So some MRAs are rallying around Herman Cain – not in spite of the sexual harassment allegations against him, but because of them.
On The Spearhead, W. R. Price notes that Cain has gotten a flood of new donations since the scandal broke. His conclusion:
The support for the conservative candidate suggests that the decades-old trend of male helplessness in the face of female accusations may be coming to an end.
Other Spearheaders are a bit more blunt:
It is refreshing to see a man (politician or otherwise) in the spotlight stand up and defend himself against a P.C. hatchet-job such as “sexual harrassment” when so many before him did the whiney-baby kiss-up “I was wrong” pandering while bowing before the golden hoochie.
Meanwhile, white and nerdy on Omega Virgin Revolt (yes, that’s a real blog) has actually put his money where his mouth is, sending along a donation to Cain.
I usually don’t bother with voting. Everyone running for most offices is either a liberal feminist or a conservative feminist. To me that is no difference. However, if Herman Cain is still in the running by the time my state’s primary happens (and if he is the Republican nominee) I will vote for him.
Herman Cain is now dealing with at least three women who are claiming that he sexually harassed them. Public figures who were accused of sexual harassment in the past didn’t take on their accusers directly, but Herman Cain did. He pointed out how what is happening to him is a false accusation. As a result of this Cain has received hundreds of thousands of dollars in donations in the last few days. One of those donations was my donation.
This may not seem like much, but this small act as made Cain more anti-feminist than all of the other candidates for president.
Notice that in white and nerdy’s version of the controversy, Cain has “pointed out” that he’s being falsely accused. Actually, what Cain has done is to deny that he harassed anyone. At this point, we don’t actually know enough to judge definitively whether the allegations are true — though the fact that the National Restaurant Association paid out tens of thousands of dollars to settle the cases makes me a bit skeptical of Cain’s denials. But apparently, in W&N’s brain, there’s not even a chance he’s guilty of anything other than standing up to the dirty feminazis.
One of the commenters on Omega Virgin Revolt is even more enthusiastic about Cain than the blogger himself. Jack writes:
If Cain becomes president, we might actually see an end to the incessant pandering to women by the mindless political class. It’s about time that a politician stood up and declared that women have responsibilities in life and are not entitled to a free ride. Cain might actually do that.
Over on Reddit, meanwhile, OffensiveBrute doesn’t defend Cain so much as he defends not giving a shit about sexual harassment:
I say even if Cain is guilty, who the hell cares? Sexual harassment is illegal, but not immoral. well not the kind that Cain is accused of anyway.
Skooma714 offers a similar take:
He didn’t even touch them. They probably hear shit like that on the DC Metro everyday.
They probably are over it. They want to get some paper and attention.
And, yes, both of these comments garnered some upvotes.
Of course, not every MRA out there is rallying around Cain. On Reddit, there are plenty of MRAs who are suspending judgment on the allegations, or who dislike Cain because he’s, you know, a right wing asshole. Over on The Spearhead, the only ones who seem to have an issue with Cain are those who, well, let’s just say that they probably also think burning crosses make great lawn decorations:
Black men are notorious for their sexual escapades, their testosterone being greater than that of White Men – as is their level of rape accusation. He may be innocent but he may just as well be guilty of a real indescretion.
I am happy to report that this comment got a lot of downvotes there; not every Spearheader is a raving Stormfronter. Of course, it says something about the general political and social backwardness of the site that those Spearheaders who are defending Cain from the crudest Klan-tastic racist attacks are doing so basically because they think he’s a credit to his race:
If the Blacks in America were like Herman Cain, this country would be measurably better for it and most of us would be hating on someone else.
But don’t worry: On The Spearhead they can still all agree on one central point – that women are evil, lying whores. As Keyster put it, in one of the most-highly upvoted comments in the thread:
What this indicates is that people are fed up with political correctness and the feminist/sexual grievance industry. …
In the new Femocracy you can’t date them, you can’t marry them and you can’t even work among them, without risking untold trouble for life. Is it any wonder men are distancing themselves from women, if not abandoning them altogether? How’s a man to know whether she has a “false accusation bomb” strapped to her waist or not? If you’re a man among women stay alert, you’re outside the Green Zone.
Will MRAs end up rallying around Cain in the way they rallied around Julian Assange and Dominique Strauss-Kahn? Or will something – his political views, his race? – prevent them from jumping on the Cain train? I guess we’ll just have to see.
More math: NWO has claimed that he makes about $18 an hour and works more than 40 hours a week. He is apparently childless, too old to have student loans, despises modern medicine so I’m guessing he doesn’t have big medical bills, and lives alone in Texas.
Yet $1000 would set him back 6 months.
I’m not saying he’s rich, and certainly people can have all sorts of unfortunate financial circumstances that I have no right to know about, it’s just… well, as people trying to convince me that they’re impoverished go, he’s not the richest person to try it, but I’m pretty damn sure he has more than $165 spending money in a month.
I know this is “paint job on the Titanic” and also sort of intrusive. But it’s kind of intriguing piecing together all the bits of the NWO puzzle, and looking at the hilariously mismatched abomination that results.
“Unsustainable” is also a funny thing to call a charity that’s been going for over 30 years.
I have a feeling that NWO’s idea of a good men’s charity would probably be unsustainable, though. The one I linked provides substance abuse counseling, job search resources, and GED classes in addition to physical needs like food, clothing, shelter, showers, and medical/dental care.
If you add classes on the tyranny of women and explanations of the horrible ways in which men are oppressed by women, I think the funds would suddenly dry up.
One of these things is not like the others.
You know HP, me and my spouse make over $300K a year, but we still feel rather poor.
Sherman McCoy, the protagonist in Tom Wolfe’s The Bonfire of the Vanities, made nearly a million dollars a year (and in the 1980s!), but he also felt rather poor.
But I suspect the passage where he mentally itemised his income and expenditure before reaching that tragic conclusion was intended to be satirical.
That’s nice, Mags. In other news, toothbrush fruitcake lollipop frog.
Happy MRM anniversary to me! A year ago today I joined the MRM.
It takes a surprising amount of time to cleanse a man of a lifetime of feminist indoctrination. Even now, after a full year, I am occasionally surprised by how evil and vile feminism is:
http://radicalhub.wordpress.com/2011/10/04/radical-feminism-in-the-21st-century/
Reading through the comments is even more salutory than the story itself.
NWO’s comments are particularly hilarious because I’m interning this summer as a blogger at a men’s mental health charity.
I’m a sociology major.
RAINN helps male survivors, you twit.
NWO is not very clear on the definition of “analogy”, is he? ‘You think that people should be allowed to ban gay marriage because it’s disgusting; therefore, you believe people should be allowed to ban disgusting things; I find eating meat disgusting; therefore, you believe in banning eating meat.” That is a logical thought process. Countering that with “yeah, well, teasing a man with sex is like waving food in front of a starving man!” is… not.
How do I tease someone with sex? Does it involve clothing (WHAT DO SLUTS WEAR NWO?) or making out with them and then saying no? What if the man is already quite well-fucked and therefore not starving?
Yeah, AntZ, not every feminist is a radical feminist. Just like every man is not a hateful MRMer.
It takes a surprising amount of time to cleanse a man of a lifetime of religious indoctrination. Even now, after a full year, I am occasionally surprised by how evil and vile religion is.
[insert link to Westboro’ Baptist Church]
Did you see what I did there?
It is a short feminist pamphlet advocating a biological final solution to the problem of men and boys. The exact method by which men and boys would be eliminated is left open to discussion. Here are some of the ideas:
“… some of them are already implementing biological solutions that we are only just now beginning to discuss, like dispatching their male babies immediately after birth …”
— FCM
“There have been compelling scientific proofs that men, because of their Y chromosomes, are doomed to extinction anyway…”
– Maggie
“Females don’t have to kill baby boys. Just not nurture them … males will die without the constant infusion of female energy …”
–Mary Sunshine
“I’m so glad that you and others are open to considering a biology-based analysis of what is wrong with men.”
– vliet
“Even if we killed off 90% of men, the majority of women left over would do their best to keep the oppressive system. I’d dare say we’d have to kill off all the women too and leave the little girls and radfems to create the utopia.”
– Lilith
“The *magic number* to bring the males under control is ~30% of the population (roughly 2 females per male) … the men have managed to kill themselves off with a lot of warring, then the women get into politics and make a lot of community-friendly political decisions … so much for the MRA scare tactics of a matriarchy being just the reverse of a patriarchy.”
– DaveSquirrel
“My Vision:: A world where mothers are in charge, every step of the way … A world where males are shunned by everyone & punished severely …”
– patriarchywatch
“Women need to stop raising male children … nobody wants to bite that bullet (except lesbian separatists) but it must be done.”
– Mary Sunshine
“More importantly, I think womyn need to stop giving birth to any more males…”
– Maggie
And finally, some heart warming comments by the loving mother of a little boy:
“… the not raising male children one is difficult one for me as I have one!! I mean, we need female children and I’m so glad I have a daughter. SHe was my first, perhaps I should have stopped at one …”
– cherryblossomlife
“… look at animals… Females live together in groups, they *are* the community, and men hover around the outskirts fighting and killing each other. Let’s go back to the way it’s supposed to be, I say.”
– cherryblossomlife
“It’s *men* that are redundant due to their high fertility. They should be fighting each other, fighting for the right to pass on their genes: survival of the fittest *man* is how it really should be.”
– cherryblossomlife
Start your own blog Zarat. Nobody is interested in your derail.
Even better, start your own charity. Your cyber-lover fantasies and internet-warrior activities aren’t actually doing a thing to help men and boys.
As for being poor vs. feeling poor – it’s complicated. Suffice it to say, NWO is not poor by global standards and -with no wife, children, or elderly parents to support- unless he is lying (entirely possible; likely even) about his rate of hourly pay and the number of hours he works he is not poor by U.S. standards either. If he lives in an expensive city he may definitely feel pinched.
But he isn’t poor. He’s just a lazy liar who, like Zarat, believes that his trolling is some sort of activism and that being completely dishonest is fine in their imaginary “war”.
No one cares, Antz. The difference between radical feminists and all feminists has been explained to you many times, but you refuse to pull your head out of your ass long enough to read it.
Go build a robot.
Further math for perspective:
If NWO’s view of $10 billion to women’s causes for every $1 to men’s causes is true, that means the budget of the men’s charity linked above (just one charity) would imply that 423 times the money is spent on woman’s causes than then entire world GDP.
But, of course, there’s more than one men’s charity in the world. So the potential is more like thousands times the world GDP being spent on women’s causes.
Order of magnitude: it makes a difference.
“However, if Herman Cain is still in the running by the time my state’s primary happens (and if he is the Republican nominee) I will vote for him.”
Did it strike anyone else that White and Nerdy apparently doesn’t know how primaries work? I am relieved that MRAs continue to be foiled by their own ignorance.
@Laura: Really? What is the difference? Because from my standpoint the difference is radical feminists are open and honest about there beliefs of hating men.
@wetherby –
Don’t read Tom Wolfe, but I would stoop to reading Thomas Wolfe. Prefer Faulkner my self.
Brandon: Learn to grammar.
Feminist does not equal manhating. If you can’t grasp that then there’s no point in engaging with you further.
@Leslie –
no, I think you misunderstood his statement. He is saying, if Cain doesn’t drop out before the primaries in my state, I will vote for him. [Assuming he wins the nomination] I will vote for him.
But I’ll agree that people are often foiled by their own ignorance.
The latest numbers I could easily find for Movember are from Australia. That shouldn’t matter since NWO is talking about all of humanity here. Let’s assume that no women in Australia donated and that Australia Movember is the only man’s only charity in the world.
They raised about 74 million dollars last year. So going with his 10 billion assertion we get about 7.4 × 10 to the 20th power US dollars being donated to only Women’s charities.
Something tells me his math is a bit off here.
That’s the silliest “if you disagree with me you’re evil; if you agree with me you’re lying shit ever,” Brandon.
Maybe the reason other feminists don’t talk about hating men is that they don’t hate men.
Er, move that quotation mark.
typing is haaard
@magdelyn Ohhh good point. Comment retracted.
@Holly: Well, I think you need better marketing and PR. That way you can get the word out on how “man loving” you and your like minded feminists are.
Oh and 11.7 million pounds in England. So there’s that.
Brandon, just pull some quotes from regular posters here that indicate man-hating. Not specific man-hating, just man-hating in general. Seriously. I can think of a couple of posters who have claimed to be women and feminists that have written things about decreasing men within the population and shipping off all the MRAs and they’ve almost always been called on their bullshit by the majority of feminist posters.
So prove it. Should be easy. Regular feminist posters from right here on this site whose words illustrate a general hatred of men. Cite something that’s equivalent to the kind of “all women are whores,” “all women should be slaves,” “it’s funny when women get cancer,” type shit that we see from self-identified MRAs.