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Are tattooed women an affront to good men?

Probably not interested in dating dudes from The Spearhead

Newsflash from the frontlines of the gender war: Apparently some of the ladies are getting tattoos!

Luckily for us, The Spearhead is on the case. In a recent post titled “Ruminations from Seat 22D,” Spearhead guest poster Lyn87 reported on an encounter with one of these ghastly creatures:

I recently took a long trip for work and spent a lot of hours in the air. One of my fellow passengers really stood out in my mind: a 20-something lass a few rows ahead of me. She is a natural-born beauty in that “launch a thousand ships” kind of way – slim, near-perfect symmetrical features, piercing blue eyes, and a shapely body. She is, simply, stunning. But there’s more to this story than a retired soldier admiring an exquisite example of female flesh young enough to be my daughter.

Well, we’re off to a really creepy start here.

It was actually her tattoo that first caught my attention.

Oh, that’s where we’re going. This is going to be one of those “women with tattoos are whores” kind of story.

She was wearing a low-slung top that revealed a HUGE eagle inked across her chest and extending down under the front of her shirt. And then I noticed her hair – what little there was of it. I’ve always kept my hair short, even by military standards, and her hair was shorter than mine.

Tattoos and a short haircut! Excuse me for a moment; I think I’m getting the vapors.

Few things de-feminize a woman more than buzzing off her hair, which is why it is considered to be shameful in many societies. She was wearing ratty, ripped jeans and far too much costume jewelry.

I can’t believe we let women leave the house in such attire.

And then I noticed the piercings.

Not the piercings!

As I stood six inches behind her for several minutes waiting to de-plane I counted seven, and that was just what was visible. I wondered what else she had done to herself. A tramp-stamp is a given, but who knows what other “body art” was hidden out of my view.

We can only imagine. Some Matisse prints? A mural in the style of Diego Rivera? A reproduction of Michelangelo’s David? One of the plates from Judy Chicago’s Dinner Party?

[M]en like me, the kind of man women say they want – responsible, courteous, masculine, respectable, upwardly mobile – [avoid] women like her even as long-term girlfriends, let alone wives.

I’m pretty sure that women like her — or like most women — are not much interested in men who are not only old enough to be their father but who also read The Spearhead.

[I]a person goes to great lengths to project a certain persona, especially in a way designed to attract attention, it says something about him/her. I asked myself what would cause the stunningly-beautiful young woman on my flight – at the height of her Sexual Market Value – to do that to herself? Women dress for us, so what does she intend for us to infer? I’m easy? I’m rebellious? I can drink you under the table?

Maybe: “If you’re the sort of misogynist creep who’s going to jump to weird conclusions about my character based on my tattoos, my piercings, and even on the length of my fucking hair, and then write about it at length on a site overflowing with similarly misogynist creeps, I’d rather not have anything to do with you?”

But Lyn87 seems unable to understand why anyone would want to send such a message:

I can think of no message that her chosen facade would convey that would be in her long-term interest. In a few years after her looks fade she is likely to be just another tatted-up skank wondering where the good men are.

Wherever these “good men” are, I’m pretty sure they aren’t reading or writing for The Spearhead.

It didn’t have to be this way. In a different social environment a woman like her would have learned to be (gasp!) feminine. She would have observed the older women in her surroundings and absorbed benevolent patriarchy in the air she grew up breathing.

Oh lord.

With her beauty she could have married above her economic station and lived a comfortable life. We can’t know if she would have been happy, but she almost certainly would have had stability, security and comfort.

Hey, who needs happiness when you’ve got patriarchy!

But she doesn’t live in that society; she lives in a “Slut Walk” society, thanks to feminism. When she chose the “Suicide Girl” look nobody stopped her.

Um, who exactly is supposed to stop her from dressing and looking how she likes?

Now she has mutilated herself with enough ink and metal trinkets to repel the kind of man most likely to give her the life she wants, because no matter what she does to the outside of her body, she will eventually want what women have always wanted on the inside – stability, security and comfort.

Hmm. Could it be that she’s not actually interested in the life a man could “give her,” and perhaps more interested in the sort of life she can, you know, give herself?

The fruits of feminism: what a waste.

Only if you’re a narcissistic misogynist who thinks the world revolves around his preferences.

Next up on The Spearhead: Airline peanuts — Tool of they Gynofascist Matriarchy?

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kristinmh
kristinmh
13 years ago

Er, does to you.

Dracula
Dracula
13 years ago

Or rather, I envy him. ‘Cause, y’know, hat.

ozymandias42
13 years ago

My girlfriend has a tattoo and piercings and she is totally sexy.

That is all.

CassandraSays
CassandraSays
13 years ago

Really? I thought that you were trying to tell us that you dream of coming back as a hat in your next life.

If you do we may be forced to use you to cover the next incarnation of NWO (as a roach). Fair warning.

Spearhafoc
13 years ago

Good bowlers are hard to find. I lucked into mine (my stepfather bought it second-hand in the 70s in Liverpool and has barely worn it since). It’s a classic black one with a stiff brim and these weird but cool ventilation holes in the top. It’s ever so slightly too big for my head, but it’s wearable.

And people, they’re spelled “fluoride” and “Rothschild”. Let’s not let NWOslave mess up our spelling too.

Quackers
Quackers
13 years ago

I envy hats. They get a perfect view of everything, just sitting on top of people’s heads all day 😀

CassandraSays
CassandraSays
13 years ago

Actually I feel that my last comment was unfair to roaches. They at least are able to function as part of a cooperative society.

Sorry, my creepy little friends, I didn’t mean it.

dreamhouse
dreamhouse
13 years ago

“Women dress for us, so what does she intend for us to infer?”

Oh yuck. I have a tattoo that covers 3/4 of the outside of my right thigh. I keep it covered most of the time for work and when it’s cold. I wish it more visible so people like him wouldn’t talk to me.

Kyso K
Kyso K
13 years ago

It occurs to me that the OP clearly considers himself a provider, someone the tattoo girl could have aspired to marry up to had she only made wiser choices. But he doesn’t make the case that she is currently financially insecure, and he’s flying in the same class she is. For work, no less. We know the lady can spring for at least an economy grade seat and some costume jewelry, plus she enjoys the liberty and disposable income required for body mods. Meanwhile OP is working after retirement and sounds kind of fogeyish. He’s going to have to put more on the table if he expects people like me (my beauty is on the nanohelen scale) to bite.

Nova
Nova
13 years ago

When are MRA’s going to realize that women are not required to care what they think or take their preferences into consideration, when making highly personal decisions, like whether to get a tattoo?

However, this thread has reminded me how freaking awesome Siouxsie and the Banshees are, and that’s a definite net positive in my life!

BlackBloc
BlackBloc
13 years ago

Oh those poor tattooed and pierced women who won’t get to marry a guy who reads the Spearhead… My heart bleeds. 🙁

If you can live with that, I, in my infinite generosity, will definitely date you. I know, I know, you won’t get to go out with those super awesome MRAs, but you have to take what you can, right?

Philippa
Philippa
13 years ago

NWO:

“Would that be, “we” as in a monolithic block? Tsk, tsk. I thought women were individuals?”

No, that would be all the women here who are telling you to mind your own business and stop behaving like they’re your rebellious underage daughters. They are adults and responsible for their own personal style, if that includes tattoos and piercings what’s that to you?

Quackers
Quackers
13 years ago

“No, that would be all the women here who are telling you to mind your own business and stop behaving like they’re your rebellious underage daughters. They are adults and responsible for their own personal style, if that includes tattoos and piercings what’s that to you?”

Paternalistic BS isn’t it? well they might as well continue regurgitating that BS anyway, it just keeps proving feminism right over and over again 😛

katz
13 years ago

Also, you can see my engagement ring in my picture. (I wear it on my right because it isn’t a set with my wedding band.)

Unimaginative
Unimaginative
13 years ago

Speaking of flouride, Owly, I got my flu shot today!

The consent form didn’t mention flouride anywhere

Well, it’s pretty obvious that fluoride is coded right into the name of the shot, amirite?

Philippa
Philippa
13 years ago

Quackers:

“Paternalistic BS isn’t it? well they might as well continue regurgitating that BS anyway, it just keeps proving feminism right over and over again”

Truly, it really does! They make the point for us. A comment like that shows that they’re completely clueless and that they can’t even be bothered to listen, much less treat us like full, adult human beings.

Captain Bathrobe
13 years ago

NWO: I bet you sheeple believe that water is wet, like the brainwashed, indoctrinated feminazis that you are!

Everyone else: But water really is wet…

NWO: Ha! You feminists are so predictable. I totally win!

Philippa
Philippa
13 years ago

@ Captain Bathrobe

Yep, that about sums it up.

malcontent
malcontent
13 years ago

Yuck. I mean, I happen to present myself as a conventionally feminine woman, but that’s because I want to, not because I have to. I’m particularly grossed out by the notion that woman should trade their beauty for lucre. Lucky me. I’m beautiful. (Or so they say.) So, apparently I’m supposed to use that beauty to be some rich man’s whore. Just because I can? What the fuck? I don’t put a price on my face and body, nor I do respect someone who thinks I should put a price on it. I am a human being, not a goddamn product with a dispose-of-by date.

omgpie
13 years ago

I have waist length hair, only wear pants to go to the gym, and always have perfect nails. I bake all of the bread my husband and I eat, keep a tidy house, and knit all of our socks. Almost everything I own could be described as cute. I fit most of the norms that many of these MRA’s claim to want in women, but there is one key difference between me and the women who lived in a “benevolent patriarchy” like the one the OP seems nostalgic for.

I was allowed to choose.

I am a fourth generation feminist, and incredibly proud of the history my family has. Many men and women in my family have fought so that I can make my outside match my inside, without fear of reprisal.

And to all of the guys on here, who whine about how they’re alone because they’re so nice? I will tell you what my feminist grandfather told me when I was ten.

Nice is different than good.

Nice is different than kind.

Nice is different than respectful, honorable, responsible, and charitable.

In fact, nice is pretty damn worthless. If you’re denigrating a person for expressing themselves, for choosing what to do with their own body, if you’re tossing around slurs like “whore,” “slut,” and “bitch,” if you’re patronizing anyone’s intelligence or insinuating they lack ability to make their own decisions because they’re different from you, if you’re supporting the invasion of another person’s privacy and autonomy for any reason, it doesn’t matter how “nice” you are.

Because if you want to find a good woman, who isn’t shallow, who lives her life with integrity, and who does her best to be a quality person every day, you’re going to have to do a hell of a lot better than nice.

You’re going to have to match that standard yourself.

Philippa
Philippa
13 years ago

@malcontent:

We’re damned if we do and damned if we don’t. If we do trade on our looks and use them in order to marry a rich man were whoring goldiggers, if we don’t we’re unnatural and subverting the status quo, perhaps even (gasp) evil feminists who think we have the right to be treated as people, with love and respect, rather than pretty objects to bear a man’s children, be his servant and give him status.

CassandraSays
CassandraSays
13 years ago

@ Phillipa – There is no way to win that game. The fact that it’s set up to make sure that straight men win is the whole point of the game. Which is why men like the OP, Meller, etc hate feminism so much – feminism has made it at least theoretically possible to opt out of the game, and they don’t like that at all. Look at MRAL, Slavey, Meller – nothing seems to enrage them more than the idea of women having sex and not suffering for it in some way, or a woman having the option to choose not to sleep with any given man if she doesn’t feel like it. There’s a reason they keep bringing the conversation back to sex and dating regardless of what else is being discussed.

Erl
Erl
13 years ago

You regurgitated exactly what you were told to say like I said you would.

God, this is perhaps the second most obnoxious troll schtick. “Haha, you said exactly what I planned/predicted!”

Yeah! We’re predictable! Show up and say “hey, I don’t think women have rights” and we’ll tell you “YES THEY DO” in a thousand ways. That’s because we have, you know, firm and thoroughgoing convictions. It’s really not an impressive trick to predict that the feminists on a feminist site will take a feminist position and give it in response to an anti-feminist statement.

WORST MAGIC TRICK EVER.

As for the OP, the single creepiest (half-)line for me was “Women dress for us[.]” Yeah, any time a woman puts on pants she is on display for you. She’s on display for a group that includes you in particular. She’s on display for a group that includes you and excludes, implicitly, women. It’s just, like, pure crystalized entitlement.

Nova
Nova
13 years ago

I present as pretty conventional too. Long hair, relatively feminine clothes (outside of work, anyway,) etc. It’s just me and what works for me, at this point in my life. I did the short hair/ death hawk/ funny colored hair, punk rock and black bondage pants thing for quite a while, but grew into a more conventional look. Part of it is the ease of maintenance and part of it is the fact that the average person takes me more seriously now and, as a business owner, it helps me make a living. What’s never changed is me and my ideals, regardless of what I present on the outside. I think it’s kind of cute when some younger punk rockers mistake me for somebody’s mom… and then see the punk tattoos and go “wait… what?”

So, if women were banned from body mods and forced to wear “feminine” clothes, is that really going to change a thing about who they are? If you put long hair and a dress on a punk, is she magically going to stop being a punk? If you take the makeup away from a goth girl and put her in pink, is she suddenly going to turn into something from a Jane Austen novel?

MRA’s seem to think that if women are forced into looking and acting like their ideal, these wayward women are going to realize that they like it, it’s good and that it’s what they really want. Because it’s what MRA’s really want and if they want it, it must be right. Kind of like when a 5 year old wants to give their parent a toy that the 5 year old would like, because zie doesn’t understand that different people like different things. For the 100 or so MRA’s that hate women, there are millions of men who don’t have issues understanding that women are all different and are able to find one that they’re compatible with.

Once again, the MRA movement illustrates that they have the mentality of an angry 5 year old.

Erl
Erl
13 years ago

Not, um unless she wants to um, get married to a decent man before she, um turns like, um 40 and has wrinkles to go with her dermal graffiti that she, um thinks makes her an, um individual who um doesn’t care what people think of her um, until she gets older and finally does and then, um she’s got a lot to um, hide.

Shorter EWME: “I’m judging you super hard right now for making a decision that I and those like me will judge you for in the future!”

Seriously, I despise this line of argument. “Oh, tattoos are a bad idea, because people who think that they’re a bad idea will reject you.” Well, fuckin yeah, but the argument is so circular it shits itself. It’s concern-trolling someone’s life. It’s a contentless objection; it does not motivate debate, discussion, thought, or even feeling, it just grates.

I may be in a poor mood right now.

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