The other day we met some Men Going Their Own Way who are so baffled by lesbianism that they simply refuse to believe that lesbians actually exist. But not all MGTOWers hold this position. Indeed, one new visitor to MGTOWforums.com, a guy calling himself Chainsaw King, has a rather different take: Lesbians not only exist, he argues; they are in his opinion “the only good women.” Let’s hear him out:
Yes, I acknowledge the existence of Roise O’Donnell, Ellen DeGeneres, and whatever other celebrity lesbian you hate. …
But it would be foolish to judge all lesbians based on the evil that is Ellen.
I’m sort of involved with the gay community, which is something I reccomend to the people here if you have no problem with them. … Anyway, because of that I’m also friends with a lot of lesbians … Their personalities are likeable – and they show signs of empathy and intellect, to mention the least.
That sound you hear is a thousand tiny MGTOW heads exploding.
Yeah, there are some fat or butch loud whores and “bisexuals” who act like the typical woman. But I’m not even sure if they’re really lesbian; just man haters or something. Ignore them.
I’m not just saying this because I’m pro-gay or anything. I honestly couldn’t give a shit. It’s really remarkable; like if I had no exposure to lesbians and I read this post, I’d probably class it as bullshit. Meet some for yourself to prove it.
As you can imagine, this argument did not go over very well with most of the regulars. (The thread is short; I’m not going to bother linking to individual comments.)
Forum moderator MrLahey responded bluntly:
Being a lesbian removes the only incentive I’d ever have to interact with her. Catch 22 ? 😛
Goldenfetus, meanwhile, reiterated the “lesbians don’t exist” theory we examined the other day:
I’m not even sure I believe in lesbians. I have the vague impression it’s just a phase of man-hating or penis-envy-revenge that most women outgrow. The only one I know is a cousin who was always posting lesbo crap on Facebook when I still used it. She was more accurately ‘lesbian until graduation’ than full-blown, but still far from what you describe. The few others I have been exposed to were c****. Maybe I’ll accept this challenge to meet some in the wild, but I don’t know where, exactly, to begin.
Goldenfetus, even though I’m a straight dude I think in this one instance I can speak for the lesbians of the world when I say: Don’t bother to try to meet any actual lesbians. Just continue imagining that they don’t exist, and they will continue to imagine that you don’t exist, and everyone will be happy.
Most of the other commenters, while not denying the very existence of lesbians, were simply baffled by the notion that lesbians could possibly be decent human beings. “I thought lesbians usually hate men even more than straight women do,” Truyardy wondered. “I thought lesbians make up a large portion of the feminazi community.”
shade47, previously on record as a Lesbian Denier, seems to have changed his mind on this point. But he still doesn’t seem to fully understand the concept of lesbianism:
I’m calling big time bullshit on the origional poster. Awalt [All Women Are Like That] goes for lesbos too. Why hang out with a cool lesbo when you can safely hang out with a normal cool male friend. women are women noatter what is politically correct and if you and your super cool lesbo pal get really drunk one night and fuck it is exponentially more likely she will make a false accusation against you to save face… Never will happen with male friends.
Yeah, I’m pretty sure that thing with the “super cool lesbo pal” is never gonna happen either.
Womanhater offered the most ingenious MGTOWer solution to the Lesbian Problem: He managed to express his deep hatred of lesbians –while simultaneously arguing that they (or at least 90% of them) don’t really exist. Let’s see how he pulled this off:
Dykes are women. That really is all that should need to be said.
I find that in my experience 90-95% of dykes are man-haters. There are indeed that delightful 5-10% that are just wired to like twat, but the other 90-95% are lesbo because they are either too hateful, broken, envious, whatever to sustain a relationship with a man. …
[N]o matter how you slice it, a dyke has 2 X chromosomes, and is therefore firmly beneath the AWALT [All Women Are Like That] umbrella in my book.
And that was pretty much the final word on that subject. Chainsaw King doesn’t seem to have returned to the thread to see the mess he’s created. Or maybe he saw it and fled in horror and disgust.
There were, however, a few other commenters who used the thread as an opportunity to vent their hatred not of lesbians but of gay men – or at least the “flamboyant” kind. I think you may be able to guess their main objection. Sam I Am was the most, er, eloquent of the bunch:
Flambuoyant gay men are just…. abnormal. They get really fucking annoying really quickly…
They are men, but they’re acting like bitches… like, on fucking purpose. That’s abnormal and annoying just like … I dunno.. a person who just talks too fucking much. Two — you can’t make up your mind whether you’re more annoyed at the abnormality of men acting and talking like women, or at the feeling that you’re just around a bunch of women, period.
I don’t think MGTOWers will be invited to march in any Pride Parades any time soon.
KathleenB: Totally off-topic, but I just checked out the things Mr. Welch is no longer allowed to do in an RPG, and I’ve been laughing my ass off. Thanks for mentioning that, since I hadn’t heard of it before and it is utterly delightful. 🙂
Yes, Brandon that was more assholes I’m glad to see you can admit it now.
Here’s more Brandon.
http://www.weebls-stuff.com/songs/Amazing+Horse/
Yes it is the fault of feminism.
so pre-feminism no one lived quiet lives of desperation? is that what i am supposed to understand?
hahahaha cynickal…that was amazing 😀
Alyssa: Yep… that Emerson dude… just talking about the results of feminism.
Let me see… there was no racism before feminism? Really? Huh… I understand that It’s The Truth Since Owly Says So… though we know he rarely (never) checks his facts first.
Also, about the whole “humor” discussion… I thought it is subjective? No?
Eneya: Humor is somewhat subjective. What a lot of assholes do is say something intended to offend, and then when someone takes offense; defending their position by explaining why the tropes of the offensive statement are offensive, they say, “hey, it was just a joke, I don’t know why you got offended at my saying all hispanics ought be deported!”
Which s then followed by the accusation, “Sheesh, feminists/Mexicans/gays have no sense of humor”.
NWO interprets “social anxiety and loneliness” as “can’t get laid”? That explains a lot.
Alyssa Sweet wrote, “so pre-feminism no one lived quiet lives of desperation? is that what i am supposed to understand?”
But I thought living lives of quiet desperation was the English way! Roger never said it had anything to do with feminists…
(citation: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MYiahoYfPGk)
Pecunium, my comment about subective humor was about ‘feminist don’t have a sense of humor if they don’t laugh at thing I find funny”, so they can find funny one thing, and other people can laugh at something else. Not laughing at the same thing as everyone else doesn’t necessarily mean the person doesn’t have a sense of humor.
If I have to be honest, not laughin to sexist, classist, racist jokes proves the person HAS a sense of humor.
This is what I mean.
In regards to subjective humor… hell, I find Maher boring, as well as most people and link Brandon linked us to. I love complicated, layered humor with social-related stings in which issues and hypocrisity or traditions are exposed/commented/pointed out, no reinforsed or unquestions. A person slipping on a banana peel doesn’t do anything for me, as well as a person getting kicked in the balls. I find Mr. Been incredibly boring but I would laugh my ass of on то Wodehouse’s stories.
I can write the better part of the day how complicate humor is.
Jokes are not always just jokes. Via them we change our perception and normalise, trivialise stuff… or we atract attention to things. In my country in the past (and in past political regimes, which have now moved on to democracy) people have been sent to prison for jokes towards “The Party”… so I am painfully aware how much a joke is not just a joke.
Maher’s kind of humor… It’s in no way saying anything new, it doesn’t challange anything, it reinforces stereotypes (repeating a stereotype is boring, making of OF a stupid stereotype which is idiotic IS funny).
Eneya, I love P. G. Wodehouse too! Sorry, totally random, I just had to tell you that.
P.S. Sorry for the carnage in my last comment.
You know what, NWO, that’s actually a legitimate critique; feminism today is still pretty firmly embedded in the racist culture we all grew up in, and is considered by some women of color to be primarily about the advancement of white women to the status of white men, dealing with issues of sex and gender from a mostly white perspective while the issues of race are left more to the wayside or are ignored entirely. So you make a good point when you–
–and never mind.
@ Daphne B
At least I’m not the only one who went there. 😀
Attn MGOTW: Your threats only work if you actually intend to follow through with them.
Maher is an idiot. I don’t care that he gets the dander of religious folks up much, since he primarily targets hte powerful (Note: He also targets the weak, which is not cool, I will note), but he is also not a skeptic yet flings that around as if he is. Maher the antivaxxer, yes.
You know what’s weird? My original statement reads like I didn’t use the word “pussy” atall. Let me check… Nope, I didn’t say that anywhere. It’s almost like “pussy access” (hilarious, and I’m thinking of making my man a laminated “pussy pass” as joke) and “pussy ownership” (impossible, by the by, unless you actually have a “pussy”)have absolutely nothing to do with what I said.
Vacuumslayer: most people do call it mythology. However, ask around or google it and you will find practicing Hellenists.
Of course, most people either think anygiven religion besides their own is mythology or they have such a dim view of truth that they think all religions are true.
How do MRAs propose to “take back” Manboobz? Is that like feminists taking back Spearfront?
Ray Percival:
My understanding (of people who’ve actually put this forth, not of straw-Dworkin):
Women are raised to say yes, especially to men, regardless of what they actually want. Men are typically stronger and in any case more willing to fight to get what they want. So there’s no way of distinguishing between a woman who says “yes” because she actually wants sex, a woman who says “yes” because she knows she’s supposed to, and a woman who says “yes” because she believes (however reasonably) that a “no” will not be respected and could get her (further) hurt.
I think the socialization bit, at least, is significantly less true now than it was a generation ago, thanks in large part to feminism. But in the ’70s-’80s, all that adds up to “no consent is genuine” (especially in the mind of someone who actually does dislike heterosexual sex and assumes this is universal) which in turn leads to “heterosexual sex is rape.”
Brandon:
Yes, and I see you posted a video as well.
@Yoren:
Oh no, no, no, I’m not an MRA, I’m just your garden variety of troll who is 100% fake and who can’t write anything but lies. A necessary part of the internet ecosystem which emerges when people take themselves too seriously.
Yeah, some wanker getting their rocks off by annoying people on the internet is necessary, and in no way pathetic.
Ja, ja! Ve unhumorist femeeneest mit our Jager und Ami speek und our reechupees, und Magik de Genderink cards, und our mockink ov de meeschongenishts, ve ist vaaaay too scheeriouvs.
Vait, no, hyu iz just ah eediot.
I’m still a bit disappointed of Bee, that she, well… the bizarreness and incoherence of my writings, citing evo-psych experts, my hatred of occam’s razor… well what can I say… 😉
Oh well, we’re off-topic again… Lesbians… lesbians… lesbians are bad women, I’ve never met a girl who was normal and just happened to like girls, all lesbians I know are angry, bitter man-haters… so, really, what’s wrong with this MGTOW?
Yeah, I sometimes wonder if they have a nasty word in their slang for men like gay men have for women (fish 😉 )? Oh, probably not, instead of gays, lesbians don’t need to especially emphasize their hate for the opposite gender, that’s just their normal state!
But the good news are (the progress of science is really amazing), we’ve already have a cure for lesbians: prenatal treatment with dexamethasone.
And it get’s even better… I mean… wow! This dexamethasone is a real wonder drug… we can also curb this assertiveness in females and their interest in masculine careers, make women more feminine, nurturing and family oriented!
The guy who invented this deserves a nobel prize.
Simon, I thought you were leaving us.
Lesbians and normal wone just don’t like YOU, Simon. Wonder why that is?