy proved she knew more than you about Libertarian stuff xD Now it’s not “COME TO ME, CHALLENGE THE MIGHTY MELLERTRON!” it’s “I’VE ALRDY WON SO NO DEBATE IS NECESSARY! umm… Imma go now… away… from… Zhinxy… GOODBYE!”
xD
Um… Meller so rly this isn’t about the attractiveness of women at all, modern or otherwise xD It’s that… you like dolls better than humans o: You know, if you said that at the very beginning, I dun think nebody would have argued w/ you at all, since it’s your kink :3
So you can have your little China dolls, and the rest of us can have actual people, and all is good in the world! 😀
The only way I could see that you’d even WANT to make a utopia would be if you wanted to wipe out the human race and replace everybody w/ action figures o_O
Do… you? o_O
So, Meller, you are really sounding like an Agalmatophiliac, comparing all women unfavorably with your dolls, and dreaming of the day when your dolls will move and talk to you. I don’t think at any point in history you would have been satisfied with any living woman. You would always have been dreaming of your beautiful doll. If that’s what you want, fine. But don’t hate women for not being your living dolls. They never were, ever.
I love how whenever I engage a troll long enough, EVEN NWO and MRAL, they all eventually start talking like me whether they want to or not xD The XD just starts creeping in…. the smileys start to appear… 😀
It’s hard not to become pink and happy when you’re around me 😀
Meller, having a penis does not mean you win every argument, sorry to break it to you.
Do your dolls have names? Do you have tea parties with them?
Ami – You have tremendous powers against Trollkind.
I thought dolls coming to life is a horror story staple o_o I know as a kid a lot of the scary stories they’d used to tell around Halloween revolved around moving, talking dolls (usually when the narrator isn’t watching) and those are quite scary o:
Apparently for Meller it’s a big turn on! 😀 We should sneak into Meller’s house and move his dolls around while he sleeps, he’d wake up and go OMG! IT’S FINALLY HAPPENING!!!! And he’d be so happy! 😀 Then he will stop being a hateful jerkface and all will be good in the world :3
XD Actually I’m having a hard time disliking Meller now that I know he’s a doll enthusiast. It’s just SO CUTE! 😀 He’s one of the few trolls here who’ll admit to doing NETHING that’s like… unmanly…. HE COLLECTS DOLLS! 😀 It’s ADORABLE isn’t it? 😀
*hugs Meller* awwww…
and he’s so happy w/ his dolls (or at least he sounds happy) :] It’s kinda sweet actually (except that he apparently wants to get rid of freedom and wipe out humanity b/c he wants a world of dolls, but we can work on that) :3
“Not only do I discuss things with my dolls–and fluffies–but they are each considerably more appreciative and intelligent than any bitchpost that I observe on this blog!”
Please feel free to explain how a doll can be intelligent. Is it the Bride of Chuckie?
I think he essentially talks to himself xD Which makes it even MORE adorable xD
Interesting. In Meller’s book, the only way a woman can be truly appreciative and intelligent is if said woman possesses neither emotion nor intellect. No logical contradiction there, no sir. >:
“Molly Ren–talk about creepy! Any exchange of messages with you would give the shivers to a block of dry ice!”
Now I wish I knew what I said that was so terrifying. Was it the fat acceptance thing? The mention of the orgy? The fact that I’ve started using “XD”?
Well, XD is pretty terrifying.
D: <Look out behind you!) 😐 XD
“*hugs Meller* awwww…
and he’s so happy w/ his dolls (or at least he sounds happy) :] It’s kinda sweet actually (except that he apparently wants to get rid of freedom and wipe out humanity b/c he wants a world of dolls, but we can work on that) :3”
Pretty much. And here he is in a place where he’s not very likely to be judged for his preferences, as long as they are just his preferences, and not a standard to hold living women to. And what does he do, but yell that we’re the least doll-like women ever…
Meller’s ideal universe: Only he talks. Everyone else looks at him adoringly. And is made of porcelain.
AmiAngelwings–November19 @7:08pm
Zhinxi “proved” no such thing. The kinds of libertarianism she feels comfortable with is quite different than mine, that is all! She knows more about–perhaps–mutualist anarchism, feminism, and where the two overlap. I, know, on the other hand, more about foreign policy and international affairs, government/media overlap. and Austrian economics. We each don’t necessarily know MORE than the other one, only our respective area(s) of expertise are different. Nobody (except perhaps the late Murray N. Rothbard) can know everything about everything!
She is much better at communicating libertarian ideas to you manboobzers (and manboobzesses) than I am. This is certainly not surprising, given my hostility to you feminists and “modern women’ generally. I probably would be better at communicating libertarianism–perhaps also even anarchism–on Spearhead, inMalaFide, AngryHarry, or other antifeminist circles, for the same reasons.
At any rate, she is no “expert” in liberty generally, and neither am I. Let’s say that we each have our own areas of interest and let it go at that!
I am assuming (perhaps mistakenly) that you are intelligent enough to receive this message.
Limit the girlygiggles!
So, DKM: You gonna go on Zhinxy’s blog and have that debate that other libertarians will evaluate that she invited you to oh a while ago?XD
We’ll see. Right now, I am leaning sympathetically in that direction. Let us see how it works out!
DKM, is giggling good or not?
I suspect that DKM intends “girlygiggles” to offend us–that is, he’s saying that we’re all vapid, airheaded females (although zhinxy seems to be messing with his pigeonholes), and expecting that we’ll feel demeaned and belittled by that assertion.
Except that he also thinks that being a vapid airhead is what all women not only should, but do want. You can’t use it as an insult if it’s supposed to also be our heart’s desire.
Zhinxi “proved” no such thing. The kinds of libertarianism she feels comfortable with is quite different than mine, that is all!
Your kind of libertarianism… you mean tyranny? xD
You’re right… her libertarianism IS quite different than tyranny XD
(and you got your keyboard mixed up again… xD )
Yeah, zhinxy knows things that aren’t completely fucking wrong.
DKM and his wife, happy at last:
http://image.rakuten.co.jp/kobo-tensho/cabinet/10hina/chara/kitty_2.jpg
Bagelsan, that is one the cutest damn things I’ve ever seen.
Or a DKM harem!
http://i01.i.aliimg.com/photo/v0/105476169/Uniform_couples_of_Hello_Kitty_Dear_Daniel.jpg
Hello Kitty is fluffy and a doll and literally does not have a mouth, so I’m pretty sure she’s Meller’s perfect woman!
Isn’t it, Dracula? I started looking so I could mock Meller but now it’s actually just fun scrolling through adorb kitty doll photos. 😀