The daffy, excitable Man Going His Own Way who calls himself MarkyMark may be my favorite manosphere blogger of all. Not only does he bring the lulz himself – who can forget the time he wrote a completely unironic point by point rebuttal of an Onion article? – but he also helps to bring attention to the equally stupefying work of others.
In his latest post, he directs our attention to some observations made by fellow MGTOWer Spock’s Disciple on the Happy Bachelors forum on the subject of pussy and its discontents. “This is good stuff, stuff my boys need to read,” Mark writes. “[Spock’s Disciple], like his hero, applied cold hearted logic when analzying pussy. The Force is STRONG with that one!”
Yes, he actually wrote that. I don’t think it’s a joke. I think he honestly does not know that there is a difference between Star Trek and Star Wars. How that is possible, I do not know.
Anyway, on to the eminently rational Spock’s Disciple, reflecting on the irrational power of the ladybits:
Remember that pussy is a biochemical WMD; wherever it is used, there is mass chaos and destruction. How many wars and conflicts have been fought at the urging and behest of women? More than any honest man would admit to and would be proud of.
Young men are apparently helpless in the face of the punany:
The need for pussy is a very real and built in addiction for men. We are hardwired by nature for sex and procreation. … [T]he sight and sound of pussy blinds younger men and allows them to be controlled by women though their hormones.
The, uh, SOUND of pussy? If I had to pick just two (or three, or four) sensory experiences relating to the vagina that would be generally considered appealing to heterosexual males, I’m not sure “sound” would make the cut.
But eventually even the horniest dudes start to get less horny – and thus less hypnotized by the power of the pussy. The only trouble is that by the time they lose interest in sex most of them are married, and they’re now stuck with the woman whose vagina formerly had them in thrall. It’s a grave injustice.
[W]hen most men pass the age of 30-35, they begin to awaken from this biochemical “dream” and what do they awaken beside? What do married men look forward to the next 30-50 years of their lives? Sleeping with a living corpse, which continues to torture and destroy them day by day? Looking forward to the time when the woman undergoes the process of metamorphosis, into a completely insane mummy (menopause and post menopause)?
This seems a tad alarmist. I mean, if your wife turns into a monster zombie-mummy – as all women apparently do after they hit their mid-thirties – you could always get separate bedrooms.
But Obi-Wan’s Spock’s Disciple has a more radical solution: don’t get into bed with the ladies in the first place!
Pussy is indeed way overrated and if younger men could get a shot of “anti-testosterone” for a few weeks, they could see through the eyes of men who are 40+; without the haze of hormones, you cannot believe how much farther you can see! It’s the difference between seeing the horizon through LA style smog and seeing the horizon from a high mountain in the Rockies.
Pussy is a man’s Achilles heel; once that man realizes this and takes the appropriate steps, he’ll never lose his peace of mind again. To these skeptical young men I say, there is an infinitely vast arena where you can have anything you desire, and can succeed at anything you wish to try for; all you have to do is see women for what they truly are, and become a master of the beast within; once you do that women’s true face will be visible to you, and you’ll never again partake of that foul potion.
It is possible to tame that beast, and indeed it is a certainty that you will learn much from the process of taming it; all it takes is patience and time. Look at your fellow men, your brothers in arms, and look at their almost invisible chains, and wonder at why you would desire such an existence for yourself?
And, hey, if all else fails, MarkyMark adds some advice of his own: pay a visit to Pamela Handerson before going out on the town with one of those vagina-people.
[T]here is one thing that the younger men can do until their sex drives die down permanently: masturbate before going out with a woman. … To put it another way, since the little head had been, shall we say, quieted down, the bigger head could work properly; the bigger head will then allow you to see a woman for who she REALLY is.
If you’re a fan of Spock, and looking for appropriate masturbatory material, might I suggest this?
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@Holly Pervocracy:
What if they don’t hate women but can’t get any sex? What would be your advise?
LOL! (points at comment above) Anyone else want some popcorn?
Simon, there’s always masturbation.
What if they don’t hate women but can’t get any sex? What would be your advise?
This is a very complex question with no 100% guaranteed answer, but also irrelevant because the dudes in the OP do hate women.
Also, almost anyone can get sex. These guys can have physical pleasure and orgasms; no one’s denying them that. What they’re not entitled to–what no one is entitled to no matter how nice a person they are–is sex with another person.
It’s impossible to ethically control another person, and thus impossible to ethically “get sex” with 100% certainty. They could always say no for any reason or for no reason at all, and there is no secret method to prevent that.
In all seriousness though, that question carries the undercurrent of “what do you mean women are people with desires of their own?”. Combined with the stuff about zoophilia, Simon is starting to seriously creep me out.
Real Dolls are a thing in the world, and they have the advantage of no one being hurt in their use.
Did Simon actually go there? Really?
@Holly Pervocracy:
Sex or masturbation?
And here you have it, an urge of that strength that can’t be satisfied by impersonal resources is a dark force, to deny that defies all the wisdom of the ages.
I think greed for money is a more noble feeling than sexual desire.
Masturbation is sex! And for most people, it’s better than having partnered sex with someone you don’t like.
What does this even mean? Except I see that I’m going against “all the wisdom of the ages,” so I’m supposed to back down even though the wisdom of my ages says something very different.
Anyway, what I’m reading here (admittedly it’s difficult) is “men will rape if women don’t sleep with them, because it’s impossible to just not have partnered sex.” Which is bullshit, and scary bullshit, and I’m having trouble finding another interpretation.
…Are you Samuel?
Sexual desire is a lovely thing. Sexual desire coupled with the belief that only partnered sex makes you a Real Man, coupled with a feeling of entitlement that no mere woman has the right to take away your chance at being a Real Man–now that’s a dark dangerous thing. But only that specific combination.
So Simon, are you saying that men are inherently prone to rape? Because if it is the male sexual desire that it the issue, then it would be stupid to give more than a brief mention of women in the conversation because men are responsible for their urges, not women.
Let’s see how many disconnected metaphors were in that brief “paragraph”. Okay, pussy is an achilles heel. Life is a vast arena. Sexual desire is a beast that needs mastering. Women have two faces. Women or pussy is a foul potion. These things are related how? Okay, one might fight a beast in an arena, but not to master it, and not to learn about potions. Achilles has nothing to do with arenas, potions, or beasts, but tangentally is related to fighting. Arenas and potions aren’t really related either. Potions don’t have faces and aren’t related to heels, though in video games they can be related to weaknesses.
Shit, maybe the fucking force thing was not a confusion of Star Wars and Star Trek, but rather another confused metaphor.
@Improbable Joe:
Yes, I would say that. It seems plausible if you ever experienced strong sexual desire.
No, we should help them as we do with drug addicts.
@Holly Pervocracy:
I am not Samuel, don’t ask me that over and over again. I don’t even know this Samuel!
“And here you have it, an urge of that strength that can’t be satisfied by impersonal resources is a dark force, to deny that defies all the wisdom of the ages.”
? It’s only a dark force if you take the desire and do something bad with it. The desire itself is morally neutral.
You guys, I really don’t think there’s any point in engaging with Simon any further. His way of thinking about sexuality is pretty much messed up beyond all repair.
(Though given his apparent lack of understanding about how consent works I can see why he thinks his own sexuality is a dark force. I would certainly be a little concerned for anyone who attempted to enagage with him in a sexual way.)
” “So Simon, are you saying that men are inherently prone to rape?”
Yes, I would say that. It seems plausible if you ever experienced strong sexual desire.”
Eeeeeeewwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwww!!!!!!!
Also, wow, that’s seriously fucking insulting to half the human race. I know plenty of men who aren’t prone to rape.
And if your thesis were correct (which I don’t admit), the only safe solution would be to either chemically castrate all men, or severely limit all men’s exposure to women. Since they’re natural born criminals who can’t help raping and all.
Sounds like Simon’s a rapist in training, and he’s already working on his legal defense. Also he’s a moron.
Dudebro, you need to see a psychologist and/or psychiatrist, at least once a week until they determine whether you can be fixed, or if you should be committed. Seriously, and no hyperbole here. There’s something profoundly broken in your brain.
Also, it’s always very telling, and very disturbing, when men make this argument. Basically what they’re saying is that if women don’t give men enough sex then men will rape, so women should be somehow compelled to give men more sex. The fact that compelling women to have sex with men when they don’t want to is, you know, rape, doesn’t seem to occur to them.
I’ve been saying this about Simon for a while – he does not grok consent, at all. Simon, you are a creepy bastard. Go away.
Also, to quote Adam Carolla on intercourse versus masturbation: “Sex is good… but it’s not the real thing.” 🙂
“Masturbation is sex! And for most people, it’s better than having partnered sex with someone you don’t like.”
No and No. Most GUYS would rather screw an attractive woman they don’t like than to masturbate.
@CassandraSays:
When I say “Do you want to ***” and I hear a “Yes” from a person over 18, that’s consent to me.
Just because I said this thing about animals… yes they can’t consent, I accept that, but you kill them for your food… which I do not. I don’t think this *** is animal abuse, animals feel no pain for many things. If I say to a mouse horrible insults I don’t cause suffering by that.
Cassandra, Simon seems to also be blaming women for rape, along the lines of “well, if women don’t want to get raped, they might want to consider putting out more, and with guys they don’t find particularly appealing. Men are going to get their way, either way, so might as well close your eyes and accept the inevitable.”
Damn… I feel dirty just imagining what Simon must have simmering in his cesspool of a mind.
DYE – Why? I’m honestly curious.
What’s the point? Is it physical? Obviously a person can touch you in ways you can’t touch yourself, but for me, being touched by someone I don’t like gives me the crawlies.
Is it emotional? Sex can make me feel closer to someone or make me feel loved and attractive, but I don’t want to be close to people I don’t like, and I don’t want them to love or be attracted to me.
Or is it the god damn “status”/”real man” thing, where what matters is your “conquest” of the woman, and the actual sex is just a glum necessity to seal the deal?
I don’t want to hug someone I don’t like, so the idea of doing the naked hug with them is profoundly unappealing, and I don’t see why men would feel differently.
Also, today I learned it is okay with Simon if I insult a mouse.
FUCK YOU MOUSE. YOU LITTLE MOUSE ASSHOLE. GO STICK YOUR HEAD IN A TRAP, MOUSE.
…I feel oddly guilty.
Or those men could earn enough money to get a Real Doll! No one is hurt, the dude is happy, the economy is helped!
You can backpedal all you want, Simon, but you just revealed exactly how you think about sex above, and it’s the mindset of a rapist through and through.
Also, again with the irrelevant analogies. Now if this was a discussion about cannabalism…