So yesterday I quoted some random Spearheader who described women (well, white women in particular) as “complete parasitical whores roaming the landscape spreading VD like Johnny Appleseed and fucking men over.”
One reader wondered if Mr. Appleseed really went about spreading VD. So I did a little research, and it turns out that it is exceedingly unlikely that Mr. Appleseed – who actually was a real person — spread anything other than the magic of apples. And his Swedenborgian beliefs.
Why? Because Mr. Appleseed – real name John Chapman – was what these days we might call a Man Going His Own Way. Seems he didn’t have much truck with the ladies, according to one contemporary account quoted in his Wikipedia entry:
On one occasion Miss PRICE’s mother asked Johnny if he would not be a happier man, if he were settled in a home of his own, and had a family to love him. He opened his eyes very wide–they were remarkably keen, penetrating grey eyes, almost black–and replied that all women were not what they professed to be; that some of them were deceivers; and a man might not marry the amiable woman that he thought he was getting, after all.
So what led poor Mr. Appleseed to these dire thoughts about women? Apparently the underage girl he hoped to some day get with was more into dudes who weren’t him:
Now we had always heard that Johnny had loved once upon a time, and that his lady love had proven false to him. Then he said one time he saw a poor, friendless little girl, who had no one to care for her, and sent her to school, and meant to bring her up to suit himself, and when she was old enough he intended to marry her. He clothed her and watched over her; but when she was fifteen years old, he called to see her once unexpectedly, and found her sitting beside a young man, with her hand in his, listening to his silly twaddle.
That ungrateful little strumpet!
I peeped over at Johnny while he was telling this, and, young as I was, I saw his eyes grow dark as violets, and the pupils enlarge, and his voice rise up in denunciation, while his nostrils dilated and his thin lips worked with emotion. How angry he grew! He thought the girl was basely ungrateful. After that time she was no protegé of his.
But Appleseed, despite giving up on women in the real world, held out hope for the afterlife – explaining to others that he expected to have two spirit wives all his own after he died. Which I guess is the 19th century equivalent of the MGTOWers today who fantasize about the sexy robot ladies who will eventually, it is hoped, make actual human females – with their troubling “thoughts” and “needs” and “desires” of their own – obsolete.
Mr. Appleseed’s quest to remain alone was probably also helped by the fact that – if the illustration I found on Wikipedia is any indication – he looked a bit like Dale Gribble from King of the Hill. Only much, much sloppier, with long hair. Oh, and instead of wearing a baseball cap, he wore “a tin utensil which answered both as a cap and a mush pot.”
So, yeah, a creepy weirdo who hates women — definitely an MGTOWer all the way.
Oh, except that he actually did something with his life — you know, helping spread apple trees to a big portion of the midwest — instead of spending all his time going on about how all women are whores.
I picture you having a banner that says “BUY HEIRLOOM SURVIVAL SEEDS” worn around your head like a sweatband.
Also, he believes in fluoride, is an antivaxxer, and a ‘holistic medicine’ type. I’m not positive that there’s a conspiracy theory he doesn’t accept
Meller, what are your thoughts on Project Bluebeam, or chemtrails?
I’m not positive that there’s a conspiracy theory he doesn’t accept. – You do never know. Hmm.
Does HIV cause AIDS?
OOH! I GOT ONE! Was aids deliberately given to the homosexual community by the CIA as “hepatitis vaccines” in a plot to test warfare germs and eliminate the homosexual population?
This may run up against “Goverment wants us GAY vs. GAY IS DIRTY. vs. CIA did it.”
I guess I should mention that yes, Meller, I despise the CIA’s many provable “adventures in spreading democracy” and horrible actions enough. So, I have no problem saying, do many statist leftists. You don’t think any of them speak out against the School of the Americas?
Chemtrailz are real, Jaymz and Larz says so….
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I’d rather be a 9-11 “truther than a 9-11 LIAR anytime!
Besides, a government that needed an excuse to pass a “Patriot Act”, start two wars without any Congressional oversight–No, Congress voting to give George the Stupid open ended au;thority to wage war in Iraq and Afghanistan is NOT a declaration of war or any kind of Oversight–and begin turning the USSA into a Maximum Security prison under 24-hour lockdown, starting with airports, secretly arresting Moslems (even if they are US citizens) and going on secret assasination missions overseas as a matter of routine policy, all relate closely to 9-11 and its aftermath.
Rense is one of the better and more honest, well informed websites on this question, though it is not the best, and certainly not the only one.
Why you have trouble believing that it was an “inside job” is anybody guess, anyway. You have no trouble devoutly believing that, e.g. all differences between the sexes in math and science are the result of discriminatory educational policies, and different rates of inborn talent between boys and girls either don’t exist or have nothing to do with a centuries-long pattern of math superiority for males. You have no trouble beleiving that the Federal government–that has always lied about everything–tells the truth, the whole truth, and nothing but the truth about “global warming”, a cockamamie story whose promoters were caught in an act of open fraud, as reseachers in the UK were shown to be tampering with figures, suppressing contrary evidence, and intimidating other scientists! You have trouble believing that the US government lies about the crimes of 9-11, and yet you, for the most part can accept the fact that there was enormous amount of malfeasance, from LBJ on down, in the Kennedy assasinaitions–both 1963 and 1968! We truthers are “crazy” for recognising multiple layers of coverup on 9-11–are we also crazy for recognising the tremendous efforts that FDR made, without Congressional knowledge or approval, to get the USA into the war in Europe which over 80% of Americans OPPOSED! Are we crazy for remembering the Gulf of Tonkin “attack” which never happened? I could go on but I think that I have made my point.
ROTFL
They use Barium to kill the zombies???
I’m against the State, I do not “believe the federal government” about just about anything, and I can believe it would lie about pretty much anything. I don’t think the evidence is that 911 was controlled demolition. You seem to be a montage of famous conspiracy theories.
BTW – There might be some gender differences in math ability, but I don’t think we’ve had the experience to see how that shakes out without stereotype threat. And the thing is, “proved” gender differences in abilities are usually a few percentage points.
And instead of going, hmm, that’s interesting, we suddenly place all females below all males in that area. Jury is still out as far as I’m concerned, and what I’m trying to do is get the stupid stereotyping out of the way so any little boy or girl or intersex or genderqueer kid can pursue whatever area they want and let their talents flower. If it turns out more math whizzes are boys, well hey! Isn’t that interesting! It’s not a sign of some superiority. Just one of those things. That’s freedom. That’s awesome.
Adding – It isn’t “believe the official line or THIS CONSPIRACY THEORY” as a straight up choice… there’s a lot of other things you can consider in evaluating what you accept.
You’re not sure that there is a conspiracy “theory” that i don’t accept? I’m not sure that there is a single event publicised by birdcage lining and Lobotomyvision since 1914, if not 1860, that we all haven’t been lied to about ad infinitum! Indeed, there are sound arguments that the United States Constitution itself is a tissue of lies brought about by an illegal coup d’etat of bankers, lawyers, real-estate specualtors and mortgage sharks, paper-money issuers (sounds awfully familiar, doesn’t it?) to foist a central government upon Sovereign states, and people that they (the debt-pyramiding aristocracy alluded to above) could control, at the expense of real Americans! When was the last time you heard about the REAL origins of the Constitution, NOT that it can’t provide a path to the restoration of somewhat limited government today, although you would have to hive off DC–and probably Wall St.–and send them to the bottom of the Atlantic (pollution laws notwithstanding).
Show me a lie that I haven’t been told, often to the point of brainwashing, and I’ll show you a conspiracy theory–or facts–that I don’t accept!
I do not “believe the federal government” about just about anything
meant to read I do not automatically “believe the federal government”
(just as I do not automatically decide they MUST be lying about something by running to a conspiracy theory. )
I’m rather enjoying Meller’s little meltdown. Think we can make him any more apoplectic?
It must be so hard for him, living in a world where everyone is out to get him and no one listens to his screeds about how to fix all the problems that don’t actually exist.
Especially since he thinks the solution is Ron Paul. I guess he’s in good company there though – Paul seems to draw in pretty much every variety of wacko conspiracy theorist there is.
Yes, and those fine conservative groups, the ACLU and CCR, are the ones representing Awlaki…
And, lest I confuse you with NWO, let me ask, Meller, weren’t you the one that was just a little bit ago defending the creation of these legal “national security” doctrines and policies as part of the Red Scare?
Especially since he thinks the solution is Ron Paul. I guess he’s in good company there though – Paul seems to draw in pretty much every variety of wacko conspiracy theorist there is. –
And I wonder what he thinks Paul will do to fix this mess. Everything he’s said about Chairman Ron, Great Libertarian Internet Jesus seems to show a faith in the powers of the Executive Branch that basically can only be true if Ron is, indeed, A WIZARD!
Two thoughts on this:
1) There’s probably at least a few other truthers who’d accuse Meller of being a disinfo agent purposefully trying to make the truthers seem bad.
2) At least we can be glad that he isn’t one of the “holograms and energy beam weapons” truthers.
When was the last time you heard about the REAL origins of the Constitution,
Well, I, personally, talk about this a lot. I’m a libertarian. I’m not a constitutionalist. I don’t think the constitution is the path to limited government. I used to, but ah, youth. Heh. I still respect the classical liberalism and intent of many of the founders, but it’s time to move on. I’m an ANARCHIST.
I agree with Charles Johnson
http://radgeek.com/gt/2005/09/17/international_ignore/
and celebrate Ignore The Constitution Day.
Oh, and of course, the great Lysander Spooner’s classic
http://praxeology.net/LS-NT-6.htm#no.6
The Constitution of No Authority!
“Government lies” is not the same as – believe conspiracy theories galore, especially if they are anti-semitic, sexist, or otherwise reactionary.
Yes, as a matter of fact, you are stupid for thinking that FDR engineered the attack on Pearl Harbor, for thinking there’s some massive coverup of 9/11, or for your Kennedy assassination conspiracies.
Got a hard one?
As always, xkcd has all the answers:
http://xkcd.com/966/
Bagelsan – I forgot about that one (oh crap, memory altered!)
P.S. – You are a manboobz comment deity. You really are. Did you ever know that you’re my hero?
Ha, being hugely unproductive today has totally paid off, then! 😀
Bagelsan is truly the wind beneath all of our wings.
…Wait, I’m not sure that sounds entirely complimentary.
Meller, on the other hand, is the horde of bugs that keep flying at our collective windshield and making a mess all over the place.
P.S. Jeeze, Meller. Maybe Just… I dunno… I guess… watch just a few eps of Penn and Teller’s Bullshit – Moon Landing, UFO’s, 9/11… I think they play some fast and loose sometimes with environmentalism, etc, but I promise you, they’re skeptics and I swear to you they’re libertarians. There’s even plenty of incidental sexism with the pretty scantily clad chickys.
No, I don’t identify as a Skeptic with a capital S, myself, too generally agnostic about every damn thing to throw down on that side, but you could use a little visit to some debunkatory stuff.
The Skeptics Dictionary is good, too.
Empiricism and critical thinking is a really important life skill, whereever you end up.
http://www.skepdic.com/
Hmmm, how about these:
* The assassination of Archduke Franz Ferdinand of Austria was the proximate trigger of WWI.
* The German sinking of the Lusitania, plus the Zimmermann Telegram from Germany asking Mexico to go to war with the U.S., were the reasons the U.S. got involved in WWI.
* Nuclear bombs were dropped on Japan at the end of WWII.
* Humans landed on the moon in 1969.
* Smallpox was eradicated from the wild due to the use of the smallpox vaccine (though there are still samples of smallpox being held by various governments, it isn’t out in the wild).
* The South seceded from the U.S. because it wanted to protect the institution of slavery.