So yesterday I quoted some random Spearheader who described women (well, white women in particular) as “complete parasitical whores roaming the landscape spreading VD like Johnny Appleseed and fucking men over.”
One reader wondered if Mr. Appleseed really went about spreading VD. So I did a little research, and it turns out that it is exceedingly unlikely that Mr. Appleseed – who actually was a real person — spread anything other than the magic of apples. And his Swedenborgian beliefs.
Why? Because Mr. Appleseed – real name John Chapman – was what these days we might call a Man Going His Own Way. Seems he didn’t have much truck with the ladies, according to one contemporary account quoted in his Wikipedia entry:
On one occasion Miss PRICE’s mother asked Johnny if he would not be a happier man, if he were settled in a home of his own, and had a family to love him. He opened his eyes very wide–they were remarkably keen, penetrating grey eyes, almost black–and replied that all women were not what they professed to be; that some of them were deceivers; and a man might not marry the amiable woman that he thought he was getting, after all.
So what led poor Mr. Appleseed to these dire thoughts about women? Apparently the underage girl he hoped to some day get with was more into dudes who weren’t him:
Now we had always heard that Johnny had loved once upon a time, and that his lady love had proven false to him. Then he said one time he saw a poor, friendless little girl, who had no one to care for her, and sent her to school, and meant to bring her up to suit himself, and when she was old enough he intended to marry her. He clothed her and watched over her; but when she was fifteen years old, he called to see her once unexpectedly, and found her sitting beside a young man, with her hand in his, listening to his silly twaddle.
That ungrateful little strumpet!
I peeped over at Johnny while he was telling this, and, young as I was, I saw his eyes grow dark as violets, and the pupils enlarge, and his voice rise up in denunciation, while his nostrils dilated and his thin lips worked with emotion. How angry he grew! He thought the girl was basely ungrateful. After that time she was no protegé of his.
But Appleseed, despite giving up on women in the real world, held out hope for the afterlife – explaining to others that he expected to have two spirit wives all his own after he died. Which I guess is the 19th century equivalent of the MGTOWers today who fantasize about the sexy robot ladies who will eventually, it is hoped, make actual human females – with their troubling “thoughts” and “needs” and “desires” of their own – obsolete.
Mr. Appleseed’s quest to remain alone was probably also helped by the fact that – if the illustration I found on Wikipedia is any indication – he looked a bit like Dale Gribble from King of the Hill. Only much, much sloppier, with long hair. Oh, and instead of wearing a baseball cap, he wore “a tin utensil which answered both as a cap and a mush pot.”
So, yeah, a creepy weirdo who hates women — definitely an MGTOWer all the way.
Oh, except that he actually did something with his life — you know, helping spread apple trees to a big portion of the midwest — instead of spending all his time going on about how all women are whores.
If we have to become dogs I want to be a basset hound.
There is the drool factor, but what a life.
@darksidecat, yeah, “grandparents’ rights” seems like a terrible thing to make a law about – if the grandparent and the parent have a good relationship, then the grandparent will see the grandparent as much as is possible/desired, and if they don’t, there’s probably a good reason for it.
“Grandparents’ rights” comes up where the parents are abusive, and the grandparents are raising the children. The parents come and take away the kids and muck them up, and the grandparents can’t do anything to stop the parent. So far as I know, it’s only relevant where the grandparents are the carers of the children.
shaenon: zhinxy– Isn’t it enormous fun to write like that? Now we know why he does it.
IT IS!
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Holly – D’OH, forgot (dogs?), it’s always something! I even threw in fractional reserve banking!
Raincitygirl – If only others could do as you have done and embrace THE TRUTH!!!
Kave – you know the true joys of non-feminist corrupted poms! Excellent!
dsc – but gold is SHINY and you EAT rice! And yeah, grandparents rights are scary, but increasingly being lobbied for. Eek
KristinMH – Hmm, it is a pretty good life. But it’s not about us, it’s about pleasing the master. 😉
-Anybody who asked me a question on the forums –
I’m really sorry to all of you for not answering you on the forums but popping in and playing with the trolls… It’s just seriously answering serious questions about politics from reasonable and intelligent people takes more than five minute computer breaks from all the crazy stuff I’m doing, which is really more than enough time to play with trolls.
Magpie – “Grandparents’ rights” comes up where the parents are abusive, and the grandparents are raising the children. The parents come and take away the kids and muck them up, and the grandparents can’t do anything to stop the parent. So far as I know, it’s only relevant where the grandparents are the carers of the children. – That has long been the case, but now there is a push for giving grandparents visitation rights to prevent “Vindictive” parents from depriving them of access to their grandchildren, regardless of the safety of the child.
Zhinxy – Oh, I see. Would the grandparents have to show that they had a large part in the child’s life before the divorce? If the FRA mob are pushing this, I shudder to think what might happen …
That has long been the case, – Meant to say that is currently the case. I don’t know how old the laws are. But I do know that there’s increasingly a push to give grandparents custody rights seperate from the safety and well being of the children, even against the wishes of the parents.
Oh, sorry, didn’t see your response – I think that it may be a condition that they had a role in the childs life in some of the bills, but I do seem to remember that an alabama bill struck down as unconstitutional was simply about a grandparent’s right to custody unless abuse by the grandparent could be proven.
http://www.southeastsun.com/news/article_777f6462-d35a-11e0-8df8-001a4bcf6878.html
Banknotes failed precisely because they were NOT gold, or “backed by” gold in any way! The owners of the “bank” in question, under the protection of thoroughly fraudulent State statutes, allowed the banks to treat the assets of creditors (those who lent the bank money at interest for return at an agreed upon due date) and depositors (those who kept THEIR OWN money in a bank for a storage and insurance fee) as the bank’s money! The bank lent out the gold (whch was never theirs to lend out) at interest, and for a time, nobody was the wiser.
Eventually, the notes on the bad loans became due, and when they could not be retired, the note bearers came to the miscreant bank to demand specie immediately and in full!
The bankers, of course, didn’t have it! The most they could do was offer redemption at the rate of a small amount on the dollar, provoking a run on the bank as other depositors and creditors tried to get something, ANYTHING, for their savings.
The banks, in effect, were continuously allowed to pull a “Bernie Madoff” on their thousands of innocent (and soon to be defrauded) creditors and depositors, who when the time came to get their own money, were told, in effect, “april fool” and the bank was allowed to engage in paying off what was owed to their victims something like ten cents on the dollar! The bank owner (and his partners, if any) skipped town, and any further efforts at recovery were usually stymied by courts who said, much like their counterparts today, that “while it was unfortunate that so many honest people lost their life savings,there was still a compelling State interest” that there should be enough money in circulation, and the victims just had to “grin and bear it since adaquate liquidity had to be assured for the economy of the region as a whole”.
This was a case, not of gold- but the absence of gold, and any legally recognised and enforceable standard of recovery for the victims, still less the absence of any punishment for fraud, embezzlement, and counterfeiting, which would, of course, be the law for dealing with such malfeasance anywhere else, with any other business.
The more things change…!
I’ve been in the situation where the abusive parent would not let the kids see anyone on “our” side of the family. Laws can only work if they are about “Children’s Rights”, not GPs or fathers’ or mothers’ rights.
“Laws can only work if they are about “Children’s Rights”, not GPs or fathers’ or mothers’ rights. ”
Amen to that.
Thanks for the article. It sounded like the politician couldn’t imagine that grandparents could ever be bad for a child, and wanted to make a law based on that one particular case. That can only end in tears, eh. :]
<3s Zhinxy 🙂
I’m enjoying how Meller is forced to be reasonable and calm now that his position as “only Libertarian in the universe” is in severe jeopardy and he can’t just hide behind “I’m A LIBERTARIAN AND YOU DON’T UNDERSTAND”, he actually has to try to argue his points xD
*sits back and eats feminist popcorn* or is that pomcorn? o:
Rice (to use your example) may be useful as a type of “money” in certain instances, but it has problems!
Doesn’t rice become less usable over time? I think that a month old bag of rice has greater value than a year old one. Gold retains its value over thousands of years!
Rice has too many attractive alternative uses. Do you save money(rice) for next month’s rent, or do you have supper today? Gold’s value is at least due to the fact that it may be exchanged for food, but it isn’t food itself. Gold has some usefulness as jewelry, and (I believe) some exotic scientific and industrial uses, but it is primarily a monetary metal.
What about rats, mice, cockroaches, etc.? I somehow don’t think that having a family’s savings consumed by uninvited guest critters is any enhancement to human prosperity, regardless of what PETA and other animal rights people say!
Gold is easily concealable; rice isn’t! Wouldn’t a good crop attract every thief, swindler, highwayman, and tax collector this side of hell with their depredations rapidly resulting in famine for the population at large?
Rice as money? Interesting from a historic and anthropological standpoint, but even the tokugawa shogunate could do better, and did.
POMCORN sounds both scary and awesome… But yes, we shall name it pomcorn, for the kernels are tasty and FLUFFY!!!!
*passes out the pomcorn*
The value of gold is almost as socially constructed, and actually much more unpredictably flexible, as the value of fiat money.
If you really think every fiat currency is going to collapse, stockpile practical commodities. No one’s going to want your shiny yellow rocks if the world has gone to hell.
However GREEN rocks are different! If society collapses, the ability to repel Superman will be ridic valuable. xD
Actually, forget gold, or paper money, or poms or Ami’s special XD symbols… I thought the monetary standard of the world was vaginas xD
Now I’m confused…
Holly, don’t you know to listen to all the companies that sell gold to survivalists, and to heed them telling you only gold will be salient, only gold will save you, and your dollars will be asswipes at best, and SOON! They’re right. And HOW CAN YOU NOT TRUST THEM! Because here they are, giving you their stockpile of gold, for your soon-to-be worthless paper money. Such charitable individuals MUST be heeded!
(note, zhinxy really, truly does not actually like government paper money, but Jesus Christ on a pogo stick…)
Zhinxy, that’s only cuz your government paper money is boring xD If you’re gonna have paper money you should at least have it like Canada where we have fun colours and hockey poems on it and stuff! 😀
Or Australia where it’s indestructible and it’s gonna still be there after the entire human race is wiped out xD
Ami – yeah, it’s indestructible, but it’s hopeless for origami 😉
However GREEN rocks are different! If society collapses, the ability to repel Superman will be ridic valuable. xD
The War of Luthorian Agression, the Superman loyalists called the great battle that came after “The End…”
Ami – BUT YOU DON’T HAVE DOLLAR BILLS! YOU HAVE COINS! WITH LOONS! YOU HAVE LOONS ON YOUR COINS!
I’ve heard about the bizarre resilience of australian money, and therefore conclude it’s made out of PEOPLE! and diamonds!
(1) When? Where? Then what happened? Without citations, all this is is factoid soup.
(2) Even assuming that your never nver land has hung out with a fact at some point in its life, this scenario presupposes a context in which gold already was the culturally-decided medium of exchange, right? You’re begging the question.