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Johnny Appleseed: A Man Going His Own Way?

How do you like them apples?

So yesterday I quoted some random Spearheader who described women (well, white women in particular) as “complete parasitical whores roaming the landscape spreading VD like Johnny Appleseed and fucking men over.”

One reader wondered if Mr. Appleseed really went about spreading VD. So I did a little research, and it turns out that it is exceedingly unlikely that Mr. Appleseed – who actually was a real person — spread anything other than the magic of apples. And his Swedenborgian beliefs.

Why? Because Mr. Appleseed – real name John Chapman – was what these days we might call a Man Going His Own Way. Seems he didn’t have much truck with the ladies, according to one contemporary account quoted in his Wikipedia entry:

On one occasion Miss PRICE’s mother asked Johnny if he would not be a happier man, if he were settled in a home of his own, and had a family to love him. He opened his eyes very wide–they were remarkably keen, penetrating grey eyes, almost black–and replied that all women were not what they professed to be; that some of them were deceivers; and a man might not marry the amiable woman that he thought he was getting, after all.

So what led poor Mr. Appleseed to these dire thoughts about women? Apparently the underage girl he hoped to some day get with was more into dudes who weren’t him:

Now we had always heard that Johnny had loved once upon a time, and that his lady love had proven false to him. Then he said one time he saw a poor, friendless little girl, who had no one to care for her, and sent her to school, and meant to bring her up to suit himself, and when she was old enough he intended to marry her. He clothed her and watched over her; but when she was fifteen years old, he called to see her once unexpectedly, and found her sitting beside a young man, with her hand in his, listening to his silly twaddle.

That ungrateful little strumpet!

I peeped over at Johnny while he was telling this, and, young as I was, I saw his eyes grow dark as violets, and the pupils enlarge, and his voice rise up in denunciation, while his nostrils dilated and his thin lips worked with emotion. How angry he grew! He thought the girl was basely ungrateful. After that time she was no protegé of his.

But Appleseed, despite giving up on women in the real world, held out hope for the afterlife – explaining to others that he expected to have two spirit wives all his own after he died. Which I guess is the 19th century equivalent of the MGTOWers today who fantasize about the sexy robot ladies who will eventually, it is hoped, make actual human females – with their troubling “thoughts” and “needs” and “desires” of their own – obsolete.

Mr. Appleseed’s quest to remain alone was probably also helped by the fact that – if the illustration I found on Wikipedia is any indication – he looked a bit like Dale Gribble from King of the Hill. Only much, much sloppier, with long hair. Oh, and instead of wearing a baseball cap, he wore “a tin utensil which answered both as a cap and a mush pot.”

So, yeah, a creepy weirdo who hates women — definitely an MGTOWer all the way.

Oh, except that he actually did something with his life — you know, helping spread apple trees to a big portion of the midwest — instead of spending all his time going on about how all women are whores.

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hellkell
hellkell
8 years ago

Tell me, Mellertoad, did a woman fire you or take your job? Sounds like it.

No, I can’t speak for everyone here, but I don’t feel silly making remarks about you. You should feel silly making the remarks you make.

Dracula
Dracula
8 years ago

I would CHERISH a sweet, old fashioned, ‘hellokitty’ type of woman! There is nothing about me that she would, or could find me “offputting” or terrifying”!

That’s because she’s PRETEND, Mr. Meller. Of course the sort of women you want aren’t afraid of you. You MADE THEM UP.

katz
8 years ago

For the powder to blow all of you to hell, a lot of men would happily throw all of you over-educated, castrating modern women onto street corners with little tin cups, and get all the jobs you feminists stole from us through affirmative action and hiring and promotion quotas back where they belong!

And then we’ll build our own treehouse and it will be way awesomer and we will never let girls into it ever and then you’ll be sorry!

Wetherby
Wetherby
8 years ago

DKM, as if you couldn’t guess:

Do I see just a wee bit of old-fashioned jealousy and envy from the feminists puking up the internet here? Do I see an envious green eyed monster? Is there a kind of creeping awareness (or creepy awareness) in the case of youall, that those Hello Kitty dolls and fluffies (stuffed animals) are far prettier, more cuddlesome,and more alluring to the male of the species (in the absence of REAL women) than any of you modern women(?)—shrikes, harpies, and FEMINISTS lot of you!!

As it happens, I live in a house occupied both by real flesh-and-blood women and by a rather greater number of Hello Kitty dolls and sundry other soft toy animals. I have to say, in the ten years or so that we’ve been living together, I’ve never once felt tempted to kick my wife out of our bed and replace her with my daughter’s cuddly toys. And even when said daughter wakes us up by hitting us with one of them, I don’t look at it and think “Is that what I’ve been missing all these years?”

Your feminist babble that men are “afraid” of “strong women”. We are NOT afraid of you, we are DISGUSTED with all of you!! For the powder to blow all of you to hell, a lot of men would happily throw all of you over-educated, castrating modern women onto street corners with little tin cups, and get all the jobs you feminists stole from us through affirmative action and hiring and promotion quotas back where they belong!

I’m not remotely afraid of strong women. I’m married to one, very much hope I’m bringing up another, and we all give as good as we get when it comes to getting our opinion across. If I say something stupid, they’ll call me out on it – and of course vice versa. That’s the kind of environment I grew up in, and one in which I’m very happy to stay – the notion that anyone deserves more respect just because they have a penis is so self-evidently ludicrous that I’m amazed that you can continue to peddle it with a straight face.

Don’t all of you feel just plain silly making such remarks about me now??

Let me think about that for a millisecond…. nope, can’t say I do.

Amused
8 years ago

I would CHERISH a sweet, old fashioned, ‘hellokitty’ type of woman!

Oh, you’d cherish her until she’s 25, and then what? Mandatory cancer? Or will your perfect society have a system in place for exterminating women who are too old to dress like children, so you may get yourself another? Because, seriously, “Hello Kitty”? Until what age can a woman be “Hello Kitty”-themed?

Also: putting “old-fashioned” and “hellokitty” in the same sentence is wild indeed. “Hello Kitty” originated in the mid-1970’s. The culture of infantilizing women in the “Hello Kitty” style and a cult of the teenager dates from about the 1950’s. Before then, adolescent and teenage girls were expected to dress like grown women.

ithiliana
8 years ago

@DKM: Don’t all of you feel just plain silly making such remarks about me now??

Nope.

Feeling quite vindicated by further evidence supporting community evaluation of your misogyny.

David K. Meller
David K. Meller
8 years ago

Amused

You are indeed largely correct that there is an unfortunate infantalizing of glamour and women in postfeminist society. Modern women, with their unisex, androgyny, and just plain ugliness, have made any attempts to please men anathema to women and fashion!

Heaven forbid that women look like “sex objects”! Just look at the posts from manboobzettes at the thought that fashion or couture can actually enhance a ladylike beauty and sleek, adorable femininity. Before hello Kitty, teenage girls were expected to–and took pride in–dressing like grown women, and grown women were expected to dress like attactive ladies, NOT something that crawled out of the nearest sewer!

I said that in a more normal world, I would be happy to admire and love a more standard woman, but what we have had since the fifties (if not since c.1890’s) is repellent and ridiculous! Hello Kitty isn’t perfect, but she IS dainty, feminine, and lovable, and she, like perhaps sweet old fashioned ‘Madame Alexander” collectable dolls (little lady lovelies) will do until more of you women recover some sanity, and men can endure your presence again!!

Wetherby
Wetherby
8 years ago

Hello Kitty isn’t perfect, but she IS dainty, feminine, and lovable, and she, like perhaps sweet old fashioned ‘Madame Alexander” collectable dolls (little lady lovelies) will do until more of you women recover some sanity, and men can endure your presence again!!

DKM, you are categorically not speaking for me, or indeed for any other man I know in real life. And the women in my life dress to please themselves, and are more than entitled to do so.

Molly Ren
8 years ago

“You are indeed largely correct that there is an unfortunate infantalizing of glamour and women in postfeminist society. Modern women, with their unisex, androgyny, and just plain ugliness, have made any attempts to please men anathema to women and fashion!”

Sometimes I wonder what the eff DKM is reading all day. Are the women of Vogue unisex? How about Cosmo? I can’t remember the last time I saw a movie or a TV show when someone was obviously queer, nevermind a female lead with short hair and grey coveralls.

hellkell
hellkell
8 years ago

I knew it was Madame Alexander dolls for him!

Nobinayamu
Nobinayamu
8 years ago

I…

Well, there are people -men and women- who are genuinely, sexually attracted to stuffed animals, Meller-toad. There are also people who find themselves romantically and sexually attracted to inanimate objects; object sexuality… paraphalia. I’m not judging you… not for your attraction to dolls and Hello Kitty, at any rate.

I do think, however, that it’s quite the stretch to suggest that stuffed animals, china dolls, and a cartoon kitty with no mouth,

are far prettier, more cuddlesome,and more alluring to the male of the species (in the absence of REAL women) than any of you modern women(?)—shrikes, harpies, and FEMINISTS lot of you!!

Now, certainly I mantain that you are vile and disgusting wind-bag, barely able to maintain the pretense of being human. You are a bloviating, Meller-toad and that’s clear to all who care to look. But when you write things like this you only reveal -more fully- that you have a near total lack of real world contact with other human beings, regardless of their gender. If I didn’t find you so completely repulsive and utterly deserving, it might be a litle sad.

You think that men, even men who might prefer a more traditional wife, find the Hello Kitty doll more alluring than a woman with a job and an education. The jokes write themselves. I can’t even..

Meller-toad? When was the last time you had a friend in your house for dinner?

Dracula
Dracula
8 years ago

But, but, Molly Ren! Some of those horrible t.v. women wear…pants!

*swoons*

David K. Meller
David K. Meller
8 years ago

Weatherby–More’s the pity! Modern women hate YOU and other renegade men even MORE than they hate me and traditional men. Just wait a few more years, or when she feels she can get rid of you.

Look at some stories in http://www.the-Spearhead.com about men and divorce for example. These men each loved their wives just as much as you love yours, and got roasted alive–and often lost their children to boot–when Ms. Modernwoman gets bored, blames hubby (and sometimes children) for her married life and uses YOUR money to enrich some divorce lawyer–and you can take it from there…!

A word to the wise!

Bagelsan
Bagelsan
8 years ago

But, but, Molly Ren! Some of those horrible t.v. women wear…pants!

*swoons*

Omg, poor Dracula saw woman ankles and passed out! The Victorians were right all along! ;D

I’m actually a big fan of skirts, myself, but they’re impractical for working in a lab all day so I usually stick with jeans. And in the winter I let my legs grow out a very luxurious pelt, so wearing pants means I don’t have to bother either with shaving or with attacking all bystanders with eeeevil leg hair (because I’ve seen enough hentai to know where that is going!)

Bagelsan
Bagelsan
8 years ago

These men each loved their wives just as much as you love yours

I’m officially insulted on Wetherby’s behalf, now. Ick.

David K. Meller
David K. Meller
8 years ago

Nobinayamu-

As far as toads go, it takes one to know one! I think I may be striking a bit close to home, aren’t I, Ms. ubershrike??

You wouldn’t find the need to insult me unless there was something to my observation of the utter lack of femininity and allure to the modern woman, would you (and the rest of the manboobz sisterhood from hell)? Maybe I am finally uncovering something of importance about feminists that you would rather keep hidden, or even better, alerting other men, and the women who love us, that something better exists than you wretched modern women!

And to you, Ms. ubershrike,

Bedsores and loneliness!!

Boy, it felt good to write that for a change!

Kyrie
Kyrie
8 years ago

Everything you say about women is insulting, Meller. If someone insults you back, that does not mean you are a genius who found feminism weakness, just that you’re a pain in the ass.

Also, your opinion on female beauty still isn’t the standard and you’re still not allowed to speak on behalf of all men.

David K. Meller
David K. Meller
8 years ago

No, Kyrie, not everything that I say about women is insulting. Even when I attempt to write posts praising women, or saying good things about them, youall still find reasons to attack them. Nothing that i say makes the slightest bit of difference, even when I attempt to cite points where, if I don’t or can’t agree with feminism, I don’t disagree with it that strongly either.

Quite a number of times I have looked for common ground, and come out with empty pockets. Sooner or later I just gave up, and figure that even if common ground exists, it offeres nothing to me. My feelings about women, by and large, are positive, and only feminist extremism is a turnoff to me.

i am not speaking for other men, but I am not going to have someone victimized by modern women if I can help it, even if he is a renegade male for the time being.

Nobinayamu
Nobinayamu
8 years ago

Oh, Meller-toad. Your repulsiveness is only exacerbated by your lack of originality.

As far as toads go, it takes one to know one! I think I may be striking a bit close to home, aren’t I, Ms. ubershrike??

In what regard? The fact that you’ve proven yourself even more deeply disturbed than most posters here had originally presumed because you literally believe that there are many men like you? You are so disconnected from reality that you believe that most men would prefer to talk to dolls (and possibly masturbate to their stillness and glass eyes; again, no judgment) than have romantic and sexual relationships with women who possess levels of education and employment of which you disapprove.

Like I said, Meller-toad, the jokes write themselves. I’m not insulting you for being into dolls. I’m pointing it out; I’m mocking you a bit. But insulting you? Certainly not. Why would I? You told a woman who lost a friend and colleague to murder that the victim probably deserved it for being obnoxious. That’s the sort of person you are.

Jerking off to Hello Kitty is probably the least offensive thing about you.

You keep enjoying your impotent rage and anticipating your imminent dotage. Your dolls will be sold on craig’s list. And, if there’s any justice, some little girl who would have rather had a chemistry set will gouge out their fake eyes and cut off their hair, and demand a toy that’s fun and interactive.

You enjoy all of that lonely, Meller. It suits you.

Bedsores and loneliness with 5 exclamation points!!!!!

Nobinayamu – venomous harpy

Kyrie
Kyrie
8 years ago

No, Kyrie, not everything that I say about women is insulting. Even when I attempt to write posts praising women, or saying good things about them, youall still find reasons to attack them.

The fact that you don’t realize that you say offensive things does not make you less responsible for saying them. Especially if that is a repeated behavior. Anyway my point still stand, you insult people (ok, maybe *just* most of the time) and people call you names.
Still not a genius, but feel free to show our kryptonite to the whole world.

Kyrie
Kyrie
8 years ago

No, Kyrie, not everything that I say about women is insulting. Even when I attempt to write posts praising women, or saying good things about them, youall still find reasons to attack them.

The fact that you don’t realize that you say offensive things does not make you less responsible for saying them. Especially if that is a repeated behavior. Anyway my point still stand, you insult people (ok, maybe *just* most of the time) and people call you names.
Still not a genius, but feel free to show our kryptonite to the whole world.

Bagelsan
Bagelsan
8 years ago

DKM’s calling feminists ugly? Oh noes! He’s discovered our totally original and not at all cliched secret weakness!! I’m meeeeelting–!!! (Next he’s gonna say we’re all lesbians! And we have hairy legs!! How does he knooooow???)

hellkell
hellkell
8 years ago

Mellertoad, do you always try to find common ground by laughing at cancer patients and murder victims? If so, you must be a real hit at parties.

Wetherby
Wetherby
8 years ago

Weatherby–More’s the pity! Modern women hate YOU and other renegade men even MORE than they hate me and traditional men.

No they don’t. Unless I consort with actresses so brilliant that they’re wasted in their present jobs.

Just wait a few more years, or when she feels she can get rid of you. Look at some stories in http://www.the-Spearhead.com about men and divorce for example. These men each loved their wives just as much as you love yours, and got roasted alive–and often lost their children to boot–when Ms. Modernwoman gets bored, blames hubby (and sometimes children) for her married life and uses YOUR money to enrich some divorce lawyer–and you can take it from there…!

Well, aside from the fact that she’s the majority earner in our household so it would mostly be HER money (and I get legal advice free in any case, thanks to a well-placed close relative), why do you think these women have been getting bored?

I suspect in a large number of cases it’s because their husbands or ex-husbands think that throwing money and/or gifts at them is an acceptable substitute for having a proper human relationship. Obviously, I can’t say that it’s impossible, but I think it’s extraordinarily unlikely that the same thing will happen to my marriage because of the crucial difference that my wife is also my best friend.

Less than ten minutes ago we both got a simultaneous fit of the giggles at the phrase “antique floral knob” on a website she was reading. Over ten years since we met, we still phone and email regularly during the day, usually about some trivial gossip that simply can’t wait. We still quite literally fancy the pants off each other, and the chances of either of us having an affair are best answered by the famous Paul Newman quip “why go out for a hamburger when you have steak at home?”

Now can any of these people on The Spearhead honestly say that their marriage was like this right up to the point of the big break-up? The mere fact that they’re associated with that site suggests otherwise.

David K. Meller
David K. Meller
8 years ago

Both were regrettable excesses in unusual circumstances. I wanted to show youall what laughing at victims of mutilaiton and castration felt like, and cancer was the closest example that presented itself, and I unfortunately attacked the victim of an attack by a ex-husband who was apparantly deranged by the divorce and child custody system, even though the victime did not deserve it in her particular case.

I genuinely apologise for that! However, don’t forget, it is certainly frequent that men ARE deprived of access to their children by vindictive and spiteful ex-wives, aided and abetted by a corrupt and vicious familly court system.

i was absolutely wrong in that one particular case, but it remains a fact that countless husbands and fathers are legally “raped” by the family courts, social workers, and marriage counselors in America today, and an even more dismal fact that such a gruesome state of affairs is aided and abetted by feminist lawyeresses, social workers, judges, and other evildoers who benefit from the spiriling upward of divorce and broken homes.

I’m sorry about what I did in those two cases, but my outrage at a system that injures families generally and men in particular should make it understandable if not excusable.

hellkell
hellkell
8 years ago

It’s neither excusable nor understandable. Just the fact that you say “did not deserve it in her particular case” proves you think there ARE cases which merit violence against women. You’ve admitted as much above. What kind of empathetic person does that?

Having to pay child support does not equal rape. Not in this reality. Shame on you.

Which means you’re a revolting excuse for a human being. You deserve your dolls as your only audience and every drop of loneliness you get.

You’re going to blame your rage? Fuck you.

PosterformerlyknownasElizabeth

It does not though-because while there are some injustices in the court system, most of the men whining about them are not candidates for Father of the Year. On the contrary, most of them tend to view children as either extensions of themselves, ways to hurt their ex-wives and annoying money pits.

David K. Meller
David K. Meller
8 years ago

Molly Ren–November 21,2011 @2:07pm

As far as fashion and couture go, i agree that unisex and androgyny, at least not in the usual feminist sense, is NOT the word to describe the modern women in mags like vogue and cosmo. However, there is a certain hardness and brittleness about them that a traditional man finds most displeasing and unfeminine! i don’t even know what it is! You would almost call it “robotic’ in the least flattering sense of the word…

They are incapable of smiling, and when they walk, they walk as just about as much like men as they do like women. No wiggle,no flow, no graceful quality at all; if they don’t exactly march like soldiers or somethng like that down the model’s runway, they certainly don’t, and probably cna’t, show a lady’s natural grace and sleekness in their walking carriage nor in their clothes, even if her clothing worn has a superficial femininity!

I don’t like always criticizing women–or anyone! But I feel that I–and perhaps other men, as well, am being pushed into, if not almost forced into, accepting something that is an ersatz, inferior brand of womanhood, as opposed to the sweet old fashioned girl that I think we are entitled to!

Nobinayamu
Nobinayamu
8 years ago

Your mask, flimsy though it was, slipped Meller-toad. Please don’t bother trying to hastily put it back in place and pretend we didn’t all get a good look at slimy, monster beneath.

Your apology means less than nothing.

hellkell
hellkell
8 years ago

Meller, there’s your problem: you’re not entitled to anything in this life. Sad, but true.

Wetherby
Wetherby
8 years ago

They are incapable of smiling,

I suspect they’re perfectly capable of smiling, and that your objection is that they don’t smile at you. But why on earth should they?

I don’t like always criticizing women–or anyone! But I feel that I–and perhaps other men, as well, am being pushed into, if not almost forced into, accepting something that is an ersatz, inferior brand of womanhood, as opposed to the sweet old fashioned girl that I think we are entitled to!

You’re not entitled to anything, least of all another human being.

CassandraSays
CassandraSays
8 years ago

“Is there a kind of creeping awareness (or creepy awareness) in the case of youall, that those Hello Kitty dolls and fluffies (stuffed animals) are far prettier, more cuddlesome,and more alluring to the male of the species (in the absence of REAL women) than any of you modern women(?)—shrikes, harpies, and FEMINISTS lot of you!!”

Um, Meller? It’s generally not men who are keeping the Great Ship Sanrio afloat. Hello Kitty sells mainly to little girls, and to adult women who loved it as little girls, as it was created to do. Most men do not share your affection for dolls.

“Don’t all of you feel just plain silly making such remarks about me now??

Nope. Actually I’m very amused to see that you really do want to marry a plushie toy created to delight small children – it’s very revealing as to which specific developmental stage you got stuck in as a child.

Now I kind of want to introduce Meller to an actual lolita, to see how long it takes her to lose her temper and hit him with her frilly handbag.

I rather like Wetherby, by the way. I’d imagine his wife is quite fond of him too. Those women who supposedly love men like you, though…where are they? You keep insisting that they exist, but I’ve yet to see any proof of that. (You know that your collectible dolls don’t count as women, right?)

Also, I think you missed the point I was making. So, to reitterate – you want a soft fluffy type of woman? Be more Hello Kitty-like yourself, and less of a shrieking rage-monster. Take an example from the man whose collaboration with Sanrio I posted above – he’s pretty damn cute and fluffy, and sweet cutesy women certainly seem to love him.

You, however, they do not like. There are no real women who like you, only dolls. This is why you are so angry at the world. Do you really think we haven’t all figured that out by now?

Bagelsan
Bagelsan
8 years ago

“antique floral knob”

What is… DKM’s dick? (Are we playing Jeopardy?)

CassandraSays
CassandraSays
8 years ago

Is anyone else now imagining Meller finding a lone, lost woman in the woods, kidnapping her, forcibly dressing her in a frilly dress and bunny ears, and then sticking her on the shelf with all this other dolls? I’m not sure he’s capable of recognising the difference between a real life woman and a doll.

pecunium
8 years ago

Meller asked: Don’t all of you feel just plain silly making such remarks about me now??

Nope.

No, Kyrie, not everything that I say about women is insulting. Even when I attempt to write posts praising women, or saying good things about them, youall still find reasons to attack them.

Again, not using “four letter words” isn’t restraint from rudeness. You have never said anything here which wasn’t intented to insult the women on this board. You don’t even consider them women.

Which may be for the best, since your opinion of women (and how to treat them) is worse than the present law allows for horses and dogs.

Both were regrettable excesses in unusual circumstances.

No, they weren’t. You have as with this post, never said, “I was wrong, such things are beyond the pale, and I am sorry I uttered them.”

No, rather you excuse them, and try to paper them over. You have not recanted word one of what you said. Like a four year old you persist in saying, “Johnny hit me me first!!!!!” as if that makes it acceptable for you to hit him.

So there is no reason to believe you didn’t mean it when you said, nor that you don’t believe it now. You just don’t like it being repeated, so that new people will be shown the inner beast that is Meller.

zhinxy
8 years ago

Meller, are you still leaning in the direction of “LIBERTARIAN DEBAAAAAAATE?” I’m thinking January would be good, if you are.

David K. Meller
David K. Meller
8 years ago

I told you in a previous post that I am leaning favorably in that direction. As long as we aren’t distracted by background noise from manboobzers and manboobzeresses, there is nothing wrong with it that I can see.

Let’s see what happens!

David K. Meller
David K. Meller
8 years ago

hellkell–I, and other men (along with any women who love us) certainly ARE entitled to regain what was stolen from us, by feminists, their stooges in the media, and their masters in the NWO and sundry globalists/corporate mafias like the Bilderburg group, Trilateral commission, Skull&Bones, and the rest of the criminal elements in our society!

They stole traditional gender identity roles from us, through their control of the schools and universities, the newsmedia, and the courts, and we are entitled to try to get them back!

C’mon, hellkell, you really didn’t think that you feminists, acting by yourselves, could do this in less than a lifetime, did you?

KathleenB
KathleenB
8 years ago

Meller: Take a xanax and calm the fuck down. Do you really think a massive global conspiracy could take over the entire world without anyone reputable noticing? Do you think such a conspiracy could last longer than ten minutes before factional infighting started, dooming it to failure before it even got off the ground?

KathleenB
KathleenB
8 years ago

Meller: Also – you’re mixing up your own feelings with those of everyone else. I’ve not seen a poll or study, but I’d be willing to bet that most (90%+) men do not feel that their gender identity has been stolen, by schools or courts.

David K. Meller
David K. Meller
8 years ago

CassandraSays–November21,2011 @ 9:55pm

Haven’t you read any number of my numerous posts? I repeatedly said that any sort of coercion, force, or fear inflicted upon women (or pets, for that matter) is counterproductive, and would never produce the desired results. I would no more “kidnap a girl, take her home, forcibly (???) dress her in a frilly dress, and bunny ears, and stick her on a shelf with my other dolls” than I would boil water in the refrigerator or than I would sweeten my coffee with ground black pepper! I know that you, along with other manboobzettes, think of me as something of a lunatic, but even I am not THAT crazy!

Cassandra, the only way to dominate a woman ( or a pet, for that matter) successfully is with love. You must get her to want to please you! You must get her to trust you, and see you as her protector and her advocate, NOT an attacker, rapist, or oppressor! The drivel that some posters critical of me, like darksidecat or Pecunium scribble on manboobz here don’t understand this. Save such nonsense like “kidnapping” for posters who don’t know any better–although I certainly tried my best to communicate this common sense to them as well as to you, with no results!

Kidnap a woman? FORCE her into a frilly dress? Turn her into a human ‘doll’? Absurd! That would be both cruel and stupid, and do absolutely nothing for either of us! I want her to LOVE me, not hate and detest me!

KathleenB
KathleenB
8 years ago

Meller: Treating a woman like she’s your exclusive property (which you’ve told us all repeatedly is how we should act toward the men in our lives) is NOT the way to get a woman to love you. If she happens to be a sub and wants to negotiate some sort of scene with you, have fun! But assuming we’re all into total submission – ‘loving’ or not – is rude and insulting.

red_locker
8 years ago

“Is anyone else now imagining Meller finding a lone, lost woman in the woods, kidnapping her, forcibly dressing her in a frilly dress and bunny ears, and then sticking her on the shelf with all this other dolls? I’m not sure he’s capable of recognising the difference between a real life woman and a doll.”

Actually, that was the premise of an entire episode of Criminal Minds.

It’s just as disturbing as you can imagine.

CassandraSays
CassandraSays
8 years ago

I’ve read your comments, Meller. I just don’t believe you. You’re far too angry to react well when your attempts to dominate through love don’t work, as they inevitably will not in your case.

You have slipped and revealed your true character too many times for anyone to believe that you’re capable of gentleness or love towards women, old man. We do think you’re a lunatic, and it’s entirely a result of the things that you yourself have said, over and over again.

CassandraSays
CassandraSays
8 years ago

Meller, I wonder if you’re aware how obvious the true cause of your grievances is to another domme. You are very, very angry because you have not been able to find a suitable submissive who’s willing to play the role that you’d like her to play. Part of this is because your expectations are unrealistic and your connection to reality tenuous, but I’m willing to bet that part of it is also due to the fact that you’re just not a very good dominant. You certainly don’t exude any sense of authority. Why should anyone want to submit to you? And even if someone was willing you clearly don’t have the first clue how to go about actually establishing a functional Dom/sub relationshoip.

Basically you fantasize about forcing a complete overhaul of society in order to compensate for your own inability to find a submissive who suits your needs. Since you’re clearly incapable of creating the relationship that you want for yourself, you want to make the rest of society do it for you (and you call this libertarianism, just for extra hilarity).

That is just about the most pathetic thing that I’ve ever seen on the Internet. You really need to stop expecting society to reinvent itself in order to compensate for your personal failings. Plenty of dominant men are able to find loving partners who suit them very well. The fact that you are not is entirely your own problem.

hellkell
hellkell
8 years ago

Sorry, Meller, you’re still wrong–you’re not entitled to a damn thing. Especially when no one stole anything from you, you fucking dinosaur.

Hope you and the dolls had a lovely Thanksgiving.

darksidecat
8 years ago

“But…but…but,” Meller interjects sulkily, “I am claiming I will be nice to my slaves, why are all you subhumans still complaining?”

zhinxy
8 years ago

“I told you in a previous post that I am leaning favorably in that direction. As long as we aren’t distracted by background noise from manboobzers and manboobzeresses, there is nothing wrong with it that I can see.

Let’s see what happens!”

Nope! no background noise whatsoever, just you vs. me. There’ll be seperate comments threads for non-libertarians and libertarians to weigh in. But nobody gets to interrupt us. Fight to the finish, whatever the finish is.

pecunium
8 years ago

Meller: No one is entitled to have someone act the way they want them too. One is entitled to not be forced to act in ways one doesn’t care for.

You, think women shoul be coerced (at the very least socially) to fulfill your fantasies. You think they should be denied opportunities equal to men.

So you are not, actually, a libertarian. You don’t believe everyone is equal, and you don’t believe all should have the same level of liberty.

Your problem is that what you say is clear, and plain, to the meanest understanding, and what you bleat about not using physical methods does nothing to dispute your desire for coercion, and inequality.

Why is it so many people see the same thread of authoritarian brutality in the system you advocate? Perhaps the problem isn’t them, but that you really are saying those things.

To ask the question is to answer it.

Pecunium
8 years ago

I have to do it.

1,000.

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