The daffy, excitable Man Going His Own Way who calls himself MarkyMark may be my favorite manosphere blogger of all. Not only does he bring the lulz himself – who can forget the time he wrote a completely unironic point by point rebuttal of an Onion article? – but he also helps to bring attention to the equally stupefying work of others.
In his latest post, he directs our attention to some observations made by fellow MGTOWer Spock’s Disciple on the Happy Bachelors forum on the subject of pussy and its discontents. “This is good stuff, stuff my boys need to read,” Mark writes. “[Spock’s Disciple], like his hero, applied cold hearted logic when analzying pussy. The Force is STRONG with that one!”
Yes, he actually wrote that. I don’t think it’s a joke. I think he honestly does not know that there is a difference between Star Trek and Star Wars. How that is possible, I do not know.
Anyway, on to the eminently rational Spock’s Disciple, reflecting on the irrational power of the ladybits:
Remember that pussy is a biochemical WMD; wherever it is used, there is mass chaos and destruction. How many wars and conflicts have been fought at the urging and behest of women? More than any honest man would admit to and would be proud of.
Young men are apparently helpless in the face of the punany:
The need for pussy is a very real and built in addiction for men. We are hardwired by nature for sex and procreation. … [T]he sight and sound of pussy blinds younger men and allows them to be controlled by women though their hormones.
The, uh, SOUND of pussy? If I had to pick just two (or three, or four) sensory experiences relating to the vagina that would be generally considered appealing to heterosexual males, I’m not sure “sound” would make the cut.
But eventually even the horniest dudes start to get less horny – and thus less hypnotized by the power of the pussy. The only trouble is that by the time they lose interest in sex most of them are married, and they’re now stuck with the woman whose vagina formerly had them in thrall. It’s a grave injustice.
[W]hen most men pass the age of 30-35, they begin to awaken from this biochemical “dream” and what do they awaken beside? What do married men look forward to the next 30-50 years of their lives? Sleeping with a living corpse, which continues to torture and destroy them day by day? Looking forward to the time when the woman undergoes the process of metamorphosis, into a completely insane mummy (menopause and post menopause)?
This seems a tad alarmist. I mean, if your wife turns into a monster zombie-mummy – as all women apparently do after they hit their mid-thirties – you could always get separate bedrooms.
But Obi-Wan’s Spock’s Disciple has a more radical solution: don’t get into bed with the ladies in the first place!
Pussy is indeed way overrated and if younger men could get a shot of “anti-testosterone” for a few weeks, they could see through the eyes of men who are 40+; without the haze of hormones, you cannot believe how much farther you can see! It’s the difference between seeing the horizon through LA style smog and seeing the horizon from a high mountain in the Rockies.
Pussy is a man’s Achilles heel; once that man realizes this and takes the appropriate steps, he’ll never lose his peace of mind again. To these skeptical young men I say, there is an infinitely vast arena where you can have anything you desire, and can succeed at anything you wish to try for; all you have to do is see women for what they truly are, and become a master of the beast within; once you do that women’s true face will be visible to you, and you’ll never again partake of that foul potion.
It is possible to tame that beast, and indeed it is a certainty that you will learn much from the process of taming it; all it takes is patience and time. Look at your fellow men, your brothers in arms, and look at their almost invisible chains, and wonder at why you would desire such an existence for yourself?
And, hey, if all else fails, MarkyMark adds some advice of his own: pay a visit to Pamela Handerson before going out on the town with one of those vagina-people.
[T]here is one thing that the younger men can do until their sex drives die down permanently: masturbate before going out with a woman. … To put it another way, since the little head had been, shall we say, quieted down, the bigger head could work properly; the bigger head will then allow you to see a woman for who she REALLY is.
If you’re a fan of Spock, and looking for appropriate masturbatory material, might I suggest this?
No, I don’t weasle out, I think this is true… why do you think 99% percent of rapists are men?
Because in addition to being socialized to not respect women as autonomous human beings, many men are taught from a young age that they have no real control over their sexual urges, and take that to mean they’re not really responsible for what they do with them. Like what you’re doing now.
But this is different from justifying rape, totally different. And this is not the first time I said that.
No, it isn’t. And yes, I know it’s not the first time you’ve spewed bullshit. It won’t be the last either.
Erm…this may come as a bit of a shock, but women have sexual desire too.
And if rape is purely a result of uncontrollable libido, why do people who can easily have consensual sex (or even are having consensual sex, often with the person they rape) still rape people?
Also, not that it’s the point of this conversation, but the answer to the question “why do men rape more than women do” is not “because they have stronger urges”.
Just so you know, Simon, an extreme version of any desire is bad because it is extreme, not necessarily because the desire itself is harmful.
Next argument?
@Raincitygirl: I agree–and it’s not even that good a chance from threads being all about MRAL!
Simon, I’m fully aware I live in a world full of bigots. That does not mean I roll out the red carpet and indulge their bullshit while they roll up in here proceed to shit all over the place.
It’s really fucking bad when I think NWO & DKM are better people than you.
Simon is just demonstrating the Reverse Humpty Dumpty. I want to bat someone else around.
DYE:
If she’s not actively resisting, the distinction is academic.
If she is actively resisting, you are a creepy person, please go be creepy somewhere else.
@Quackers:
I would be so happy, if I could believe that. Yet I know that this is not the truth. You know it, too. There are men who have uncontrollable urges, it’s the truth, believe me. Depo-Provera helps them and it lowers their chance to reoffend drastically. It’s not about a choice for some men as it’s not a choice to put the needle in the arm for a heroin addict. I’ve got testicles, too, and they pump this stuff called testosterone in my veins. Though I’ve never in my life felt even the remotest tiniest bit of desire to rape anyone, it’s just a nauseating horrible thought, what those hormones can do to you.
http://www.csun.edu/~psy453/crimes_y.htm
@DYE:
Oh right…
As a member of the set of GUYS, I would like to politely ask that you take your generalizations of me and shove them up your ass.
You know… if everyone is “misreading” you Simon, the more likely explanation is either that we’re reading you correctly or you’re misspeaking. Neither of those things are our fault, or our problem. So you’re either creepy because we’re reading you correctly, or you’re very slightly less creepy because you have zero self-awareness and ability to listen to other people and accurately process their criticisms of you.
Either way, you need more help than you can get from posting to comments threads. In fact, you should stop interacting with people online until after your therapy.
Broseidon: To be fair, some folks here do strike me as the type who’d gleefully stab a man in the gut for looking at them funny, then innocently claim it was self-defense and he totally deserved it. Just sayin’.
[citation needed]
Then give other people with testicles some credit. Sheesh.
Yet I know that this is not the truth. You know it, too.
You know nothing, and assume everything. I’ve said this before, but it bears repeating: SPEAK FOR YOURSELF.
So basically the only solution to Simon’s deep dark fears would be for all men to be put on some sort of SuperDepo?
Funny thing – for all the MRA babble about evil feminists wanting to hurt men, this solution is completely unacceptable to me, a feminist. In part because it would be cruel, and in part because it’s not necessary, since most men are able to control their “urges” without medical intervention. Also, as we can see from cases where chemical castration has been tried, the “urges” aren’t the real problem, therefore chemical castration isn’t a cure. There have been sex offenders put on chemical castration who’ve still managed to offend even though they can’t get an erection. (One guy did it with a broom handle).
Once again, for the gazzillionth time – sexual urges are not the problem here.
Simon, there isn’t an award for Worst Bullshit on the Internet. Find something else to do.
@Raincitygirl: I agree–and it’s not even that good a chance from threads being all about MRAL!
For me, choosing between a thread infested with MRAL or a thread infested with Simon is like choosing between prawns and calamari. I don’t like either, and no matter what kind of sauce they put on it, I’d still rather have chicken.
I think there should be a dedicated troll thread where Simon and MRAL and that Meller guy can all hang out together, along with any decent human beings who want a chew toy. and the rest of us could get on with having actual conversations in the other threads.
One possible solution would be for us all to agree to just ignore the trolls. If no one responds to them surely they’ll get bored eventually and go away?
(But sometimes it’s so tempting, damn it.)
At his worst MRAL is just kind of laughably pathetic. This guy is infuriating. For me, anyway.
Simon’s whole fear of extreme feelings is just… stupid. Some people are alcoholics, the way their bodies work make them prone to addiction. They are the ones that need to stay away from alcohol, or find some way to manage that addiction. Others are perfectly capable of drinking in moderation, they are fine. The existence of the former doesn’t alone mean that drinking is some terrible force.
Even supposing that there are some guys out there for whom the urge for sex is so damn strong that they literally cannot control their bodies when in the presence of a female… what they need is help to curb that urge, be it medication or what-have-you. It does not mean that horniness is some dangerous thing universally.
This ties into the OP actually, and is one of my pet peeves/annoyances about my gender. The stereotype is that guys are completely helpless in the face of pussy, that they become slathering beasts are mindless automatons whose sole purpose is to get their dick wet. This is exasperated by stories about guys who break a condom but don’t say anything, or who don’t pull out because they claim they are literally physically incapable of doing so.
I can’t possibly be the only guy out their for whom this is bullshit. I can’t possibly be in the minority either… Yet hearing the constant yammerings of MRAs being hypnotized by their desire makes me fear that I am in the minority… that it really is true that the rest of my sex is vagina as Superman is to kryptonite. This, if anything, is a perfect of misandry in the MRM.
@ Dracula – This one in particular bothers me because I feel like this is the embryonic stage of what often later becomes a full blown misogynist of the dangerous kind. It’s the fact that many of his ideas aren’t exactly unheard of that’s troubling. He’s not the first young man I’ve known who’s uncomfortable with his sexuality and projecting that discomfort onto other people in all kinds of fucked up ways.
Simon:
OH MY GOD, THAT STEVEN PINKER EXCERPT IS SUCH FUCKING LYING BULLSHIT.
Seriously, dude, what the fuck.
@Improbable Joe:
I may need therapy, but you need it too, because to refuse to look at the truth. You are just part of an institutionalized insanity, which is much worse.
@Dracula:
I back it up with stats, I back it up with arguments, didn’t you read Stephen Pinker’s article? There are even studies that there’s a negative correlation between availability of prostitution and rape!
@CassandraSays:
You live in a fantasy world. You know that to every rule, there are always exceptions. If you read what sexual offenders have to say about their urges and fantasies and how that changes after Depo-Provera, you would be appalled! Do you think, they are all lying? There are men who have extremely strong uncontrollable urges which makes them lose their sanity and these urges are removed by chemical castration.
There is some truth in this “Remember that pussy is a biochemical WMD” stuff. Some truth, it’s grotesquely overdrawn, but there’s some truth.
I can’t possibly be the only guy out their for whom this is bullshit. I can’t possibly be in the minority either… Yet hearing the constant yammerings of MRAs being hypnotized by their desire makes me fear that I am in the minority… that it really is true that the rest of my sex is vagina as Superman is to kryptonite. This, if anything, is a perfect of misandry in the MRM.
I know it’s not true of me, I don’t believe it’s actually true of the majority either. It’s just an all-too-popular excuse to act like an asshole.
Cassandra: Yeah, the average run-of-the-mill misogynist at least has a chance of growing up eventually. Guys like Simon, or Samuel? Their shit is pathological. Dude needs help, and real help, not chemical castration and quackery.
Simon, my degree is in Psychology. As part of that, I studied criminal psychology. I know a lot more about this stuff than you do.
@ Dracula – Did you see the latest comment? Men’s urges tend towards the pathological, according to Simon, and yet what this tells us is that vaginas are kind of like WMD.
Huh? That level of displacement of responsibility from men onto women (and children, if we’re talking about sex offenders as a whole) is so ridiculous that it crosses the line from sexism into mental illness.