As “activists,” Men’s Rights Activists seem to be good at only two things: harassing people, and flooding comment sections of websites with their endlessly repeated half-dozen talking points. On Reddit, for example, the local MRAs have been quite the little imperialists, invading a number of gender-related subreddits (like r/equality and r/egalitarian) and turning them essentially into r/mensrights-lite, which has effectively meant killing them. (The recently started r/masculism – an attempt to do Men’s Rights on Reddit without all the misogyny – doesn’t have a chance.)
Well, now the MRA invaders on Reddit seem to have set their sights on a much bigger target: the TwoXChromosomes subreddit. Yep, they’re trying to turn Reddit’s central hangout for the ladies into a boys club.
2XC– an explicitly female-oriented forum on a site (Reddit) heavily dominated by dudes — has always been a strange place. Though I am myself, obviously, a dude, I used to read it fairly regularly, finding it a welcome respite from all the “sammich” jokes and other idiot misogyny so pervasive elsewhere on Reddit. At the time, 2XC had a (completely unwarranted) reputation amongst the Reddit crowd as an evil place full of feminazi man-haters.
Then something started happening to 2XC. That thing was dudes. And not just any dudes – MRA dudes. Regulars on r/mensrights started linking to threads in 2XC and invading en masse, downvoting anything vaguely feminist and spewing forth their standard litanies of complaint. Some of these invaders decided to stay. And so, these sporadic raiding parties turned into a sort of occupation.
No, 2XC – despite the growing number of MRA residents, including a few female MRAs – has not turned into another r/mensrights. But at times, especially when the discussion turns to some MRA pet issue, the place looks a lot like dude central.
Case in point: this 2XC thread, expertly dissected by NauticalLittleNet in ShitRedditSays. The story: a woman posts a picture of her Halloween costume on Reddit and is bugged by a rude, creepy comment referring to her breasts (something that happens approximately ten zillion times a day on Reddit). So she posts the pic again to 2XC, hoping for sympathy. Instead, she’s treated to a barrage of comments mocking her for her alleged “persecution complex.” As NauticalLittleNet shows, the overwhelming majority of the obnoxious comments (all of which garnered numerous upvotes) were from dudes, many of them MRAs.
Naturally, this sort of thing – which happens pretty regularly on 2XC – has totally changed the dynamic of the subreddit from something that was sort of a haven for Reddit women to just another subreddit overflowing with obnoxious dudery.
As a Redditor called emmster noted recently in r/feminist, some women in 2XC have basically stopped posting anything vaguely feminist for fear of being jumped on by argumentative dudes:
I’ll be getting downvoted to Hell in the comments, but get PMs that are supportive from women who feel too afraid of the judgment and vitriol to jump in. I don’t love knowing there are women afraid to voice their opinions in a space that’s for women.
Honestly, I think the sustained r/MensRights invasion is what’s taking the largest toll. It’s like they can’t stand the idea that women have a space that’s active and popular, and they have to come ruin it.
And it doesn’t help that, as Donna_Juanita noted in the same discussion, some of the 2XC mods have essentially bent over backwards to accommodate the MRA invaders and to clamp down on feminists allegedly causing “drama.”
In ShitRedditSays, emmster offers a broader take on what’s happened to 2XC
Since young men are a majority on the site as a whole, and a pretty hefty number of them haven’t had the “There Are Places I Am Not Necessarily Welcome to Pontificate on My Opinion” realization, the space becomes less of a place for women, and more of a place to talk about women. Which is a pretty big distinction. And a tricky thing to keep from happening without raising the ire of the entitled, ignorant young dude contingent.
As a reddit friend of mine put it, it all started with the “Hey Ladies, What Do You Think of My Dick?” posts. When a bunch of guys started posting questions, trying to “understand women,” which of course is a flawed goal, because women, being people, have a variety of opinions and preferences, and cannot actually be understood as a group. Some of them were actually questioning preferences on penis size, hence the name of the phenomenon.
My hypothesis is that eventually, it will be nothing but men talking to men about what they think about women.
Not that there is a shortage of such spaces on Reddit, or in the world in general.
By the way, that picture above is not actually a picture of 2XC regulars. It’s a picture of the Huutajat Men’s Shouting Choir. Which is a real thing in the world. Here they are in action:
After reading (most of) this thread, I am suddenly inspired to completely scrap my previous NaNo plans and write about NWO’s world instead.
That’s certainly the only way NWO is going to help create anything of lasting worth.
@Wetherby: nah, that’d only happen if he croaked and his remains subsequently used as fertilizer. 😉 Writing about Slavey’s world? That’s gonna be one short story, there. And ftr, I’m stayin’ the hell off of Reddit…..holy buckets, those guys are NUTTERS……
@Rabbit: I should do something for NaNo but I fear I’d probably cannibalize a game idea I have on the back burner for when things are calmer if I did.
It’d be nice if the trolls were a little higher caliber on this post, it’d fit better. Oh well.
http://www.theonion.com/articles/if-humans-evolved-to-be-social-creatures-then-why,26510/
Do you know she’s had sex? She has, you know. It’s very important that people realize this.
To be fair, this probably does awe and amaze the folks on MRA sites.
Oh, and 52D whoeverthehellyouare: I DO run with the “Big Boys”–they’re the ones who AREN’T misogynist and cruel and want to learn to EVOLVE and make good lives WITH women, as opposed to blaming, bullying, and constantly trying to knock them down every chance they get.
Wow, you sure told me. I feel properly chastised. Actually, at least your earnest strawman pummeling was more entertaining than that wordy bore Pecuniary whatever who posted right after you and almost made me fall asleep.
Rutee Katreya: You’re a game designer? Involved in this, by any chance?
Quackers:
So it’s freedom of speech when these men say misogynistic or sexist statements about women, but it’s misandry when women imply that men are maybe not all perfect in every possible way ever.
And then the new troll shows up one post later to say exactly this. Do you have… powers?
Oh…. I am crushed. Such a sterling example of the “vigorous debate” you say is important in the non-echo chamber.
The wit, the snappy comebacks, the thorough destruction of my every point.
You wuz BORED… OMG, the SHAME… How will I console myself?
MD52, you damn well should. And I kept someone awake–YAY for me!!! Oh! And…NEENER, NEENER, NEENER.
No thank you. I have no interest in having a group of bullies call me the c word a hundred times. Those MRA subreddits aren’t going to have much discussion of opposing views, because they’re way too angry and scary to everyone who isn’t an MRA.
I’ve seen what passes for vigorous debate in MRA circles. I’d get a more rousing and intellectually rigorous set of arguments out of The Barrens chat in World of Warcraft, and that is a very low bar.
I run tabletop games, you crouton. But I like how you’re trying to scaremonger me with what appears to be a run of the mill zombie shooter where the zombies additionally make the lives of women miserable.
MD520N is Eoghan, right? Or is he one of the even earlier trolls? Which one goes on about lapdogs in the purses of hairy-legged feminists?
MD52ON is either Eoghan, Hengist, or JohnnyB/Ion.
I know I’m new here, but didn’t the lapdog thingy belong to Slavey?
A lot of our trolls use “lapdogs” to describe the feminist men here.
So, when men revolt and every women is owned by a man, can feminists be owned by their feminists lapdog?
Kyrie: No, that would be like putting a bag of holding inside a portable hole! It would rip a vortex through space-time!
My favorite lapdog was a 70-pound pitbull.
A bit hard to see or do anything when she was on your lap, but there’s no cuddles like pitbull cuddles.
I fucking love you.
@KathleenB
Thunderdome.
Wait… I thought GOVERNMENT was Big Daddy. Now it turns out that the 1% are Big Daddy?
Wait… Elementry schools should be more like Lord of the Flies?
Didn’t we fight a war over whether owning another human was “right and proper”?
Man, I’m so far behind on my crazy…
thebionicmommy and Quackers: Do you feel like the incessant need for MRA´s to take over other spaces is connected to the rheotircal styles of their influences (or heroes)? They seem to fall square in the more conspiracy-minded political stuff guided by the Tea Party and Glenn Beck. In this case, Manboobz would be a small corner of the huge liberal media monolith that must be torn down brick by brick. As a result, their compulsion to make everything about them, them, them and violence done to men is an ethical imperative (kinda of a if you mixed shitty verisons of Levians with even shitter verisons of the Borg).
Sigh, it reminds of a discussion I had about “Community`s” diverse cast quickly dissovled into something about Obamacare. The reason: Show different races of people= socialist, Kenyan co-opting of culture.
Cynickal – The “awaiting instructions” thing really gets to me. Because I can sort of see the “how dare they tell innocent children how to behave!” logic, at the same time as I realize how ridiculous it is. It’s like being libertarian about potty training.
“My child is a heroic being, with his own happiness as the moral purpose of his life, and he shall poo where he deems it right!“
Of course, after most of the women have been silenced or have retreated into heavily-moderated spaces, then they’ll whine, “But where are all the women?”
I dunno, but I personally could deal with being owned by a Chihuahua (sp?). And am I the only one here who remembers that WKRP thing with Les Nessman trying to pronounce said breed? 😉