So some MRAs are rallying around Herman Cain – not in spite of the sexual harassment allegations against him, but because of them.
On The Spearhead, W. R. Price notes that Cain has gotten a flood of new donations since the scandal broke. His conclusion:
The support for the conservative candidate suggests that the decades-old trend of male helplessness in the face of female accusations may be coming to an end.
Other Spearheaders are a bit more blunt:
It is refreshing to see a man (politician or otherwise) in the spotlight stand up and defend himself against a P.C. hatchet-job such as “sexual harrassment” when so many before him did the whiney-baby kiss-up “I was wrong” pandering while bowing before the golden hoochie.
Meanwhile, white and nerdy on Omega Virgin Revolt (yes, that’s a real blog) has actually put his money where his mouth is, sending along a donation to Cain.
I usually don’t bother with voting. Everyone running for most offices is either a liberal feminist or a conservative feminist. To me that is no difference. However, if Herman Cain is still in the running by the time my state’s primary happens (and if he is the Republican nominee) I will vote for him.
Herman Cain is now dealing with at least three women who are claiming that he sexually harassed them. Public figures who were accused of sexual harassment in the past didn’t take on their accusers directly, but Herman Cain did. He pointed out how what is happening to him is a false accusation. As a result of this Cain has received hundreds of thousands of dollars in donations in the last few days. One of those donations was my donation.
This may not seem like much, but this small act as made Cain more anti-feminist than all of the other candidates for president.
Notice that in white and nerdy’s version of the controversy, Cain has “pointed out” that he’s being falsely accused. Actually, what Cain has done is to deny that he harassed anyone. At this point, we don’t actually know enough to judge definitively whether the allegations are true — though the fact that the National Restaurant Association paid out tens of thousands of dollars to settle the cases makes me a bit skeptical of Cain’s denials. But apparently, in W&N’s brain, there’s not even a chance he’s guilty of anything other than standing up to the dirty feminazis.
One of the commenters on Omega Virgin Revolt is even more enthusiastic about Cain than the blogger himself. Jack writes:
If Cain becomes president, we might actually see an end to the incessant pandering to women by the mindless political class. It’s about time that a politician stood up and declared that women have responsibilities in life and are not entitled to a free ride. Cain might actually do that.
Over on Reddit, meanwhile, OffensiveBrute doesn’t defend Cain so much as he defends not giving a shit about sexual harassment:
I say even if Cain is guilty, who the hell cares? Sexual harassment is illegal, but not immoral. well not the kind that Cain is accused of anyway.
Skooma714 offers a similar take:
He didn’t even touch them. They probably hear shit like that on the DC Metro everyday.
They probably are over it. They want to get some paper and attention.
And, yes, both of these comments garnered some upvotes.
Of course, not every MRA out there is rallying around Cain. On Reddit, there are plenty of MRAs who are suspending judgment on the allegations, or who dislike Cain because he’s, you know, a right wing asshole. Over on The Spearhead, the only ones who seem to have an issue with Cain are those who, well, let’s just say that they probably also think burning crosses make great lawn decorations:
Black men are notorious for their sexual escapades, their testosterone being greater than that of White Men – as is their level of rape accusation. He may be innocent but he may just as well be guilty of a real indescretion.
I am happy to report that this comment got a lot of downvotes there; not every Spearheader is a raving Stormfronter. Of course, it says something about the general political and social backwardness of the site that those Spearheaders who are defending Cain from the crudest Klan-tastic racist attacks are doing so basically because they think he’s a credit to his race:
If the Blacks in America were like Herman Cain, this country would be measurably better for it and most of us would be hating on someone else.
But don’t worry: On The Spearhead they can still all agree on one central point – that women are evil, lying whores. As Keyster put it, in one of the most-highly upvoted comments in the thread:
What this indicates is that people are fed up with political correctness and the feminist/sexual grievance industry. …
In the new Femocracy you can’t date them, you can’t marry them and you can’t even work among them, without risking untold trouble for life. Is it any wonder men are distancing themselves from women, if not abandoning them altogether? How’s a man to know whether she has a “false accusation bomb” strapped to her waist or not? If you’re a man among women stay alert, you’re outside the Green Zone.
Will MRAs end up rallying around Cain in the way they rallied around Julian Assange and Dominique Strauss-Kahn? Or will something – his political views, his race? – prevent them from jumping on the Cain train? I guess we’ll just have to see.
@Holly Pervocracy
” I guess with the “dented tin cup” bit you can add homelessness to the list of problems NWO does not actually has, but pities himself greatly for metaphorically having.”
I’m not hungry or homeless now but I have been. Ya know what’s worse? Being homeless, hungry and cold. And the worst part is being cold. Ya just can’t seem to shake the cold out of your bones.
Try shoving newspaper between your clothes and your skin, NWO.
@Holly: No. It means both sides look through life in a very narrow lens and are self-interested to the core. It’s not about getting men and women to work together…it’s about pitting each gender against one another.
NWO: You do realize that if circumstances change, the person paying child support can ask the payments be reduced or stopped until they’re earning again, yes? Because it happens all the time. And a lot of the time, I’m sure they’re granted.
It means both sides look through life in a very narrow lens and are self-interested to the core.
This could possibly be one of the most ironic things anyone has ever said.
Oh no, NWO has experienced the sensation of cold! This changes everything!
Get him a lady-slave immediately!
…Wait a second. I’ve slept in parks. I’ve had an apartment with no heat when the temperature went below freezing. I’ve worked all night in ass-deep snow.
Clearly I deserve a man-slave! You guys! I’ve been cold!
So feminism is narrow-minded, bigoted, and all about pitting the ladies against the men…yet Brandon adopts parts of feminist philosophy in his own life.
@Holly Pervocracy
“MRAs and feminists are totally two sides of the same coin. It’s like, MRAs are racist and sexist, and feminists aren’t, which are opposite things, so they must be equally and oppositely bad!”
Actions speak louder than words. As I said above, men of wealth, as well as men of low stature give to women’s causes exclusively. The reverse isn’t true. You don’t give to white, black or brown men exclusively, yet you accuse us of sexism and racism. We hear the words but see the actions; They are opposites.
“I’m not hungry or homeless now but I have been. Ya know what’s worse? Being homeless, hungry and cold. And the worst part is being cold. Ya just can’t seem to shake the cold out of your bones.”
Yeah, considering all the bullshit that makes up your being, I think it would be safe to call bullshit on that.
Yeah, considering all the bullshit that makes up your being, I think it would be safe to call bullshit on that.
As it justifies nothing either way, I for one don’t care of it’s bullshit or not.
In that case, MRAs are fucking silent.
NICE. I’m proud I was able to get that admission of severe homophobia out of NWO. I’m sure it wasn’t a secret, but it makes everything he says in here even more ridiculous.
PROTIP for NWO: Homophobia is crazy unpopular in the west, dog! Even among the libertarian-leaning Reddit MRAs, hating gays makes either makes you a Flying Spaghetti Monster worshiping poor, or a superstitious 3rd-world mud person! Even your own kind want no support from you!
NWOslave knows what coldness feels like, and that gives him the right to have a rape-slave.
@KathleenB
“NWO: You do realize that if circumstances change, the person paying child support can ask the payments be reduced or stopped until they’re earning again, yes? Because it happens all the time. And a lot of the time, I’m sure they’re granted.”
Are there men in debtors prison due to being unemployed? Have men been released from POW camps only to be arrested for failure to pay child support while being a POW? Have men come out of coma’s only to be arrested for failure to pay? The list of atrocities is endless? I can hardly believe men have voted for this law. Who is left that would’ve?
No. No they don’t Brandon.
Are there some feminists who are radical female supremists? yea.
Do they even have half the amount of hateful websites MRAs do? Nope.
Here’s some things I learned from MRAs:
Sluts should expect to get raped.
Women didn’t contribute anything to society…ever.
Women get free money from scholarships or the government. Men never do.
All women hate men.
All feminists hate men.
All women are out to get men.
All women want bad boys that abuse them.
Women are overgrown children that should be diciplined when they get out of line (see Bryan’s comment on the spearhead article I posted)
Women were never oppressed in any way.
Women should obey men.
Sexbots will take over and women will be left to die.
Men are perfect.
Women get paid less cuz it’s all their fault for having babies.
Fathers should get custody but women should stay in their natural place and do the child-rearing.
Women have natural roles like cooking, cleaning, and babies. Everything else is for the men.
Women are supposedly good at nurturing, but they’re also vindictive whores who throw out false accusations of rape every second.
Here’s some things I learned from feminism:
There are gender roles for men and women and most of the time they suck.
Rape is a problem.
There are systematic forms of discrimination.
There is misogyny rooted in our culture (see the bible and history)
Patriarchy hurts men too.
The madonna/whore complex is bullshit.
Men are not inherently predispositioned to rape.
While men and women have some biological differences, in many ways the way we are “programmed” to behave is due to societal influences.
As a lawyer, nothing annoys me greatly than the whole ‘presumption of innocence’ logical fallacy. The whole ‘presumption of innocence’ concept can be summarised thus :
Criminal sanctions will be not visited upon a person until they have either pled guilty or been demonstrated (or ‘proved’) guilty in the appropriate Court of law. The onus is placed on the prosecution to prove guilt, and not the defence to prove ‘innocence’.
The way this gets warped re allegations of sexual assault boggles the mind.
“[X] is entitled to the presumption of innocence, therefore until I see proof, I will assume that [Y] is a stinky, lowlife, lying woman.”
“But if she’s lying, she’s committed perjury, which is also a crime. By your logic, Isn’t she also entitled to the same presumption of innocence? How can you then call her a liar?”
“BLAARGGGH [false rape allegations] GRRRRR [men are the real victims] BRUCCH”
“And the worst part is being cold. Ya just can’t seem to shake the cold out of your bones.”
I thought the worst part was going without food for two hundred days.
I’m such a Gender Raunch Slut, you guys, you don’t even know.
I find eating meat disgusting. Am I allowed to ban eating meat? I have way better ethical arguments for vegetarianism than anyone has for being against gay people, and the ex-carnivore programs have a far higher success rate.
I donated to a charity that helps people with TB tonight. Do I get points because it probably helps men and women equally, or does only donating to charities that only help men count? Because, you know, stuff like RAINN and the breast cancer people also help men; I don’t think there’s a whole lot of charities that only help one gender (although there are a lot that have disparate impact on one gender over another).
If I had a shitton of money I would create a scholarship for men going into traditionally female occupations. Sadly, I’m a starving college student who will evolve into zir starving writer form, so no such luck. 🙁
I agree that men being imprisoned for not paying child support sucks (although, you know, kid still needs food). I just don’t think it’s, yanno, slavery.
NWO: Your reply has… pretty much NOTHING to do with what I wrote. Watch the black hole expand…
I’m sorry you were homeless, NWO, even people who want to have rapeslaves and think Russian and Spanish have the same alphabet don’t deserve that. It’s a hard life and I’m glad you have a home now.
@Trollin’MRAs
“PROTIP for NWO: Homophobia is crazy unpopular in the west, dog! Even among the libertarian-leaning Reddit MRAs, hating gays makes either makes you a Flying Spaghetti Monster worshiping poor, or a superstitious 3rd-world mud person! Even your own kind want no support from you!”
No doubt you believe your own propaganda, dog. But go to like yahoo or something and read the comment section whenever some pro-gay PR is posted. The commenter ain’t shoveling the party line anymore.
Hate is your realm as well as mockery and shaming. Which of course has no effect anymore. It has as much meaning as your spaghetti worship, 3rd-world mud person screed. Pretty standard feminist stuff. No content, do as I say or I’ll screech like a crazed maniac. Ho-hum.
@NWO: I have been homeless too. And my own observations show men are far more generous and helpful than women were. While I was homeless in Boston, most of the time men would help with money, cigarettes and food. Some even would buy me lunch as they were coming out of fast food joints. In the three months I was sleeping on an emergency blanket, I had maybe 2 women buy me coffee and most women wouldn’t even offer a cigarette when I even tried to buy one from them.
The people I know who have been or are going to be put in jail for failure to pay are asshats of the first order. Sometimes, the only thing that will get through is the threat of losing one’s driver’s license, having one’s pay garnished, or yes, going to jail.
Says the man who wants a rape-slave.
…So you really don’t know the difference between activism and trolling.
I’m shocked, shocked!
Meanwhile Brandon is sinking into his usual Brandon-centric musings of “I think feminists and MRAs are equally wrong, but gosh, women sure do suck.”