The other day we met some Men Going Their Own Way who are so baffled by lesbianism that they simply refuse to believe that lesbians actually exist. But not all MGTOWers hold this position. Indeed, one new visitor to MGTOWforums.com, a guy calling himself Chainsaw King, has a rather different take: Lesbians not only exist, he argues; they are in his opinion “the only good women.” Let’s hear him out:
Yes, I acknowledge the existence of Roise O’Donnell, Ellen DeGeneres, and whatever other celebrity lesbian you hate. …
But it would be foolish to judge all lesbians based on the evil that is Ellen.
I’m sort of involved with the gay community, which is something I reccomend to the people here if you have no problem with them. … Anyway, because of that I’m also friends with a lot of lesbians … Their personalities are likeable – and they show signs of empathy and intellect, to mention the least.
That sound you hear is a thousand tiny MGTOW heads exploding.
Yeah, there are some fat or butch loud whores and “bisexuals” who act like the typical woman. But I’m not even sure if they’re really lesbian; just man haters or something. Ignore them.
I’m not just saying this because I’m pro-gay or anything. I honestly couldn’t give a shit. It’s really remarkable; like if I had no exposure to lesbians and I read this post, I’d probably class it as bullshit. Meet some for yourself to prove it.
As you can imagine, this argument did not go over very well with most of the regulars. (The thread is short; I’m not going to bother linking to individual comments.)
Forum moderator MrLahey responded bluntly:
Being a lesbian removes the only incentive I’d ever have to interact with her. Catch 22 ? 😛
Goldenfetus, meanwhile, reiterated the “lesbians don’t exist” theory we examined the other day:
I’m not even sure I believe in lesbians. I have the vague impression it’s just a phase of man-hating or penis-envy-revenge that most women outgrow. The only one I know is a cousin who was always posting lesbo crap on Facebook when I still used it. She was more accurately ‘lesbian until graduation’ than full-blown, but still far from what you describe. The few others I have been exposed to were c****. Maybe I’ll accept this challenge to meet some in the wild, but I don’t know where, exactly, to begin.
Goldenfetus, even though I’m a straight dude I think in this one instance I can speak for the lesbians of the world when I say: Don’t bother to try to meet any actual lesbians. Just continue imagining that they don’t exist, and they will continue to imagine that you don’t exist, and everyone will be happy.
Most of the other commenters, while not denying the very existence of lesbians, were simply baffled by the notion that lesbians could possibly be decent human beings. “I thought lesbians usually hate men even more than straight women do,” Truyardy wondered. “I thought lesbians make up a large portion of the feminazi community.”
shade47, previously on record as a Lesbian Denier, seems to have changed his mind on this point. But he still doesn’t seem to fully understand the concept of lesbianism:
I’m calling big time bullshit on the origional poster. Awalt [All Women Are Like That] goes for lesbos too. Why hang out with a cool lesbo when you can safely hang out with a normal cool male friend. women are women noatter what is politically correct and if you and your super cool lesbo pal get really drunk one night and fuck it is exponentially more likely she will make a false accusation against you to save face… Never will happen with male friends.
Yeah, I’m pretty sure that thing with the “super cool lesbo pal” is never gonna happen either.
Womanhater offered the most ingenious MGTOWer solution to the Lesbian Problem: He managed to express his deep hatred of lesbians –while simultaneously arguing that they (or at least 90% of them) don’t really exist. Let’s see how he pulled this off:
Dykes are women. That really is all that should need to be said.
I find that in my experience 90-95% of dykes are man-haters. There are indeed that delightful 5-10% that are just wired to like twat, but the other 90-95% are lesbo because they are either too hateful, broken, envious, whatever to sustain a relationship with a man. …
[N]o matter how you slice it, a dyke has 2 X chromosomes, and is therefore firmly beneath the AWALT [All Women Are Like That] umbrella in my book.
And that was pretty much the final word on that subject. Chainsaw King doesn’t seem to have returned to the thread to see the mess he’s created. Or maybe he saw it and fled in horror and disgust.
There were, however, a few other commenters who used the thread as an opportunity to vent their hatred not of lesbians but of gay men – or at least the “flamboyant” kind. I think you may be able to guess their main objection. Sam I Am was the most, er, eloquent of the bunch:
Flambuoyant gay men are just…. abnormal. They get really fucking annoying really quickly…
They are men, but they’re acting like bitches… like, on fucking purpose. That’s abnormal and annoying just like … I dunno.. a person who just talks too fucking much. Two — you can’t make up your mind whether you’re more annoyed at the abnormality of men acting and talking like women, or at the feeling that you’re just around a bunch of women, period.
I don’t think MGTOWers will be invited to march in any Pride Parades any time soon.
Now, I’m kind of wondering if there’s a lesbian version of an MRA. Y’know, a woman who likes to screw women, but also violently hates them. Would she also hate herself? Or would she see herself as the “N” in NAWALT? Certainly her fellow MRAs wouldn’t want much to do with her… But if straight women get themselves involved in those communities, surely there must also be non-straight women of all types, too.
Don’t worry, we don’t like you much either, B-baby.
@Julie: I guess I am doing something right
“Your feminists, the most easily offendable group of people in existence.”
Does anyone want to repeat the “Pot/Kettle” thing? Or should I?
“Now, I’m kind of wondering if there’s a lesbian version of an MRA. Y’know, a woman who likes to screw women, but also violently hates them. Would she also hate herself? Or would she see herself as the “N” in NAWALT?”
That seems to be an inversion of the “man-eater” one sees in too many romantic comedies…though, I saw it one time in one comedy show (can’t remember the name).
So, Brandon looked for the most misogynistic comic he could find so he could tell us how feminists have no sense of humor?
How very original.
Rabbit,
Maybe the “all heterosexual sex is rape” people?
If you do repeat it, be sure to correct his grammar while you’re at it.
Brandon, being unlikeable doesn’t really mean you’re doing something right. The drunk party-goers at my apartment complex on the weekend who like to scream all night at everyone passing by are unlikeable. Their only achievement is getting shit-faced and causing a disturbance.
Could someone explain the humorless rap to me? I read several liberal blogs (which are mostly chock-a-block with feminists) and this blog…and the women who comment are almost without exception terrifically witty.
@Bostonian: I don’t need a misogynistic comedian to prove that.
Oh, Lauralot. He knows that. I think he’s flirting with us actually. It’s sweet. Sort of.
Says the person commenting on a blog that exists to mock a group who are mortally offended by the fact that women with pussies go around not throwing their vaginas at anyone who asks.
It all makes me wonder what the hell these guys think a “woman” is, much less how she gets to be that way.
Does the evil form at the moment X sperm meets X egg, or is it instead based on gender identity, or is it taught by society? If it’s taught by society, how does every woman end up evil, even though they differ in their degree of social conformance in many other regards? Would a girl raised as a boy still be evil? How about a boy raised as a girl?
Serious ontology-of-women-being-bitches concerns, you guys.
Wait, is this a real thing?
Oh, is that what it was? I didn’t bother to watch.
I figured, though… Does it ever occur to them that that’s like having an audience full of black people watch a racist comic and then dumbly screaming, “WHY AREN’T YOU LAUGHING?!! CAN’T YOU TAKE A JOKE, N*******?!!!”
Feminists do not laugh at the usual jokes that rely only on misogyny for the humor, so we have “no sense of humor”.
So it’s a bullshit trope that has no basis in reality. Thought so.
“Feminists do not laugh”
I fixed that for you Bostonian.
The thing is Brandon, I know you think this guy is “edgy” and new and all that, but my horrorshow of an abusive grandfather could have written his shtick. Declaring lesbians miserable because they hang out with women? Not really funny to well, anyone who is not a bigot.
What *really* makes Brandon adorable is that he spends entire threads arguing, “No, really, videotaping people I have sex with without their permission is totally reasonable! Bitches be crazy!” and then is annoyed when we don’t respond to him positively ever again.
@Molly: Not really
Brandon, we laugh all the time. Mostly at you.
It’s okay, Brandon. I laugh at your self-delusion. 😉
So when did Brandon drop his vaguely-worded, weaselly style of discussion and go for the outright insults?
Not that I miss the former.
If jokes rely on an ism to be funny, they aren’t very complex/complicated/smart. It’s not that feminists can’t see the pattern/button/bit of the joke, of course we can, it’s just that it’s only so much bullying, cheap lazy humor. Why would we find that funny? And of course much humor relies on being at the expense of someone (banana peel, anyone) but more complex humor takes that moment and heightens it so that there is a reflection of what it is to be human, to experience pain, etc.