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Return to Lesbos: Are lesbians the only good women?

The other day we met some Men Going Their Own Way who are so baffled by lesbianism that they simply refuse to believe that lesbians actually exist. But not all MGTOWers hold this position. Indeed, one new visitor to MGTOWforums.com, a guy calling himself Chainsaw King, has a rather different take: Lesbians not only exist, he argues; they are in his opinion “the only good women.” Let’s hear him out:

Yes, I acknowledge the existence of Roise O’Donnell, Ellen DeGeneres, and whatever other celebrity lesbian you hate. …

But it would be foolish to judge all lesbians based on the evil that is Ellen.

I’m sort of involved with the gay community, which is something I reccomend to the people here if you have no problem with them. … Anyway, because of that I’m also friends with a lot of lesbians … Their personalities are likeable – and they show signs of empathy and intellect, to mention the least.

That sound you hear is a thousand tiny MGTOW heads exploding.

Yeah, there are some fat or butch loud whores and “bisexuals” who act like the typical woman. But I’m not even sure if they’re really lesbian; just man haters or something. Ignore them.

I’m not just saying this because I’m pro-gay or anything. I honestly couldn’t give a shit. It’s really remarkable; like if I had no exposure to lesbians and I read this post, I’d probably class it as bullshit. Meet some for yourself to prove it.

As you can imagine, this argument did not go over very well with most of the regulars. (The thread is short; I’m not going to bother linking to individual comments.)

Forum moderator MrLahey responded bluntly:

Being a lesbian removes the only incentive I’d ever have to interact with her. Catch 22 ? 😛

Goldenfetus, meanwhile, reiterated the “lesbians don’t exist” theory we examined the other day:

I’m not even sure I believe in lesbians. I have the vague impression it’s just a phase of man-hating or penis-envy-revenge that most women outgrow. The only one I know is a cousin who was always posting lesbo crap on Facebook when I still used it. She was more accurately ‘lesbian until graduation’ than full-blown, but still far from what you describe. The few others I have been exposed to were c****. Maybe I’ll accept this challenge to meet some in the wild, but I don’t know where, exactly, to begin.

Goldenfetus, even though I’m a straight dude I think in this one instance I can speak for the lesbians of the world when I say: Don’t bother to try to meet any actual lesbians. Just continue imagining that they don’t exist, and they will continue to imagine that you don’t exist, and everyone will be happy.

Most of the other commenters, while not denying the very existence of lesbians, were simply baffled by the notion that lesbians could possibly be decent human beings. “I thought lesbians usually hate men even more than straight women do,” Truyardy wondered. “I thought lesbians make up a large portion of the feminazi community.”

shade47, previously on record as a Lesbian Denier, seems to have changed his mind on this point. But he still doesn’t seem to fully understand the concept of lesbianism:

I’m calling big time bullshit on the origional poster. Awalt [All Women Are Like That] goes for lesbos too. Why hang out with a cool lesbo when you can safely hang out with a normal cool male friend. women are women noatter what is politically correct and if you and your super cool lesbo pal get really drunk one night and fuck it is exponentially more likely she will make a false accusation against you to save face… Never will happen with male friends.

Yeah, I’m pretty sure that thing with the “super cool lesbo pal” is never gonna happen either.

Womanhater offered the most ingenious MGTOWer solution to the Lesbian Problem: He managed to express his deep hatred of lesbians –while simultaneously arguing that they (or at least 90% of them) don’t really exist. Let’s see how he pulled this off:

Dykes are women. That really is all that should need to be said.

I find that in my experience 90-95% of dykes are man-haters. There are indeed that delightful 5-10% that are just wired to like twat, but the other 90-95% are lesbo because they are either too hateful, broken, envious, whatever to sustain a relationship with a man. …

[N]o matter how you slice it, a dyke has 2 X chromosomes, and is therefore firmly beneath the AWALT [All Women Are Like That] umbrella in my book.

And that was pretty much the final word on that subject. Chainsaw King doesn’t seem to have returned to the thread to see the mess he’s created. Or maybe he saw it and fled in horror and disgust.

There were, however, a few other commenters who used the thread as an opportunity to vent their hatred not of lesbians but of gay men – or at least the “flamboyant” kind. I think you may be able to guess their main objection. Sam I Am was the most, er, eloquent of the bunch:

Flambuoyant gay men are just…. abnormal. They get really fucking annoying really quickly…

They are men, but they’re acting like bitches… like, on fucking purpose. That’s abnormal and annoying just like … I dunno.. a person who just talks too fucking much. Two — you can’t make up your mind whether you’re more annoyed at the abnormality of men acting and talking like women, or at the feeling that you’re just around a bunch of women, period.

I don’t think MGTOWers will be invited to march in any Pride Parades any time soon.

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Ally Fogg (@AllyFogg)
13 years ago

“I’m not even sure I believe in lesbians.”

Hush your mouth! Doesn’t he know that everytime a little boy or girls says they don’t believe in lesbians, somewhere in the world a little lesbian drops down dead?

(altogether now) I do believe in lesbians, I do, I do…

Little Mousling (@LittleMousling)

This lesbian chooses not to believe in them.

filetofswedishfish
13 years ago

Thinking that men are wholly capable of being other-than-straight (even if you hate them for it), and simultaneously not believing in lesbianism has got to be related to not thinking of women as whole people(with whole, independent sexual orientations), but I just don’t feel like drawing that parallel right now. These guys are just too stupid.

Snowy
Snowy
13 years ago

if you and your super cool lesbo pal get really drunk one night and fuck it is exponentially more likely she will make a false accusation against you to save face… Never will happen with male friends.

Okay, is he saying it won’t happen because you wouldn’t get drunk and have sex with your male friends? Or they just won’t accuse you of raping them?

hellkell
hellkell
13 years ago

The stupid, it burns.

Ray Percival
13 years ago

“Super Cool Lesbo Pal” is the name of my Hole tribute band.

Aloren
13 years ago

Lol Ray!

So if AWALT than means their mom, sisters, cousins, aunts… Which is pretty sad.

Catch 22 guy sounds like so many MRA or just plain sexist men I have run across online. Wow. That’s it? The only reason to interact with half the planet is to fuck them or nothing? I must be really invisible to them. Even more than the lesbians! Yay.

Eneya
13 years ago

I wonder if their next topic will be “parkings – do they really exist?”.

Brandon
Brandon
13 years ago

And then there is Jim Jefferies take on lesbians:

Amnesia
Amnesia
13 years ago

Well, I guess I can give Chainsaw King credit for actually knowing and dealing with real women and realizing that at least some of them are not as bad as the manosphere makes them out to be. It’s also a bit refreshing that he doesn’t think the only good women out there are soft, fluffy, submissive types that wouldn’t dream of letting their partner think they have a personality.
It’s a crack in the completely misogynist mindset most MRAs operate under. Like a solitary drop of rain in the desert.

juliejezebel
13 years ago

Wow, Brandon. What a lovely video you shared with all of us.

juliejezebel
13 years ago

From a comedic standpoint, he seems drunk and slurry. His jokes are basic and cheap, not bothering to look at layers or levels within the comedy. Eh.

Brandon
Brandon
13 years ago

@Julie: Ya…and the name of that show was Alcoholocaust. So him being drunk and slurry is kinda a given. Or did you not see the clear dixie cup of beer he was drinking on stage?

juliejezebel
13 years ago

Brandon, I really didn’t want that long. As a comedian myself, I can handle and even appreciate the random derogatory/scatalogical joke, but I don’t have a lot of patience for dumb humor, from men or women. Eh.

Brandon
Brandon
13 years ago

@Julie: Whatever floats your boat.

juliejezebel
13 years ago

Less about floating and more about being impatient with lazy artists. You can make anyone laugh with a fart or a dick joke. But it takes real skill not to go that way. Hating on women, gays, etc….cheap and lazy. But then, I suppose that’s what the audience wants, to see their own laziness mirrored for them.

Snowy
Snowy
13 years ago

Awww poor Brandon was trying to offend us! Julie you just took all the wind out of his sails.

juliejezebel
13 years ago

Sorry, guys!!!!!!

Brandon
Brandon
13 years ago

@Snowy: Sails are so 16th century. If anything, I would have a powerboat.

I don’t have to try and offend you. Your feminists, the most easily offendable group of people in existence.

BlackBloc
BlackBloc
13 years ago

I can’t watch videos from here but since it was posted by Brandon, we can assume the comedy-to-douche ratio on that video is low.

juliejezebel
13 years ago

No offense, dude. Just bemused at how shitty his comedy was. It’s sad to see someone waste a career with the lowest common demominator. There are so many actual good comics out there….Oh well. Good try Brandon. Try a little harder next time and maybe I’ll get all foot stompy and upset.

Snowy
Snowy
13 years ago

Awwwwww and now he’s trying to make a joke! Brandon, you’re as funny Jim Jefferies!

Brandon
Brandon
13 years ago

Aww…you guys are just adorable.

juliejezebel
13 years ago

We really are.

Brandon
Brandon
13 years ago

Not really.

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