The daffy, excitable Man Going His Own Way who calls himself MarkyMark may be my favorite manosphere blogger of all. Not only does he bring the lulz himself – who can forget the time he wrote a completely unironic point by point rebuttal of an Onion article? – but he also helps to bring attention to the equally stupefying work of others.
In his latest post, he directs our attention to some observations made by fellow MGTOWer Spock’s Disciple on the Happy Bachelors forum on the subject of pussy and its discontents. “This is good stuff, stuff my boys need to read,” Mark writes. “[Spock’s Disciple], like his hero, applied cold hearted logic when analzying pussy. The Force is STRONG with that one!”
Yes, he actually wrote that. I don’t think it’s a joke. I think he honestly does not know that there is a difference between Star Trek and Star Wars. How that is possible, I do not know.
Anyway, on to the eminently rational Spock’s Disciple, reflecting on the irrational power of the ladybits:
Remember that pussy is a biochemical WMD; wherever it is used, there is mass chaos and destruction. How many wars and conflicts have been fought at the urging and behest of women? More than any honest man would admit to and would be proud of.
Young men are apparently helpless in the face of the punany:
The need for pussy is a very real and built in addiction for men. We are hardwired by nature for sex and procreation. … [T]he sight and sound of pussy blinds younger men and allows them to be controlled by women though their hormones.
The, uh, SOUND of pussy? If I had to pick just two (or three, or four) sensory experiences relating to the vagina that would be generally considered appealing to heterosexual males, I’m not sure “sound” would make the cut.
But eventually even the horniest dudes start to get less horny – and thus less hypnotized by the power of the pussy. The only trouble is that by the time they lose interest in sex most of them are married, and they’re now stuck with the woman whose vagina formerly had them in thrall. It’s a grave injustice.
[W]hen most men pass the age of 30-35, they begin to awaken from this biochemical “dream” and what do they awaken beside? What do married men look forward to the next 30-50 years of their lives? Sleeping with a living corpse, which continues to torture and destroy them day by day? Looking forward to the time when the woman undergoes the process of metamorphosis, into a completely insane mummy (menopause and post menopause)?
This seems a tad alarmist. I mean, if your wife turns into a monster zombie-mummy – as all women apparently do after they hit their mid-thirties – you could always get separate bedrooms.
But Obi-Wan’s Spock’s Disciple has a more radical solution: don’t get into bed with the ladies in the first place!
Pussy is indeed way overrated and if younger men could get a shot of “anti-testosterone” for a few weeks, they could see through the eyes of men who are 40+; without the haze of hormones, you cannot believe how much farther you can see! It’s the difference between seeing the horizon through LA style smog and seeing the horizon from a high mountain in the Rockies.
Pussy is a man’s Achilles heel; once that man realizes this and takes the appropriate steps, he’ll never lose his peace of mind again. To these skeptical young men I say, there is an infinitely vast arena where you can have anything you desire, and can succeed at anything you wish to try for; all you have to do is see women for what they truly are, and become a master of the beast within; once you do that women’s true face will be visible to you, and you’ll never again partake of that foul potion.
It is possible to tame that beast, and indeed it is a certainty that you will learn much from the process of taming it; all it takes is patience and time. Look at your fellow men, your brothers in arms, and look at their almost invisible chains, and wonder at why you would desire such an existence for yourself?
And, hey, if all else fails, MarkyMark adds some advice of his own: pay a visit to Pamela Handerson before going out on the town with one of those vagina-people.
[T]here is one thing that the younger men can do until their sex drives die down permanently: masturbate before going out with a woman. … To put it another way, since the little head had been, shall we say, quieted down, the bigger head could work properly; the bigger head will then allow you to see a woman for who she REALLY is.
If you’re a fan of Spock, and looking for appropriate masturbatory material, might I suggest this?
I wonder if Simon is, in a weird, twisted way, telling us what he thinks we want to hear.
That’s entirely possible. He did basically admit in another thread that he was bullshitting so he spring some sort of logic trap.
“…he [could] spring…”
Of course, that could also have been him weaseling out of what he said again. The bullshit flows in all directions with this guy.
Huh… my tab just says “Remember that pussy…”
Can’t tell whether it’s an imperative, a question, or the title for some really strange porno…
“No that is not the case, it’s because I believe it is the truth and I think that chemical castration is an efficient cure.”
Chemical castration doesn’t get to the root of the problem. There are ethical matters involved (do we really have the right to mutilate someone over putting them in prison for life?) and as CassandraSays already mentioned, it doesn’t necessarily mean that they wont offend again with an object.
“Why am I a creep, answer me that, I have always lived in utmost modesty, I have never in the slightest way tried to use any tactic to pressure a woman to sleep with, let alone used physical force, of course.”
Creep may have been too harsh, though you have said some creepy things in the past on here (the bisexual comments, the animal/consent comments) I want to give you the benefit of the doubt, then again I am known for being too nice sometimes. The thing is, a lot of people who make the argument that rape is about sex are promoting an agenda that is often misogynistic in nature, as it always comes down to putting the responsibility of stopping rape onto the victim.
“Feminists? There are different sorts of feminists, of course those of the sex-positivist variant wouldn’t say such a thing. But why should I care anyway, have I declared feminists as my enemy?”
Well that’s reassuring that you haven’t (I think). What I was trying to explain with that comment though is that it’s hypocritical of MRAs to say rape is a sexual thing then blame feminists for supposedly shaming male sexuality.
“I gave you more reasons than that. And how many female rapists are there? As common as Yetis. There are exception to every rule.”
Regardless of the numbers, you’re still not answering the question. If there are women, who supposedly can get sex more easily than men, are raping, why are they doing so? If it really is about sex, it shouldn’t be hard to find a consensual partner. This can still be applied to even the most unattractive man or woman. If worse comes to worse there’s soliciting a prostitute. This suggests that rape goes beyond, or doesn’t even have anything to do with sexual urges.
You’re also not taking into consideration men who are raped in war by soldiers, children, elderly, and disabled victims. This suggests a sadistic perpetrator who gets off on violence, fear and intimidation of their victims, not normal sexuality.
Huh… my tab just says “Remember that pussy…”
Can’t tell whether it’s an imperative, a question, or the title for some really strange porno…
Maybe it’s a rallying cry, like “Remember the Alamo.”
@CassandraSays
“And the trolls who’re batshit in an entertaining way rather than a depressing way return! You just keep on keeping on, Slavey. Just stay away from the 15 year old girls, OK”
Have feminists instituted a law where I need to actually stay away from, forbidden to talk to, or forbidden to be within a certain radius, say 50 feet of a 15 year old girl. I really wouldn’t put it past them. I saw the other day on one of your misandric MSM newscasts a feminist who is part of a group trying to raise the age of consent nationwide to 18. And the UN is trying to raise it worldwide to 21. Go feminism! Won’t we feel extra secure once we have UN troops kicking about.
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@Raincitygirl
“And if your thesis were correct (which I don’t admit), the only safe solution would be to either chemically castrate all men, or severely limit all men’s exposure to women. Since they’re natural born criminals who can’t help raping and all.”
Well for the greater part of the history of the world most marriages were arranged. Of course the indoctrinated will say this was oppression of women. Somehow a 15 year old girl and a 15 year old boy promised to each other meant womens oppression, meaning every 15 year old girl was an angel and every 15 year old boy was a devil.
Or maybe that icky Christian thingy where you waited until marriage for sex and it was until death do us part. Again, the indoctrinated scream oppression of women. It’ll either be poor women and their all-defining sexual agency crap. Or better yet, legalized rape. Can you imagine? Loving husbands being branded as rapists? Oh yea, you can imagine it, since that is exactly what you’ve said on many occasions. I guess this knowlege was either genetically encoded, or women intuiting they have intuition, intuited this knowlege.
I’m just not sure you can restrain yourself, Slavey, what with your apparent lack of either moral boundaries or impulse control. Remember, a milk technician’s salary probably won’t cover the kind of lawyer you’ll need if you get caught!
damn those 18 year olds…I mean they’re so OLD and GROSS. Don’t even get me started on 21 year olds.
NWO, your objections to DV education would make perfect sense in a world where domestic violence never actually occurred.
Sometimes I envy you your starry-eyed idealism.
“Well for the greater part of the history of the world most marriages were arranged. Of course the indoctrinated will say this was oppression of women. Somehow a 15 year old girl and a 15 year old boy promised to each other meant womens oppression, meaning every 15 year old girl was an angel and every 15 year old boy was a devil.”
Its oppressing for men as well. Forcing someone to marry someone they don’t want to is pretty oppressive for anyone.
But then we’d have to get rid of all of our trolls and what would the lurkers read about?
“damn those 18 year olds…I mean they’re so OLD and GROSS. Don’t even get me started on 21 year olds.”
haha, right quackers? like i’d have to think more about if I think it’s something that should definitely happen but is THAT whats supposed to make me feel bad for men? hell. no. I just can’t reply to a lot of nwo/simon’s stuff cause it’s ridiculous but yes I caught that one too. Then he talks about us as indoctrinated while mentioning religion and arranged marriages? the hell? however i find this happens a lot when talking to more conservative people, usually white men, they see no possibility that it could in fact be that *gasp* THEY’VE probably been indoctrinated by society in some way too! They weren’t just born EXACTLY the way they are and would be no matter where they had been raised.
and i’ve mentioned before i do actually feel really bad for men because of gender roles, as do many people interested in gender equality but NOT for that reason! Also I don’t feel bad for men that boys are taught to be nice and not to hit people. as are girls. are they really teaching 6 year olds specifically about dv? I somehow doubt this considering many adults don’t understand it. at least 6 year olds can probably better understand “don’t hit people when you’re upset”.
Not to mention:
-Most rapists have access to consensual sex.
-The average rapist rapes six victims.
-Most rapists also self-report as people who commit acts of violence.
The whole “rape is just sex for people who can’t have sex with the person they’re attracted to” argument is absolute bullshit and a disgusting lie.
Sure, if you grow up in a complete vacuum, never relating to other people and no understanding up how human interaction works.
Or you’d know the extreme emotional difficulty and drama you’re inviting into your life by doing asinine things like this.
Is there no limit on NWO’s ignorance?
Medical waste is incinerated.
As for the rest, once again he’s Not Even Wrong
You should do a post on John Rambo, regular ZTM commenter. Choice material in the “Why I Made This Site” comments section.
Are you gavomiting?
Also just want to add, another difference between a reasonable person like myself and an MRA. It would’ve helped ME personally and other women i know to have had the legal age of consent be 18. Not hypothetical me or imaginary people i know, real life people. I was raped at 17 by a 25 year old co-worker, had there been another barrier for him to leave me the fuck alone then that would’ve been a good thing. I don’t even care if he’d be in jail or something, I care that it would lower the chance of it happening, it’s about my life not about revenge. That said I still think I might have to think about it (though i know where i’m leaning…) before saying “yes, absolutely, the national age of consent should be 18”. Also where do MRA’s get there news? just curious. cause i haven’t heard anyone talking about half the shit they bring up and the sites they link to are generally quite obscure.
Lol @ your link, Cynickal. I was talking recently about how i want to start whipping out that Billy Madison speech sometimes. That and a little video of Antoine Dobson saying “you are so dumb, you are really dumb” haha.
Man, that Wittgenstein really gets around.
Actually, Russel was a free-loving Communist, so yeah: Sex-Positivism.
Actually… According to what I can find, Slavey doesn’t even have the numbers straight… In the US, about 1.3-ish million abortions are performed, not 1.5. This is compared to around 4.4 million confirmed pregnancies, and to an estimated .9 to 1 million confirmed miscarriages (this doesn’t include the many possible miscarriages that occur without a pregnancy being confirmed).
Only 2% of those abortions happen after 21 weeks (with 28 weeks marking the third trimester), and this includes cases where the mother’s health is in jeopardy or the baby wouldn’t survive birth. Over half are within the first 8 weeks, and 88% are within the first 12-13 weeks.
I’m gonna try appending every off-topic comment with an on-topic one, just for the sake of staying on track, so here goes.
I’m noticing a pattern here, and it’s a pattern that makes me feel like a) these people don’t remember what being a young man is like, and b) these people are trying to beef up their language to convince themselves the grapes are sour. At least for me, sex isn’t some omnipresent haze clouding my mind day in and day out… But it’s more misandry painting men as slaves to sex, then subverting it by saying “but we escaped!” Oi…
Pecunium said: “I spent two-years with someone who didn’t want penetrative sex. When we were cuddling, or snogging, or making out, …”
That bit made me literally weep with happiness and hope 🙂
There’s other men as decent as you out there, too, right?
Long time lurker here. But I must delurk for this one. Good grief, I am so annoyed by the whole men do (undesirable action e.g. Dating sex marriage whatever) because of THE TESTOSTERONE . Attention MRAs: You are not held hostage by your endocrine system. Men are not the only producers of testosterone. It is produced by the adrenal glands, testes and ovaries (made possible by other tropic hormones in the pituitary ). Even men over 40 produce it so the “anti-testosterone” of which you speak would not cause you to in any way to become them. The absence of testosterone does not create an enlightened state but rather one with many problems as testosterone regulates functions other than sex drive.
And finally, women are not hijacking your endocrine system and controlling you through your hormones. God man learn to live in your “biochemical” haze like the rest of us!
>Eat a fish eat a fetus.
NWO, you are in the wrong line of work. Get into advertising!
I hate fish, but I’d think about buying them if the the League of Fish Promotion, or whatever their trade organization is named, adopted this as a slogan.