The daffy, excitable Man Going His Own Way who calls himself MarkyMark may be my favorite manosphere blogger of all. Not only does he bring the lulz himself – who can forget the time he wrote a completely unironic point by point rebuttal of an Onion article? – but he also helps to bring attention to the equally stupefying work of others.
In his latest post, he directs our attention to some observations made by fellow MGTOWer Spock’s Disciple on the Happy Bachelors forum on the subject of pussy and its discontents. “This is good stuff, stuff my boys need to read,” Mark writes. “[Spock’s Disciple], like his hero, applied cold hearted logic when analzying pussy. The Force is STRONG with that one!”
Yes, he actually wrote that. I don’t think it’s a joke. I think he honestly does not know that there is a difference between Star Trek and Star Wars. How that is possible, I do not know.
Anyway, on to the eminently rational Spock’s Disciple, reflecting on the irrational power of the ladybits:
Remember that pussy is a biochemical WMD; wherever it is used, there is mass chaos and destruction. How many wars and conflicts have been fought at the urging and behest of women? More than any honest man would admit to and would be proud of.
Young men are apparently helpless in the face of the punany:
The need for pussy is a very real and built in addiction for men. We are hardwired by nature for sex and procreation. … [T]he sight and sound of pussy blinds younger men and allows them to be controlled by women though their hormones.
The, uh, SOUND of pussy? If I had to pick just two (or three, or four) sensory experiences relating to the vagina that would be generally considered appealing to heterosexual males, I’m not sure “sound” would make the cut.
But eventually even the horniest dudes start to get less horny – and thus less hypnotized by the power of the pussy. The only trouble is that by the time they lose interest in sex most of them are married, and they’re now stuck with the woman whose vagina formerly had them in thrall. It’s a grave injustice.
[W]hen most men pass the age of 30-35, they begin to awaken from this biochemical “dream” and what do they awaken beside? What do married men look forward to the next 30-50 years of their lives? Sleeping with a living corpse, which continues to torture and destroy them day by day? Looking forward to the time when the woman undergoes the process of metamorphosis, into a completely insane mummy (menopause and post menopause)?
This seems a tad alarmist. I mean, if your wife turns into a monster zombie-mummy – as all women apparently do after they hit their mid-thirties – you could always get separate bedrooms.
But Obi-Wan’s Spock’s Disciple has a more radical solution: don’t get into bed with the ladies in the first place!
Pussy is indeed way overrated and if younger men could get a shot of “anti-testosterone” for a few weeks, they could see through the eyes of men who are 40+; without the haze of hormones, you cannot believe how much farther you can see! It’s the difference between seeing the horizon through LA style smog and seeing the horizon from a high mountain in the Rockies.
Pussy is a man’s Achilles heel; once that man realizes this and takes the appropriate steps, he’ll never lose his peace of mind again. To these skeptical young men I say, there is an infinitely vast arena where you can have anything you desire, and can succeed at anything you wish to try for; all you have to do is see women for what they truly are, and become a master of the beast within; once you do that women’s true face will be visible to you, and you’ll never again partake of that foul potion.
It is possible to tame that beast, and indeed it is a certainty that you will learn much from the process of taming it; all it takes is patience and time. Look at your fellow men, your brothers in arms, and look at their almost invisible chains, and wonder at why you would desire such an existence for yourself?
And, hey, if all else fails, MarkyMark adds some advice of his own: pay a visit to Pamela Handerson before going out on the town with one of those vagina-people.
[T]here is one thing that the younger men can do until their sex drives die down permanently: masturbate before going out with a woman. … To put it another way, since the little head had been, shall we say, quieted down, the bigger head could work properly; the bigger head will then allow you to see a woman for who she REALLY is.
If you’re a fan of Spock, and looking for appropriate masturbatory material, might I suggest this?
By the way Simon, if you’re trying imply that I don’t know what real sexual frustration is, don’t fucking bother.
You know, maybe we female commenters should step back for a while and let the guys bat Simon around like a particularly stubborn football. It’s not like he’s going to listen to anything a woman has to say on this subject, since clearly we cannot fathom the overwhelming male libido. But another man can, right? And yet they still don’t all seem to agree with Simon.
@Improbable Joe:
Nonsense, I’m very happy that women don’t want to have sex with me (or I don’t know if they want it, but at least they didn’t “approach” me except from some single isolated occasions). My god, are you paranoid to think that I want women to be forced to serve my “sexual needs”! For Christ sake, what’s wrong with you, I didn’t write any of that stuff. And stop calling me a loser.
@CassandraSays:
It’s very sad, that you think that way about me. I would never do such a thing, I can promise you that with all my heart, please believe me. You just can’t make such accusation just because I wrote something in a theoretical manner. That was a thought experiment, speculation, you know? That’s what I do most of the time, but you alway think there’s some hidden evil motivation, that really hurts me.
“That’s funny, because you strike me as the type who’d body-paint himself entirely as a zebra and climb the Empire State Building while throwing increasingly dangerous-to-pedestrians pamphlets promoting homeopathy at the sidewalk, and other stuff I just completely made up.”
Best laugh I had all day.
Also, Simon unravels…well, ok, it was only a matter of time, but still. And I’m still disturbed by how innocently he states it all. I mean, it’s like hearing Mister Rogers do an audio podcast of Lolita.
Simon – When you “just ask questions” that are never things like “what do you people believe about sexual consent?” but things like “well, what if a man was really sexually frustrated and no one would sleep with him, what do you think he should do then?” those aren’t just questions.
I never thought I’d say this, but… I don’t believe you’re that stupid.
Aw, I hurt Simon, the person who described bisexual women such as myself as potential molesters of his disabled sister. I feel so bad.
Also, honestly, the underyling implications of your arguments really aren’t all that hidden. If you honestly fail to see what you’re implying then you may simply not be intelligent enough to participate in this kind of conversation.
That was a thought experiment, speculation, you know? That’s what I do most of the time, but you alway think there’s some hidden evil motivation, that really hurts me.
There’s a word for that. It’s called “trolling”.
(But I don’t think you’re actually that stupid, I think you’re just trying to weasel out of admitting what you’re really saying now that people have called you out on it.)
Simon: Why are you here?
Literally, here, on this site.
Of all the blogs in the blogosphere, why did you waltz into this one?
Did you find a link to it somewhere? If so, where?
What are you hoping to gain from your sojourn here?
Funny thing is, if I remember correctly (SPOILER ALERT: I do.), trolling is something you were vehemently being guilty of not too long ago, on this very website. What do you make of that, Simon? Care to try and make sense this contradictory information?
Ithilliana, they NEVER want to answer that question.
@ithiliana:
It was because I wanted to inform me about some issues and so I came into contact with this MRA movement, that was a good time ago and so later I also found by a google search this one here.
But I’ll go… I’ll go, you don’t like me, I know that now.
@Holly Pervocracy:
These words were not meant that way, I beg you to believe me, please, this was an attempt to prove that sexual desire is negative, it was in no way meant to justify rape.
@CassandraSays:
You massively distort my argument. I would never fear that you would molest my sister, I just said that I feel uncomfortable that there might be sexual desire towards. That’s very different. I’m very uncomfortable with that idea.
@Dracula:
I’ve never understood this sexual frustration thing, I don’t feel frustrated, sometimes I have short sexually charged thoughts, which can happen a couple of times in a month, but I never experienced any ongoing sexual frustration, it’s just that I feel negative about this kind of sexual desire when you’re actually having sex. But I’ll shut up, you get so damn angry about everything.
Sexual desire isn’t inherently negative though, is the thing. If it feels negative to you when you experience it then that doesn’t mean that everyone else is failing to realize how negative it is, it means that you need therapy to figure out why it feels negative to you.
Poor snookums. All he did was justify rape and attack gay people (oh, no, I mean he asked questions justifying rape and attacking gay people, he just wanted to know about these things, that’s all) and people were mean to him.
Snookums shouldn’t have to think difficult thoughts like “what if some of those people were rape survivors and/or gay?”, certainly.
I mean, mean words! Poor snookums.
Can David please just ban this moron already? Not because he’s icky, but because every single comment thread in which he posts (which, oh hey, seems to be every single comment thread) somehow turns into being All. About. Simon.
@Holly Pervocracy:
Please, I want you to believe me that I absolutely didn’t want to justify rape, because this is not true. Absolutely not, and I want you to believe me. And I’m sorry for everything bad I said about gay people, I want to apologize for that earnestly.
Sexual desire may be a negative thing for you, Simon, but when you agree with the notion that men are inherently prone to rape, you’re not only weaseling out of responsibility for your own emotional problems, you’re saying shit about men in general I find extremely fucking offensive, given that I am one.
So yes, I get angry about a lot of things you say. A lot things you say are insulting.
No, I don’t. Most people want to have sex and, if they’re dating other people, it means that they are interested in those people.
Aw, he’s apologizing earnestly for being a bigot.
Awwww… poor Simon, I called him a name when he said that rape is inevitable if women don’t give a hypothetical man(NOT HIM!!!) sex.
But yeah, Raincitygirl has a point too. Simon turns comment threads into “look at me hypothetically defend the worst possible off-topic position so I can play victim when people criticize me” nonsense.
@Dracula:
No, I don’t weasle out, I think this is true… why do you think 99% percent of rapists are men?
But this is different from justifying rape, totally different. And this is not the first time I said that. I think Steven Pinker makes a hell of a lot more sense than you.
You can read an excerpt from him here:
http://robertwiblin.wordpress.com/2010/05/25/steven-pinker-on-the-motivations-for-violence/
Simon, in all seriousness, I also think you need to see a therapist. I’m not trying to be mean when I’m saying this, but it really seems like you have issues regarding sex and human sexuality which would be best resolved in therapy.
And no, men are not prone to rape. Choosing to rape is exactly that, a choice. Its very insulting to say something like that, both to rape victims and to the majority of men in the world who don’t rape. The irony in all this is that MRAs will completely ignore your comment and still keep spreading the lie that feminists think all men are rapists.
@hellkell:
Yeah, I said something negative about gay marriage. I’m a horrible bigot, I’m a second Hitler. But how did they vote in the referendums about gay marriage?
=> YOU LIVE IN A WORLD FULL OF BIGOTS.
I don’t want to live in this world.
Thank you.
@Joe:
Hello dear, could you please quote me where I said that? And not where you think I might have said this implicitly in weird imagination?
People, did you realize that thirst is a terrible thing?
Yes. I didn’t have any water for the past day or so. Then, earlier today I found, at least for me, a stunningly delicious looking lemonade with ice, *fast forward* and then when I brought the glass up to my lips, felt the cool liquid seeping down my parched throat etc. etc. yes, that was a really strong desire which I felt then.
The thing is, how strong would this desire be if we multiply it by ten times? Or fifty times? Or a hundred times? At some point, that’s just logical, it might be so strong that it can be difficult to control. That’s the most simple, obvious reasoning possible.
Therefore thirst is addictive and harmful.
“Find me a quote” pretty much just means “you now work for me.”
If you don’t want to be seen as a bigot, just stop arguing. Back off. Go to a different website. Don’t come back, or come back to participate in good faith in the discussion about the actual post. (“Don’t come back” might be simpler.)
But you’re not going to convince us you were a lovely person all along so stop trying.