So yesterday I quoted some random Spearheader who described women (well, white women in particular) as “complete parasitical whores roaming the landscape spreading VD like Johnny Appleseed and fucking men over.”
One reader wondered if Mr. Appleseed really went about spreading VD. So I did a little research, and it turns out that it is exceedingly unlikely that Mr. Appleseed – who actually was a real person — spread anything other than the magic of apples. And his Swedenborgian beliefs.
Why? Because Mr. Appleseed – real name John Chapman – was what these days we might call a Man Going His Own Way. Seems he didn’t have much truck with the ladies, according to one contemporary account quoted in his Wikipedia entry:
On one occasion Miss PRICE’s mother asked Johnny if he would not be a happier man, if he were settled in a home of his own, and had a family to love him. He opened his eyes very wide–they were remarkably keen, penetrating grey eyes, almost black–and replied that all women were not what they professed to be; that some of them were deceivers; and a man might not marry the amiable woman that he thought he was getting, after all.
So what led poor Mr. Appleseed to these dire thoughts about women? Apparently the underage girl he hoped to some day get with was more into dudes who weren’t him:
Now we had always heard that Johnny had loved once upon a time, and that his lady love had proven false to him. Then he said one time he saw a poor, friendless little girl, who had no one to care for her, and sent her to school, and meant to bring her up to suit himself, and when she was old enough he intended to marry her. He clothed her and watched over her; but when she was fifteen years old, he called to see her once unexpectedly, and found her sitting beside a young man, with her hand in his, listening to his silly twaddle.
That ungrateful little strumpet!
I peeped over at Johnny while he was telling this, and, young as I was, I saw his eyes grow dark as violets, and the pupils enlarge, and his voice rise up in denunciation, while his nostrils dilated and his thin lips worked with emotion. How angry he grew! He thought the girl was basely ungrateful. After that time she was no protegé of his.
But Appleseed, despite giving up on women in the real world, held out hope for the afterlife – explaining to others that he expected to have two spirit wives all his own after he died. Which I guess is the 19th century equivalent of the MGTOWers today who fantasize about the sexy robot ladies who will eventually, it is hoped, make actual human females – with their troubling “thoughts” and “needs” and “desires” of their own – obsolete.
Mr. Appleseed’s quest to remain alone was probably also helped by the fact that – if the illustration I found on Wikipedia is any indication – he looked a bit like Dale Gribble from King of the Hill. Only much, much sloppier, with long hair. Oh, and instead of wearing a baseball cap, he wore “a tin utensil which answered both as a cap and a mush pot.”
So, yeah, a creepy weirdo who hates women — definitely an MGTOWer all the way.
Oh, except that he actually did something with his life — you know, helping spread apple trees to a big portion of the midwest — instead of spending all his time going on about how all women are whores.
BTW – There might be some gender differences in math ability, but I don’t think we’ve had the experience to see how that shakes out without stereotype threat. And the thing is, “proved” gender differences in abilities are usually a few percentage points.
And instead of going, hmm, that’s interesting, we suddenly place all females below all males in that area. Jury is still out as far as I’m concerned, and what I’m trying to do is get the stupid stereotyping out of the way so any little boy or girl or intersex or genderqueer kid can pursue whatever area they want and let their talents flower. If it turns out more math whizzes are boys, well hey! Isn’t that interesting! It’s not a sign of some superiority. Just one of those things. That’s freedom. That’s awesome.
Because you are being an ignore-bot… I’m reminding you that Zhinxy said that :3
I missed the thing about math ability, but check these studies out:
http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2010/01/100105112303.htm
http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2009/06/090601182655.htm
http://thesocietypages.org/socimages/2011/10/25/sex-society-and-spatial-ability/
I’m not sure where David K Meller stands.
I know that I’m socially liberal and conservative finically, while doing what I can to always give a hand up.
I was sent this video as a joke by another white rich man. He’s right that we should have to do the same.
http://www.youtube.com/embed/OAOrT0OcHh0?version=3&rel=1&fs=1&showsearch=0&showinfo=1&iv_load_policy=1&wmode=transparent
I laughed at it, I disagreed with it but I can see a grey area.
MRA’S see no grey area. That’s the problem with mra’s
@zhinxy: Daffy Duck surrounded by D&D hot maidens is one of the more surreal things I’ve seen this month.
Quackers – I admit I am not nearly as up on Chomsky as I want to be. I think he’s a great critic of American Empire, but I know him mostly through what others have written about him, or short interviews or contributions to other things. I plan to fix this very soon.
PS. Bragging time, dammit! I took one of those spatial reasoning puzzle block tests as part of an evaluation during my military time. The tester looked at me with a shocked expression after I finished, and said she’d never seen anyone, male or female, do it that quickly.
I guess to mra’s that means I’m… High T or something? Some other reason I’m a freak?
Pecunium – True, Heinlein was not “really” libertarian. Still, may I point you to All You Zombies? That is the self made man! AND woman! Such self-reliance, self-creation, selfy-welfy-self-SELFINESS! THE ULTIMATE IN LIBERTARIANISM! 😉
I too do not like Friday.
DSC – Oh, I didn’t think you were nettling me! Just expressing my own feelings of thread abandonment! 🙂
MollyRen – Anything I can do to spread the surreal! XD
I have special spatial related powers too! 😀
But I want the MRAs to guess what they are first b/c I’m a tricky case to them xD
MWAAHHAHAHAH!
So, Kave…. that guy is basically describing a 3-day camping trip? As the solution to everything? XD
And he thinks that chopping wood is the hardest thing someone in poverty has ever done, or that killing a chicken is the cruelest, or that being cold (and indoors!) or getting sick (but then recovering!) are hardships compared to what some people go through? It’s hilarious.
Blackboc: They did fall at, “free fall” speeds, because the were in free fall when they failed.
Everything which isn’t being accelerated, “free falls”.
zhinxy: Up to Friday, I’ve read all he wrote, including the pieces which were only published in Boys Life in the late ’50s. I’ve been in the SF community since the late ’70s, I’m more than passing familiar with his works, and his personal (as opposed to apparent) philosophies. I didn’t know him, more than in passing, but I have dear friends who were close to him; which has colored my reactions to, “Heinlein believed”, esp. when based on one book (often being used to prove some point the commenter wants to be true; never mind that they were fiction, written to make the rent, and not actually arguments for anything; even when he was exploring an idea).
He’s a problematic writer, very much a product of his time(s) and his upbringing, despite his modernity, he was born in the tail end of the Victorian era, in backwater America.
But I love the forest, and the mountain even more! Although I wouldn’t kill bunnies and squirrels, because 1) they run fast, I never learned how to trap them and a rifle gun seem like cheating (also, I would probably hurt myself, which would make me less useful to society) 2) I actually don’t buy meat the rest of the year, so I’m not gonna start now.
The only result I would expect from such an experiment (throwing city people in the wild) would be a tons of food poisoning, dehydrations, weapon accidents (If they’re allowed), falling-and-breaking-ankle-and-sleeping-in-the-cold-and-lacking-of-water accidents, plus animal attack (because you attacked them) and aggression, thefts,… And I guess, in the long run, people will learn again survival skills, which will probably not help much the economy.
Poor people would still be poor, the unemployed people wouldn’t get more jobs, corporations (by which I do not mean workers) would still be filthy rich and doing their part in screwing the economy in every country.
But apart from that, it’s always funny to see some things never changed (at least haven’t in hundreds of years): every generation is considered less hard working, less courageous, etc, by the previous one.
Actually, you can see that the main parts of the towers didn’t go down at “free fall speeds”, because the debris ejected out the edges of the towers fell faster than the main parts of the towers.
Matthew Cline: That’s not quite right either. They were in free fall, but there were things in their way. What they didn’t do was fall at the speed of something which was completely severed from the ground, which is what the Truthers (at least some of them) argue.
Meller collects porcelain dolls? Stormfront and cybercuties, I was prepared for. But this porcelain doll revelation is somewhat shocking.
Bee: It’s a conundrum. The bodies are soft and fluffy, the heads are hard and smooth.
Soft/hard, fluffy/smooth, in the same thing… it’s impossible!
But he likes it.
If he had rows and rows of them all lined up staring creepily down in his bedroom would it make more sense? That’s sort of my vision of it…
Alternatively, DKM desperately wishes he were the girliest girly girl who ever girled, but refuses to follow his dreams, and all the misogynist stuff comes from his frustration over that. Which honestly seems pretty plausible too.
I picture Meller’s house as being a wonderland of doilies and Madame Alexander dolls.
Unlike the modern women we are all cursed by, you can talk to collector’s dolls, they are exceptionally beautiful, and you can give them feminine personalities. Modern women, even if they aren’t all feminists, really STINK, and you can’t do a thing with them.
Even possible problems with robogirls cited on another article, simply means that certain programming software dealing with the correct responses to received instructions from one’s owner,has to be debugged–a lengthy, time consuming, and probably expensive process–before they can be reprogrammed to be positively conditioned to respond to her owner’s instructions reliably and completely, and to behave herself! We would once again see;
Robogirls 1–Modern women-0 !!!
Go have fun with your goofy girlfriends or with your cats (if they will still have you).
Meller, just order the Real Doll already, we’ll all be happier.
What am I doing, arguing with women(?) here about 9-11, female math talent, political conspiracies in the USA, and around the world–theories and FACTS–Austrian economics, the many irreversible flaws of modern women as opposed to beautiful fluffydoll collectibles, private law and anarchism, nature of government and so on ….
They are correct, I must be nutz! Arguing with pretty kitties or bunny rabbits would make more sense. At least the pet would probably cuddle with me after I was finished. They wouldn’t know what I was talking about, but neither do manboobzers, or manboobzesses!
Mea culpa! I was trying to communicate with people far beyond their level, and encountered appropriate and inevitable feedback.
manboobzeresses, thank you!
Believe me, Meller, real women would be much happier if left them alone and stuck to playing with dolls. That way there’s none of that pesky, inconvenient humanity getting in the way of your ability to invent personalities for them.
Also, the only reason pets are willing to cuddle with you is because they don’t understand what you’re babbling about. Unfortunately real women do understand the words that you say, and that’s why they want nothing to do with you.
Do they make Furry Real Dolls? Because I think that DKM would be a much happier person if he had one. Hell, put an EZ Bake oven in its torso and it’s basically his ideal woman!
They can customize those things for you, right? I know you can get them with elf ears. Surely they could make him one that looks like a catgirl.
And sadly not even meeting their minimun level.
Have you tried writing Sarah Palin? She’s more your level.