The other day we met some Men Going Their Own Way who are so baffled by lesbianism that they simply refuse to believe that lesbians actually exist. But not all MGTOWers hold this position. Indeed, one new visitor to MGTOWforums.com, a guy calling himself Chainsaw King, has a rather different take: Lesbians not only exist, he argues; they are in his opinion “the only good women.” Let’s hear him out:
Yes, I acknowledge the existence of Roise O’Donnell, Ellen DeGeneres, and whatever other celebrity lesbian you hate. …
But it would be foolish to judge all lesbians based on the evil that is Ellen.
I’m sort of involved with the gay community, which is something I reccomend to the people here if you have no problem with them. … Anyway, because of that I’m also friends with a lot of lesbians … Their personalities are likeable – and they show signs of empathy and intellect, to mention the least.
That sound you hear is a thousand tiny MGTOW heads exploding.
Yeah, there are some fat or butch loud whores and “bisexuals” who act like the typical woman. But I’m not even sure if they’re really lesbian; just man haters or something. Ignore them.
I’m not just saying this because I’m pro-gay or anything. I honestly couldn’t give a shit. It’s really remarkable; like if I had no exposure to lesbians and I read this post, I’d probably class it as bullshit. Meet some for yourself to prove it.
As you can imagine, this argument did not go over very well with most of the regulars. (The thread is short; I’m not going to bother linking to individual comments.)
Forum moderator MrLahey responded bluntly:
Being a lesbian removes the only incentive I’d ever have to interact with her. Catch 22 ? 😛
Goldenfetus, meanwhile, reiterated the “lesbians don’t exist” theory we examined the other day:
I’m not even sure I believe in lesbians. I have the vague impression it’s just a phase of man-hating or penis-envy-revenge that most women outgrow. The only one I know is a cousin who was always posting lesbo crap on Facebook when I still used it. She was more accurately ‘lesbian until graduation’ than full-blown, but still far from what you describe. The few others I have been exposed to were c****. Maybe I’ll accept this challenge to meet some in the wild, but I don’t know where, exactly, to begin.
Goldenfetus, even though I’m a straight dude I think in this one instance I can speak for the lesbians of the world when I say: Don’t bother to try to meet any actual lesbians. Just continue imagining that they don’t exist, and they will continue to imagine that you don’t exist, and everyone will be happy.
Most of the other commenters, while not denying the very existence of lesbians, were simply baffled by the notion that lesbians could possibly be decent human beings. “I thought lesbians usually hate men even more than straight women do,” Truyardy wondered. “I thought lesbians make up a large portion of the feminazi community.”
shade47, previously on record as a Lesbian Denier, seems to have changed his mind on this point. But he still doesn’t seem to fully understand the concept of lesbianism:
I’m calling big time bullshit on the origional poster. Awalt [All Women Are Like That] goes for lesbos too. Why hang out with a cool lesbo when you can safely hang out with a normal cool male friend. women are women noatter what is politically correct and if you and your super cool lesbo pal get really drunk one night and fuck it is exponentially more likely she will make a false accusation against you to save face… Never will happen with male friends.
Yeah, I’m pretty sure that thing with the “super cool lesbo pal” is never gonna happen either.
Womanhater offered the most ingenious MGTOWer solution to the Lesbian Problem: He managed to express his deep hatred of lesbians –while simultaneously arguing that they (or at least 90% of them) don’t really exist. Let’s see how he pulled this off:
Dykes are women. That really is all that should need to be said.
I find that in my experience 90-95% of dykes are man-haters. There are indeed that delightful 5-10% that are just wired to like twat, but the other 90-95% are lesbo because they are either too hateful, broken, envious, whatever to sustain a relationship with a man. …
[N]o matter how you slice it, a dyke has 2 X chromosomes, and is therefore firmly beneath the AWALT [All Women Are Like That] umbrella in my book.
And that was pretty much the final word on that subject. Chainsaw King doesn’t seem to have returned to the thread to see the mess he’s created. Or maybe he saw it and fled in horror and disgust.
There were, however, a few other commenters who used the thread as an opportunity to vent their hatred not of lesbians but of gay men – or at least the “flamboyant” kind. I think you may be able to guess their main objection. Sam I Am was the most, er, eloquent of the bunch:
Flambuoyant gay men are just…. abnormal. They get really fucking annoying really quickly…
They are men, but they’re acting like bitches… like, on fucking purpose. That’s abnormal and annoying just like … I dunno.. a person who just talks too fucking much. Two — you can’t make up your mind whether you’re more annoyed at the abnormality of men acting and talking like women, or at the feeling that you’re just around a bunch of women, period.
I don’t think MGTOWers will be invited to march in any Pride Parades any time soon.
Just listened the “humor” video. My favorite part is when is tell to a women whose four husbands beat her that it’s because she doesn’t know when to “shut up!”
Yeah for shaming abuse victims! (I know, I know, that’s a “joke”)
Actually, I’d say it’s easier to find it funny if you fall on the Left side of it…but, you know, to each her own.
Continuing my streak of contributing nothing to the discussion…
[vimeo http://www
w=400&h=225]RAD BROMANCE from John Polly on Vimeo.
Bah! Embedding fail. Damn you VIMEO!
I thought you were slammining them into keyboards…?
These threads move too fast I can’t keep up.
I heard that, too, Kyrie. He called battered wives “button pushers”. I don’t find any humor in it either. Guess I’m just a humorless stick in the mud.
Sigh, it seems like with comics, like anything else, the MRA’s must play the game of “if you believe in some part of X’s ideas, then BLAMMO! you have to believe in all parts of X’s ideas.” Gotcha, gotcha!
I like Bill Maher on some things but not on others; however, I probably fall more into a Olbermann camp as he appeals to my shrill rules-lawyer nature that I try and keep hidden at parties or other social functions. Good critical thinkers, of which there are many on this site, can separate the wheat from the chaff, whether that be in comics or feminist thinkers/scholars.
Accepting everything a given field of thought has to say about X is like eating the GrandSlam at Denny’s. Sure, it makes things easier, but it’s not advisable for long term health.
That sounded preachy. Sorry! Ugh, I went Olbermann again.
I have nothing to add except that I literally LOLed when I saw that the mod’s name is MrLahey.
We need a feminist Bubbles character to combat him XD
Are we doing a reverse-Spartacus today?
I’m not MRAL! *stands up*
*grins*@ “robust multi-tiered troll ecology”!!!
Someone just won themselves their very own Internet!
Although as a feminist I have no sense of humor, my larynx is producing a laughter-like sound to express my faux-merriment at how quickly everyone identified MRAL.
“Personally, I think that the twats should just take the dick they’re offered. It’s more than they deserve.”
Bend over, Yoren 😉
It’s positively fecund.
“And I’m not sure there ways that won’t offend religious people to say “I think religion is on par with believing the Greek gods are real.” I do. Is there a nice way to say that? I don’t know.”
A religious friend of mine once got into a discussion with a group of atheists, one of whom brought out a similar construction — in this case, “your god is no more real than Thor” — and then sat back and preened at having scored a profoundly meaningful point.
Which was great and all, except that my religious friend happens to be a follower of Odin.
Presently, I’m of the opinion that his god is not profoundly more real than Marla Mason but that a) wouldn’t necessarily come up in a polite conversation with some Odinsman other than a dear friend I’ve known for over a decade b) does not mean what one might think it means.
Somewhere in there are a couple answers to your question.
“women are women noatter what is politically correct and if you and your super cool lesbo pal get really drunk one night and fuck it is exponentially more likely she will make a false accusation against you to save face… Never will happen with male friends.”
Question 1 – why would your lesbian friend want to fuck you when she’s drunk? Oh yeah, I forgot for a moment, in the MRA-verse women do not have free will, and also there’s no such thing as a real lesbian.
Question 2 – What if your male friend is gay? I mean given that men’s sex drives are overwhelming and all, aren’t you a bit nervous?
Conclusion – sexism makes you stupid. But we already knew that.
@ithiliana
“I’d love for them to go suffer silently for a while, but they never do.”
Why should men suffer silently due to policies enacted or ignored by women? Does mens agony need to be hidden so you feel good about yourselves? So sorry for the inconvenience.
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@Alyssa Sweet
“oh wow and that NEVER happens to women and is totally feminisms fault! Many people live quiet lives of desperation, i’d say most people, i find liberation from gender roles to be a great way to counter that desperation.”
Yes it is the fault of feminism. You can’t be liberated from gender roles, (a silly term to justify your hatred anyway). You can never feel or think like a man, just like a man can never feel or think like a woman. Ever wonder what a dog or some other animal is feeling or thinking? You can wonder but you can never feel or think like them. Even male and female animals think differently from each other which can plainly be seen. Same thing.
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@vacuumslayer
“Says the guy who’s never savaged a vagina in his life. At least not with his dick.”
You place an awful high value on a vagina with a statement like that. Do you consider him less of a man due to your assumption he can’t get any?
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@Nobinayamu
“Childish as ever and probably no closer to dealing with his social anxiety and loneliness. Talk about a life of loud desperation.”
More precious pussy chit-chat from the feminist corner. Pussy access as the defining character of a man. Insta-value due to pussy ownership.
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@havebookswilltravel
“I probably fall more into a Olbermann camp as he appeals to my shrill rules-lawyer nature that I try and keep hidden at parties or other social functions. Good critical thinkers, of which there are many on this site, can separate the wheat from the chaff, whether that be in comics or feminist thinkers/scholars.”
Olbermann camp and feminist thinkers/scholars? You’re kidding right? Talk about an oxymoron. Hold up the idiot card and repeat after me thought is more like it. Lemming logic.
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@CassandraSays
“sexism makes you stupid. But we already knew that”
Yes it does, so does racism which is also a feminist staple. How many time have you used the term, “white man/male in a derogatory fashion? A standard opening line for feminists. Racism and sexism is feminisms favorite food.
Yes it is the fault of feminism. You can’t be liberated from gender roles, (a silly term to justify your hatred anyway). You can never feel or think like a man, just like a man can never feel or think like a woman. Ever wonder what a dog or some other animal is feeling or thinking? You can wonder but you can never feel or think like them. Even male and female animals think differently from each other which can plainly be seen. Same thing.
YAY! Let’s do this again! 😀
Tell me about my cat! 😀 Is she a loud cat or a quiet cat? What time of the day does she meow the most, if she meows at all? Is she a friendly cat or an unfriendly one? Does she like being around people or not? Does she enjoy being out in front of people or does she hide a lot? How does she react to change? Does she snub new food, or does she eat no matter what food has been changed up on her? Does she bite when she plays with me? :3
You have all the information you need after all, NWO, you know she’s female XD
Yes it does, so does racism which is also a feminist staple. How many time have you used the term, “white man/male in a derogatory fashion?
You tell us xD After all,this is a rhetorical question of yours, so you obviously know the answer. And you wouldn’t be saying it if you didn’t know it was true, so give us examples where she’s used the term “white man” in a derogatory fashion xD
So Brandon has defined humor as that which he laughs at. So far we have a tautological definition of what Brandon finds funny.
But that’s not “humor”. Humor is that which is painfully close to the truth. So there are “ist” jokes, which tend to be about othering/reinforcing the special place of the “in group”, and there are jokes which strive to be about the human condition in general.
Brandon thinks that people being made the out-group in a joke means they have no sense of humor. What it really does is make it plain the people who like that joke are, more or less, assholes.
Yes, I realise all of us are assholes, to some degree, but knowing that an asshole joke is an asshole joke is important. When the entire schtick is being an asshole, then what you are is an asshole. When one defends that sort of thing, by insulting people who point out it’s assholish… then one is an asshole, and self-admittedly proud of being an asshole.
This, of course, isn’t news, as it concerns Brandon.
Brandon: @Viscaria: I need photos to make any determination.
So you might want to have sex with her. Poor woman.
Yoren: Notice the rise of MRAs on this board? We’re fucking tired of you holes having the run of this place. Brandon, Broseidon, Simon, me… we’re here to defend ourselves from Futrelle’s slander.
I see you are learning how to make the funny. Thanks, I needed that.
Notice the rise of MRAs on this board? We’re fucking tired of you holes having the run of this place. Brandon, Broseidon, Simon, me… we’re here to defend ourselves from Futrelle’s slander.
I think there’s less MRAs around than in the past actually. XD And Dark Lord Futrelle has been dealing w/ trolls showing up every few months and then leaving after a while…I dun think this is new xD
Bethany Spencer: I dunno. Define “douchey.” Usually when he pokes religious folks it’s because of their hypocrisy. Like when people who call themselves Christians celebrate the death of, well, anyone. Technically if you’re a Christian, you’re not supposed to do that. So, yeah, he’ll riff on stuff like that. If that’s douchey, I guess I’m ok with that.
But he doesn’t even pretend to limit it. He says that to be “x” religion is to be, ipso facto, a hypocrite. It’s not funny, it’s bigotry.
I like Colbert’s ways of making fun of actual hypocrites. He takes specific people, and skewers them for how they fail to live up to their stated beliefs.
But he doesn’t say that anyone who shares some of their ideas is just that sort of hypocrite.
Here is some more asshole, Pecunium: