The daffy, excitable Man Going His Own Way who calls himself MarkyMark may be my favorite manosphere blogger of all. Not only does he bring the lulz himself – who can forget the time he wrote a completely unironic point by point rebuttal of an Onion article? – but he also helps to bring attention to the equally stupefying work of others.
In his latest post, he directs our attention to some observations made by fellow MGTOWer Spock’s Disciple on the Happy Bachelors forum on the subject of pussy and its discontents. “This is good stuff, stuff my boys need to read,” Mark writes. “[Spock’s Disciple], like his hero, applied cold hearted logic when analzying pussy. The Force is STRONG with that one!”
Yes, he actually wrote that. I don’t think it’s a joke. I think he honestly does not know that there is a difference between Star Trek and Star Wars. How that is possible, I do not know.
Anyway, on to the eminently rational Spock’s Disciple, reflecting on the irrational power of the ladybits:
Remember that pussy is a biochemical WMD; wherever it is used, there is mass chaos and destruction. How many wars and conflicts have been fought at the urging and behest of women? More than any honest man would admit to and would be proud of.
Young men are apparently helpless in the face of the punany:
The need for pussy is a very real and built in addiction for men. We are hardwired by nature for sex and procreation. … [T]he sight and sound of pussy blinds younger men and allows them to be controlled by women though their hormones.
The, uh, SOUND of pussy? If I had to pick just two (or three, or four) sensory experiences relating to the vagina that would be generally considered appealing to heterosexual males, I’m not sure “sound” would make the cut.
But eventually even the horniest dudes start to get less horny – and thus less hypnotized by the power of the pussy. The only trouble is that by the time they lose interest in sex most of them are married, and they’re now stuck with the woman whose vagina formerly had them in thrall. It’s a grave injustice.
[W]hen most men pass the age of 30-35, they begin to awaken from this biochemical “dream” and what do they awaken beside? What do married men look forward to the next 30-50 years of their lives? Sleeping with a living corpse, which continues to torture and destroy them day by day? Looking forward to the time when the woman undergoes the process of metamorphosis, into a completely insane mummy (menopause and post menopause)?
This seems a tad alarmist. I mean, if your wife turns into a monster zombie-mummy – as all women apparently do after they hit their mid-thirties – you could always get separate bedrooms.
But Obi-Wan’s Spock’s Disciple has a more radical solution: don’t get into bed with the ladies in the first place!
Pussy is indeed way overrated and if younger men could get a shot of “anti-testosterone” for a few weeks, they could see through the eyes of men who are 40+; without the haze of hormones, you cannot believe how much farther you can see! It’s the difference between seeing the horizon through LA style smog and seeing the horizon from a high mountain in the Rockies.
Pussy is a man’s Achilles heel; once that man realizes this and takes the appropriate steps, he’ll never lose his peace of mind again. To these skeptical young men I say, there is an infinitely vast arena where you can have anything you desire, and can succeed at anything you wish to try for; all you have to do is see women for what they truly are, and become a master of the beast within; once you do that women’s true face will be visible to you, and you’ll never again partake of that foul potion.
It is possible to tame that beast, and indeed it is a certainty that you will learn much from the process of taming it; all it takes is patience and time. Look at your fellow men, your brothers in arms, and look at their almost invisible chains, and wonder at why you would desire such an existence for yourself?
And, hey, if all else fails, MarkyMark adds some advice of his own: pay a visit to Pamela Handerson before going out on the town with one of those vagina-people.
[T]here is one thing that the younger men can do until their sex drives die down permanently: masturbate before going out with a woman. … To put it another way, since the little head had been, shall we say, quieted down, the bigger head could work properly; the bigger head will then allow you to see a woman for who she REALLY is.
If you’re a fan of Spock, and looking for appropriate masturbatory material, might I suggest this?
Hershele Ostropoler: The interesting thing (to me) is how short the comment that seems to be replying to was. So he was saying I asked boring questions, because that’s all I was doing, asking questions.
They were even questions about Brandon, but that, it seems, is boring.
@Pecunium: No that’s me claiming I have an opposing and dissenting view…not special.
Why use them? Because it allows people to set preconceived notions to what you actually believe.
So you know me so well? Then please enlighten me as to what my beliefs are…cause I bet you will hack them up and make wild and extreme claims.
I do think that feminism is losing momentum. There are attractive feminists. There are man-hating feminists and non man-hating ones. In fact here is a perfect example of a feminist advocating men to die:
http://evebitfirst.wordpress.com/2010/10/07/a-rant/
And since mainstream feminism rarely comes out and says we don’t support that kind of thinking, I can only assume that 1) they are oblivious to it or 2) that they actually condone that thinking.
Here is another classic from the man hater:
http://evebitfirst.wordpress.com/2011/05/18/a-man-is-a-rape-supporter-if/
“He has ever sexually engaged with any woman while she was underage, drunk, high, physically restrained, unconscious, or subjected to psychological, physical, economic, or emotional coercion.”
In fact, The Amazing Atheist is probably as close as you can get to what I think feminism is:
A Man Is A Rape Supporter If…:
Sexism:
And the whole ridiculous Rebecca Watson crap:
Here is another classic from the man hater:
http://evebitfirst.wordpress.com/2011/05/18/a-man-is-a-rape-supporter-if/
I read that entire list, and can only conclude that my wife is unambiguously a “rape supporter”, and for a number of reasons.
And there I was thinking I’d married a feminist. Truly, you learn something new every day.
Oh, and it seems I’m a “rape supporter” too. Oh well, c’est la vie.
Yick. Brandon, given your track record, I doubt anyone is going to watch your 40 minutes of videos.
I notice Brandon can’t discern a difference between gossiping and talking about gossip: He can’t distinguish between “We can learn a lot by watching Britney Spears” and “We can learn a lot by observing cultural reactions to Britney Spears.”
So you know me so well? Then please enlighten me as to what my beliefs are…cause I bet you will hack them up and make wild and extreme claims.
does ur-solipsism qualify as a belief structure?
Brandon: Show me where I said I know what your beliefs are?
What I said is that I have a pretty good idea of how you think. I don’t pretend to know what you think about specific things you’ve not talked about.
And there is no point to discussing the things I have learned about you, because 1: I know my limits (the best I can do is paint broad strokes from things you have said [ and you’ve said a lot], which isn’t anything much). To claim I know your exact thoughts on anything is a waste of my time. It’s a game only you can win.
But I’ve seen you in action, and that tells me a lot about your personality. I know what my skills are, and I know I can, in person, find out what you think about things. But I’ve been trained to do that. I’ve been trained to teach other people to do that.
So go ahead, claim your victory. I can’t stop you. But ponder this… when asked directly what you believe about things… you bailed. You said it was boring. It wasn’t until I started talking about you that you responded.
And it wasn’t to tell me anything I didn’t already know. Everything you said in your most recent comment, is prefigured in the discussion.
I don’t think you have any real idea what you think. It’s all ad hoc decisions, based on the mood of the moment and, “what will make Brandon feel good”. You can make longer term plans but I don’t think they are based on principles, it’s not a case of, “is this wrong,” more on the order of, “will this cause Ashley to dump me? Is is worth it if she does?”.
Selfish Hedonism is the most consistent theme to all the things you have said, from marriage, to the draft, to work, to protecting yourself from accusations of rape. Even to your ideas of the economy.
That’s why Nobinayamu compared you to a teenager, and why others call you a douchebag. If it’s not good for Brandon, right now, you don’t give a damn.
Brandon: Why use them? Because it allows people to set preconceived notions to what you actually believe.
This might be a bit of projection.
I’m a veteran. What doe that say about my beliefs?
I’m a science fiction fan. What does that say about my beliefs.
I have been a member of the Society of Professional Journalists. What does that say about my beliefs?
I am a Californian. What does that say about my beliefs?
I am Roman Catholic. What does that say about my beliefs?
I am an individual. I am a concantation of things. If you are going to (and you say you do this) pigeonhole people based on what you thing those aspects they mention to you mean they think (e.g. your reaction to women who say they are feminists); and if you are going to go out of your way to test for those labels (e.g. your, “smoking them out”, to get admissions… which you say you do in very short order), then what you are is self-absorbed.
When the things you think are true (e.g. the beliefs you have about “socialists”) aren’t unique views to you, but (as expressed) are just the talking points of people those groups oppose… it’s not so much individualism I see, as the usual sort of American Delusions about being a free-thinker, as you go along with a crowd.
Yep. I certainly don’t call Brandon childish because I want to demean him — some children are perfectly lovely people — but because he legitimately seems to be stuck in that “selfish hedonism” developmental stage where kids haven’t quite grasped that other people have needs and wants, and where kids don’t fully understand that cooperation and social capital and “paying it forward” are more important (and more beneficial) than just grabbing all the toys and stashing them for your own use. :p
You hate pot-smoking hippies and are physically fit!
You love to smoke pot in your mom’s basement and are fat!
You have all the gay sex.
You have none of the gay sex.
…Nailed it!
Pecunium, all those things say “leftist” to me.
FFS, Brandon. The reason I do not call myself a Roman Catholic is that I fail the crucial test of RC belief by NOT BELIEVING IN GOD. It would be factually wrong to call myself RC.
You might say you think women are people, but based solely on how you’ve behaved and what you’ve chosen to write here on Manboobz, I don’t think you really understand that anyone other than yourself is a person. You seem to value others only as far as they do something for you and have zero concern for their well-being, needs, or rights.
Or what Nobinayamu said about selfish hedonism.
Anyway, you fail at feminism. Which is fine, because you don’t want to be one anyway!
Sorry, what Pecunium said about selfish hedonism.
Now excuse me, I’m going to watch X-files and eat cupcakes.
I’m confused by Brandon. He seems to be repeating a sort-of-kind-of appeal to authority by constantly posting videos of people he agrees with about feminism. Except that none of the sources he using for the appeal are actually authorities. And most of them are pretty unbearable.
I’d also raise the concern that using solely white heterosexual males as your reference for feminism has it’s own unfortunate implications…maybe I’m reading too much into it.
Hershele Ostropoler: Really? Leftist… absent other evidence, the best ,guess would be a bit right of center. Veteran and RC tend to be a bit right inclining, and Calif. Has a huge number of conservatives.
Drier, Polombo, Reagan, etc.
So the question is SF Fan, and that’s a huge gamut.
Brandon watches the Amazing Atheist? I wish I were surprised.
Caraz: That’s because Brandon chooses the best of the philosophies he looks at. The best of feminism, and the best of the anti-feminists. You may rest assured he has looked into both in great detail, and this is as good as the critiques get.
I want to give that guy a bottle of aspirin and rescue his pug dog. His hatred of women is equal only to his love of YELLING.
He hates everything. He’s the atheist equivalent of a fundie.
“You might say you think women are people, but based solely on how you’ve behaved and what you’ve chosen to write here on Manboobz, I don’t think you really understand that anyone other than yourself is a person.”
This seems to be the key. It’s not so much that Brandon is sexist, specifically, he’s just too narcisstic to really grasp the concept of anyone else’s humanity, male of female.
@Lauralot: I am not an atheist, But I do think your preconception that I was because I linked to a few videos with a diehard atheist is very telling.
@Bee: So now we are at “hatred of women”. Really? Oh right…he disagrees with the core tenets of feminism…he must be a woman hater. If feminists do anything consistently they certainly do well with the personal attacks
@Kristin: Yes, my family and friends aren’t even real people…they are completely made up of energy and they can pass through solid materials. And when I walk down the street and accidently bump into someone, It’s not really a someone…but a random object the patriarchy put in my way.
Seriously, besides the mocking…do you have any specifics or are you just going to talk in generalities.
@Pecunium: Californian? You have got to be kidding me. I am talking about ethical, moral and religious labels not labels like “I live in L.A”.
The guy who does The Amazing Atheist also has videos on That Guy With The Glasses. I don’t care for his stuff there either.
@Brandon
Regarding fashion, do you seriously not see the beauty in any of the photos on this Flickr account?
Pecunium:
We clearly know different Catholics. And different vets, for that matter.
SPJ is really the decisive factor for me, though.
Hm, well, it’s less his disagreement with feminism and its tenets that made me type that he hates women, and more his palpable anger toward women. And his inability to consider a woman’s point of view without automatically reacting in opposition to it. And his default position steeped in MRM platitudes. And his obvious hatred of women. But yeah … personal attacks, whatever.
It’s like someone created a computer virus that just mimics oppositional personality disorder and trolls posts.
@Bee: He was refuting points about that dimwit evebitfirst. It wasn’t anger towards women it was anger towards that woman’s retarded man hating post and her stupidity. Not women are stupid…this one individual person is stupid and it doesn’t matter if that person has a penis or a vagina between their legs.
It;s the same shit…you say he is giving out platitudes and he hates women. Yet you point to NO example of platitudes or any quote he makes that is anti woman. In fact, I see it completely different. He is attacking feminism and feminists while standing up for women by claiming that the core tenets of feminism are actually insulting to women.